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I have made my interpretation public; and therefore it is no longer private. It is also faithful.
But I think that you are simply not understanding what I am saying about it.
If I were you therefore, I would pray for understanding and go back and read what I have posted to you.
101G
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we know that, because it's the same Spirit, this is the numerical difference of the "SAME SORT" that G243 allos describe, and G3313 μέρος meros confirms. BINGO. not two person nor three, no, only ONE person "shared".
that's the beauity of "Diversified Oneness". this is the only doctrine that explane how God dwells in eternity, and at the same time in NATURAL flesh and blood body to die from, and now in a resurrected glorified body.
"Share" vs "separation" of person(s).
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101G
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I know exacitly what you're saying, and it flawed. and by making it public, is just private doctrine that is now publicly flawed. and here's why, YOU HAVE NO SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT YOUR BELIEF. it[s just that simple, now if you do post them.
look and listen, I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but only trying to show you your errors.. ok. now if you have scripture to support what you say then do as I did, break it down step by step and we can discuss each point.
see, what I believe is posted for anyone to examine it, and discuss it.
PICJAG
It is really just so simple, that God the Father incarnated to become a Man,
Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Because He lives one eternal moment (see 2 Peter 3:8) and then descends to be incarnated as the Son.
And, that when Jesus died on the Cross, He released His Spirit (the Father, even the Holy Ghost) back to the Father (Luke 23:46).
So then, the same eternal Spirit dwelleth side-by-side in eternity; because the Holy Ghost ascended to once again be outside of time (see Ephesians 4:10).
And the Father also, when He descended, did not cease to dwell in eternity. So then, the Spirit of Jesus, being the Father, was released back to the Father to dwell in eternity beside the Father.
Jhn 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2, The same was in the beginning with God.
Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Because He lives one eternal moment (see 2 Peter 3:8) and then descends to be incarnated as the Son.
And, that when Jesus died on the Cross, He released His Spirit (the Father, even the Holy Ghost) back to the Father (Luke 23:46).
So then, the same eternal Spirit dwelleth side-by-side in eternity; because the Holy Ghost ascended to once again be outside of time (see Ephesians 4:10).
And the Father also, when He descended, did not cease to dwell in eternity. So then, the Spirit of Jesus, being the Father, was released back to the Father to dwell in eternity beside the Father.
Jhn 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2, The same was in the beginning with God.
101G
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ok, let's take this one step at a time.
#1. you said, "God the Father incarnated to become a Man".
ok, was this all of God in body? you said, no, ok, so what of God was in that Body?
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God is outside of time; and descended to be a Man who dwelt in the confines of the time domain.
Being outside of time, in the descending He did not cease to be outside of time.
He both went forward to incarnate as the Son and also stayed back dwelling in eternity to rule over everything that needed ruling over.
If God were subject to time, He would have ceased to be where He was before. But since where He was before is eternity, when He went forward to incarnate as the Son, He did not cease to dwell in eternity. Because the nature of a being who dwells in an eternal state is that He will always be in an eternal state. Dwelling in eternity as an eternal being, He cannot cease to exist in eternity when He goes forward to incarnate as the Son.
He therefore lived one eternal moment and then incarnated; while His eternal position (as the "Father") remains unchanged.
Being outside of time, in the descending He did not cease to be outside of time.
He both went forward to incarnate as the Son and also stayed back dwelling in eternity to rule over everything that needed ruling over.
If God were subject to time, He would have ceased to be where He was before. But since where He was before is eternity, when He went forward to incarnate as the Son, He did not cease to dwell in eternity. Because the nature of a being who dwells in an eternal state is that He will always be in an eternal state. Dwelling in eternity as an eternal being, He cannot cease to exist in eternity when He goes forward to incarnate as the Son.
He therefore lived one eternal moment and then incarnated; while His eternal position (as the "Father") remains unchanged.
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101G
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well that want fly, if God is outside of time as well as in time how did he do that and be "ALL of HIM" in TWO PLACES. because at the same time in eternity he is in heaven, but at the same time, in time talking to Nicodemus in at the same time on earth. but you have a problem, because if ALL of God was in the body on earth, all of God was G2758 κενόω kenoo while in that body. according to Phil 2:7
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756
now if All of God was neutralize on Earth and All of God was entact in heaven or eternity then you have a contridiction. because if you have all of God in Eterinity, and all of God neutralize that's a contridiction. either God is dwelling in eternity with all his powers, or else he is not God, so what you need to do is explain how God is dwelling in eternity and at the same time as ALL of God neutralize
looking to hear from you.
PICJAG
101G
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yes, I know this, but the discussion is "How is Jesus the Father as well as the Son" at the same time.
that the elephant in the room.
PICJAG
I'm certain that He knows the answer to that question.
Job 33:13, Why dost thou strive against him? for he giveth not account of any of his matters.
Luk 1:37, For with God nothing shall be impossible.
It is no contradiction. Certain things in God are to be accepted on faith; because a finite human mind cannot comprehend them. See Romans 11:33-36, Isaiah 55:9.
I think also that you are not reading and thinking on everything that I am saying. Because I have already answered how this is not a contradiction.
101G
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see this is what I'm speaking of, don't argue from ignorance, the bible tells us how he did it.
see, that only a cop out, or a straw man argument, which has nothing to do with what we're discussing. listen, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." (understand, God has shown it to me). so I cannot buy what you're saying.
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
see you have no excuse. but you cannot see. you don't have an answer to the question I asked, because it have not been revealed unto you. but the answer is right there in the bible as God just said, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."
that's why you cannot answer the question. it's have NOT been shown unto you. and still, it's right in the bible, right in the scriptures, but you cannot see it because of years of being blinded by false doctrine. LOOK AGAIN, no put down, I was in the same boat myself, ... rebelling againist God, and didn't even know it. oh how close to danger I was in untill I gave up, surrendered. and then God was able to teach me, and yes it was rough for a while because of that false doctrine I had been taught all my life. but God is greater than me and the false doctrine I had learned. so I learned by REVELATION, first, then went to the books to get it not only in my spirit, in my mind, the re-newing of my mind.
no you have not. God is one, not a switch that is turn on or off, God is. "when you said, "All of God was in that body", I knew you haven't read Phil 2:7 because if you did you would have never made that statement without cover. I know I wouldn't.
see JBF, I been down this road you're going, but sometime as us OLD folk say, until you put your nose in it then and only then you'll know what it is. some people you can tell the truth to them, some you have to walk them into the truth.
so read Phil 2:6 and 7 & 8 and understand how God "shared", or diversified himself in flesh as the "EQUAL" to himself.
oh my, what the revelation to be be made. PICJAG.
I have, right here:
True Trinity.
You just need to take the time to understand.
However, I think that because you have your very own dogma, you refuse to understand what I am telling you.
It is almost like the dogma that you espouse is an idol in your heart.
Here I will go with something that @amadeus has said:
That sometimes in order to come to the proper conclusions, you have to empty yourself of those old things that get in the way.
Here, if you have built gold, sliver, and precious gems upon the solid foundation of Jesus Christ, it is not wise to tear down what you have built. But if you have built upon that foundation wood, hay, stubble, tearing down is the thing to do; before you will be able to build what is right and proper on the same foundation:
Jer 1:10, See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
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