True Trinity.

[justbyfaith]

JBF you're not look for any common ground, but lost in delusion of false doctrine. no put down just observation.

A false one at that.

The virgin birth is sound doctrine that is denied by heretics.

 

[justbyfaith]

Time to pray.

Abba, I ask in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth that you open @101G's eyes to see the truth. Amen.

 

[101G]

In the Last Adam, it was in Mary's fillopian tubes.

another ERROR on your part, the flesh was conceived in the "womb", and not in the fillopian tubes. read the bible, Luke 1:30 "And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God."
Luke 1:31 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS."
NOT, and I say again NOT in the fillopian tubes. are you reading your bible?

PICJAG.

 

[justbyfaith]

another ERROR on your part, the flesh was conceived in the "womb", and not in the fillopian tubes. read the bible, Luke 1:30 "And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God."
Luke 1:31 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS."
NOT, and I say again NOT in the fillopian tubes. are you reading your bible?

PICJAG.

Yes, I suppose you need a lesson in biology.

The egg goes down from the fillopian tubes into the womb where conception takes place.

Therefore there is no contradiction.

 

[101G]

Time to pray.

Abba, I ask in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth that you open @101G's eyes to see the truth. Amen.

there is nothing wrong with prayer, but instead of asking God to open someone else eyes, you might need to ask for your eyes to be open. now your NEXT ERROR,

Yes, I suppose you need a lesson in biology.
The egg goes down from the fillopian tubes into the womb where conception takes place

Conception is the time when sperm travels up through the vagina, into the uterus, and fertilizes an egg found in the fallopian tube

Fertilization takes place in the fallopian tubes, which connect the ovaries to the uterus. Fertilization happens when a sperm cell successfully meets an egg cell in the fallopian tube.

Luke 1:31 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS."

you might want to check up on your biology.

PICJAG

 

[justbyfaith]

there is nothing wrong with prayer, but instead of asking God to open someone else eyes, you might need to ask for your eyes to be open.

I do that every time that I open up the word of the Lord.

Conception is the time when sperm travels up through the vagina, into the uterus, and fertilizes an egg found in the fallopian tube

Fertilization takes place in the fallopian tubes, which connect the ovaries to the uterus. Fertilization happens when a sperm cell successfully meets an egg cell in the fallopian tube.

Luke 1:31 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS."

you might want to check up on your biology.

A major aspect of conception takes place when the zygote (the sperm and the egg combined into one cell) attaches itself to the uterine wall.

 

[101G]

I do that every time that I open up the word of the Lord.



A major aspect of conception takes place when the zygote (the sperm and the egg combined into one cell) attaches itself to the uterine wall.

JBF, all of that has nothing to do with the Lord Jesus, he was not born. only came in a body.
Now the Lord Jesus is never born, listen, 1 Corinthians 10:1 "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;"
1 Corinthians 10:2 "And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;"
1 Corinthians 10:3 "And did all eat the same spiritual meat;"
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."

so JBF, is the ROCK, who is Christ was he born? or concieved? answer that.

PICJAG.

 

[justbyfaith]

John 3:16 declares that He was begotten.

As a (diversified) Oneness Pentecostal, do you not believe that He was begotten in Luke 1:35 rather than through some eternal mirror being created?

 

[101G]

John 3:16 declares that He was begotten.

As a (diversified) Oneness Pentecostal, do you not believe that He was begotten in Luke 1:35 rather than via some eternal mirror being created?

you know nothing do you?, listen, 1 Corinthians 4:15 "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel." do you understand now?

or, 1 Timothy 1:2 "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord."

did Paul beget Timothy.... the NATURAL WAY? see your error... my God.

NOW, back to,
1 Corinthians 10:1 "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;"
1 Corinthians 10:2 "And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;"
1 Corinthians 10:3 "And did all eat the same spiritual meat;"
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."

so JBF, is the ROCK, who is Christ was he born? or concieved? answer that please.

PICJAG

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes He was in fact conceived and then born as a human being (Matthew 1:20, Luke 1:35).

 

[101G]

Yes He was in fact conceived and then born as a human being (Matthew 1:20, Luke 1:35).

if you say the Father and the Son is the SAME person, the Spirit then you're saying God almighty was born.

understand something, the "ROCK" is God himself......

PICJAG.

 

[justbyfaith]

if you say the Father and the Son is the SAME person, the Spirit then you're saying God almighty was born.

understand something, the "ROCK" is God himself......

PICJAG.

Yes, He was born. Even made.

Rom 1:3 (NKJV), concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,

Rom 1:3 (kjv), Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Isa 45:11, Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

 

[101G]

Yes, He was born. Even made.

Rom 1:3 (NKJV), concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,

Rom 1:3 (kjv), Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Isa 45:11, Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

Get the scripture Right, Romans 1:3 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;"
ok, what was "MADE", spirit or flesh... lol.

Isaiah 45:11 "Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me."..... and ?

you need to do better than that.

NOW THE "ROCK", Deuteronomy 32:3 "Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God."
Deuteronomy 32:4 "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he."

Yes Jesus is the ROCK, the Spirit of the OLD TESTAMENT, who is never born, nor concieved... lol. my, my, my. you see JBF, your doctrine is flawed as two left shoes.

before we contuine any futher, re-read my posts, and then come back.

PICJAG.

 

[justbyfaith]

Do better than what?

Jehovah has a Maker.

What about that don't you understand?

 

[justbyfaith]

before we continue any further, re-read my posts, and then come back.

I would suggest you do the same with mine.

 

[Randy Kluth]

My goal is to find common ground with Oneness Pentecostals whom I have a heart for and to use language in explaining the Trinity that will be acceptable to them concerning specific verses that they have been taught concerning the Oneness of our God. I also seek to deal with the heresy of Tritheism which is on the other end of the spectrum.

That's a noble cause. Go with God!

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Time to pray.

You have made several points in your post, but I would like to add one of mine if I am not too late in doing so.

Adam was filled with the Spirit of God when he was formed.

Jesus, Adam with another name, came back to fulfill what He did not do in the garden and that was to bring into the world people with the Spirit of God in them.

Father, Son, Holy Ghost and these three are one and the same.

 

[Cooper]

In support of justbyfaith, nobody can be accused of Modalism if they attribute the omnipresent God; the Holy Spirit, our Heavenly Father, and God with us here on earth in the form of man, as One coexisting God.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.

Jehovah has a Maker.

What about that don't you understand?

well I don't believe in any God name Jehovah, first of all. I believe in the ONE TRUE GOD, who is JESUS "ONLY". now if your Jehovah have a God/maker then that's on you.


and reading your posts, and I have, but you say one thing out the side of your mouth, and then another thing out the other side of your mouth, that confusion, and God is not the author of confusion. as our brother James by the Holy Ghost said,
James 3:10 "Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be."
James 3:11 "Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?"
James 3:12 "Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh."

see JBF, your statements about what you believe have no consistency to them. if you go back over anything I have posted, you will find consistency, after consistency the same thing over and over, NEVER CHANGING, the same theme.

you say the Father and the son, are the same and yet you say your Jehovah, (whom many calls their father), have a "MAKER", and JESUS, who is Lord, made all things, John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24, see the point? so what you say don't make any sense. you say the Father and the Son are the same yet one have a maker?........ no, no, no.

see, I have only ONE "GOD", and this one GOD is a "Diversity" of himself "shared" in flesh, hence his plurality as the ONLY H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem'). who holds the titles "Father" and "Son" at the same time because of his diversity. understand, the Greek term G243 Allos clearly certified this plurality of "ONE", and he do it by "sharing" himself in in flesh. which you cannot in your own belief explain. which means your doctrine is NOT certified by the scriptures. for all doctrine must be bible based.

Diversified Oneness is bible based, and bible confirmed. and no, Diversified Oneness is not oneness pentecostal. see, I read your post. that how I can reprove your statements. if one wants to confirm, or reject a doctrine, just listen to what it says. one then can tell if a person is arguing from scripture, or arguing from ignorance. it will show, because the scriptures will confirm scriptures, but scriptures will reject ignorance. for light will cast out darkness.

if one's doctrine is from God, by his word, meaning the scriptures, it can be tested and stand the test of time. for the scriptures are not changing.

I have see men doctrine change, over, and over and if it changes only once then it was not of God. and I have see all the doctrine out there change, why? because they are not from God. it makes no difference if one modify, still it's a change. and God word change NOT.

so when I hear statements Like, "Both the same, but yet one is the maker of the other", or "the Lord, and the LORD ar interchangable", or the best one yet, "not threee Gods, but one God, and three persons". that's a sure sign of a false doctrine.

what I speak, anyone can examine it, and it's not changing, the truth don't change. now if someone just don't understand something that different, they can alway "change" or "RE-NEW" their minds. repentance is what God ask for if one is going in the wrong direction.

now as you prayed for me LIKEWISE I pray, and been praying for all of us, not just you and I only, but for all mankind that God open all of our eyes to the "TRUTH", let his "WILL"/TRUTH be KNOWN.

with that, may the Lord JESUS be merciful to all of us. and as MEDIATOR, step in. amen

PICJAG

 

[101G]

You have made several points in your post, but I would like to add one of mine if I am not too late in doing so.

Adam was filled with the Spirit of God when he was formed.

Jesus, Adam with another name, came back to fulfill what He did not do in the garden and that was to bring into the world people with the Spirit of God in them.

Father, Son, Holy Ghost and these three are one and the same.

the Holy Spirit, our Heavenly Father, and God with us here on earth in the form of man, as One coexisting God.

first thanks for the reply, not sying that either of you are right or wrong, but consider this. if all three are the same why be separate?

before you answer, just think on this for a while. ...... then re-read, if all three are the same why be separate?

PICJAG