Fear God or Presume acceptance
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What for me is profound is God's word springing from our hearts.
The seed and the sower, God's word planted in us. As it grows and works, it produces testimony, emphasis, God's word springing forth to bless others.
God does not force or command this, it is the Kingdom of heaven at work. And when it happens we understand, words become real.
Jesus said the cross will draw all men to Him. Look at history and the power of this love in action. One man, a few disciples, easily missed, changed the world. But it must mean some deep theological mystery. Look at what's happened, the cross became history.
When God moves things become crystal clear. God bless you
The seed and the sower, God's word planted in us. As it grows and works, it produces testimony, emphasis, God's word springing forth to bless others.
God does not force or command this, it is the Kingdom of heaven at work. And when it happens we understand, words become real.
Jesus said the cross will draw all men to Him. Look at history and the power of this love in action. One man, a few disciples, easily missed, changed the world. But it must mean some deep theological mystery. Look at what's happened, the cross became history.
When God moves things become crystal clear. God bless you
What I have seen in my life I dismiss I enter God's throne room. I forget or do not notice I am clean and He can use me. No not me, I have nothing, come from nowhere and am not special.
In our weakness we do not see the treasure, because that is His work. I need to be better at picking up signals and waiting for the Lord's time.
Our expectations are often not eternal, just fluid, as it goes. But He wants us to go deeper, to know Him more and others, and share His will, joy and praise. He is such a great King, Praise His name, amen
Eternally Grateful
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Reminds me of the old footprints in the sand picture I used to have hanging
where it seems god left us in our most trying moments, only to find out it was at those times God carried us
I have a slightly different version of Footprints . . .
". . . and then I asked the Lord, Those times, I only saw one set of footsteps? And He looked at me, one eyebrow lifted, Um, where did you see Two sets of footprints??"
Much love!
Where do you get this from??? He even tried to explain that if you get in an airplane which flies you across the country, it would be ridiculous to claim or boast that you did the flying when it was the plane that did the flying. And yet there you are, in Australia! But you didnt fly, the plane flew. But because you were IN the plane, you went where the plane went.
It is impossible for the man to make himself any clearer and yet you still say that when he says being in Christ/abiding/walking in Him is the grace and power to not sin, you say that he is saying we have to finish it ourselves...how on earth does the grace and power of God to walk as Jesus walked become epi saying you must finish it yourself??
Epi: I'm getting on a plane that will fly me to Italy.
You: Are you boasting that you can fly??!!
Sheesh...
CharismaticLady
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I'm surprised you are saying this to me when you KNOW I credit my walk to having the God of the Universe indwelling me! And E does the same. THAT is what it means to be born again. Some believe they are in theory, but with no changes to their reality. Sheesh! E and I are not clones, but I like a lot of what he says, and he mine. But we don't see eye to eye on everything. I probably never will with anyone, because I don't follow denominations, and don't know if he does or not. I can't recall.
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CharismaticLady
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What was finished was the Old Covenant. We are now under the New Covenant. The Ten Commandments and the law of Moses was the law of sin and death, also called the ministry of death. The New Covenant is called the ministry of the Spirit, or the law of the Spirit of life in Christ. This is when the laws of God are written on our hearts, and go much deeper to the core of iniquity to cleanse us of even the desire to sin.
Romans 8:1-2
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, whoa]">[a] do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
2 Corinthians 3:7-11
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.
We've actually had some good dialog since then, and I've got a lot better understanding of how he thinks of things. So maybe all your derision and stuff can stop now?
There's a lot of what you are saying that actually in my understanding reflects in his views, I think.
being in Christ/abiding/walking in Him is the grace and power to not sin, you say that he is saying we have to finish it ourselves..
This is actually stringing two different things together, one being 'the race towards salvation' which you must finish. The other being an elevated state of grace that lifts you above the normal day to day to accomplish additional works in and through you. The first being more related to building your own character within you, the other being more about Jesus simply living through you.
Now, you can be the better judge than I, I suppose, whether the above reflects @Episkopos views. Or he may correct me if I'm not understanding. Like I said, we've been having much better discussion happily! I'm sure there is more he can say to fill in my understanding.
OK now?
What would happen if you did not forgive someone their offense against you? Do you not then remain unforgiven in your own trespass? And then what happens? If you continue to not forgive? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.
Much love!
CharismaticLady
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I'm not going to test God, nor teach others to believe something contrary to His word. Matthew 6:14-15 is quite clear. No sinners will enter heaven. Revelation 22:11
I am not ridiculing or mocking you, so maybe your accusation of derision can stop now.
Well, it seems to me that if you didn't forgive someone, then you would not be forgiven, and remaining unforgiven would result in condemnation. So then it seems to me from your point of view that whether you were to slide back into condemnation and eternal separation from God would be determined by your activity or lack of activity in either forgiving or not forgiving others, making Christ one rung of the ladder, and your willingness and continuance to forgive another rung of that ladder.
I don't see how it would make sense any other way.
However, justification in Christ as I see it is based entirely on His obedience per Romans 5, not on mine. The part I do is to trust in what He did.
Much love!
Whomever wishes to read the posts can take away their own conclusions.
Epi: I'm getting on a plane that will fly me to Italy.
You: Are you boasting that you can fly??!!
Sheesh...
Call it whatever you want. Did you have any other response, or was that it?
CharismaticLady
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I am very conscious of that command, and do not allow myself the luxury of holding grudges, or let any root of bitterness take hold. You do whatever you believe, and hopefully you won't believe a lie. If you don't believe this command, as if it is Old Testament, then go ahead and believe that unforgiveness is not hate.
1 John 3:
He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
CharismaticLady
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Just noticed this part. Wow! If you don't believe in obedience to Christ, then how can you say you love Him. Or has love nothing to do with it, just your version of faith.
No. That was my only response to your caterwauling, once again, that you were being treated poorly.
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