Where in the bible does it say I need to use it

[bbyrd009]

I'd much rather take the option:
A person listens first and foremost to God. Have Him guide their understanding of scripture & what is True. All other human teachers and everything else comes in later.

i wish i could agree, but Scripture suggests otherwise, if He talks to us again we will die!
so imo we likely seek the scribes that cater to our beliefs
and we can turn Yah into an Englyshe "Lord" and all manner of atrocities

so i would say what you are talking about...would be evidenced by some works imo, actually following Christ's instructions to the 70 and the 12, etc

who actually walks out their front door with nothing and goes to a strange town?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

i wish i could agree, but Scripture suggests otherwise, if He talks to us again we will die!
so imo we likely seek the scribes that cater to our beliefs
and we can turn Yah into an Englyshe "Lord" and all manner of atrocities

so i would say what you are talking about...would be evidenced by some works imo, actually following Christ's instructions to the 70 and the 12, etc

who actually walks out their front door with nothing and goes to a strange town?

I do know people whom do hat, literally and (much more commonly) metaphorically.

As to God talking: a while ago we went over how God doesn't change. He talked to His people in the past, I do indeed believe that continues today.

 

[DNB]

I'm putting a greater emphasis on God guiding directly and not Sola Scriptura.

Oh, I think I got it? You're saying as far as interpretation and edification goes, we rely on God for wisdom and insight. For, a person may have the most profound manuscript in their hand, but if they can't comprehend the meaning of the text, then it may as well be just nonsense to them, as without the right guidance, they will probably bastardize the wisdom behind it. God enlightens us to understand the intent and profundity of Scripture.
If I'm correct, then yes, we're talking about two different things.
My point is simply, God gives the Word first and foremost, and that there are no guidelines and precepts outside of it (Sola Scriptura). But once we receive the Word, He then assists us in various ways with our understanding of it (non Sola Scriptura).

 

[mjrhealth]

Whether you realize or not, you were already taught in Scripture if you were attending Church for some time. That is, you were aware of the criteria for salvation, etc... So that, everything that you know profess, is a byproduct of the your previous exposure to Scripture. You're just ascribing all your thoughts these days, to the Spirit, meanwhile you were already aware of the Old & New Testament outlines.

You still miss the hole picture,

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

He didnt get that from reading the bible. The bible is not God, it is not Christ, it is not Hos word, that position belongs to Christ, the bible was around when the world was formed, neither does it have any life in it, our life is in Christ if you desire it.

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

but you can ignore it all if you must

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

the bible cannot fill you, choose. foolish virgin or your lamp filled.

 

[DNB]

You still miss the hole picture,

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

He didnt get that from reading the bible. The bible is not God, it is not Christ, it is not Hos word, that position belongs to Christ, the bible was around when the world was formed, neither does it have any life in it, our life is in Christ if you desire it.

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

but you can ignore it all if you must

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

the bible cannot fill you, choose. foolish virgin or your lamp filled.

And yet, you quoted Scripture to prove every singly point that you made. Do you see the futility of your argument. 'You missed the whole picture.'

 

[mjrhealth]

And yet, you quoted Scripture to prove every singly point that you made. Do you see the futility of your argument. 'You missed the whole picture.'

No because you wont listen to anything else, Funny how you can talk to a non believer for hrs about God without bringing in the bible but christians wont have anything else.

Something about ears to hear, so few do

I stand at the door knocking but no one is interested in letting Him in

and so teh bible remains an idol that is held in greater esteem than God and Jesus.

 

[kcnalp]

2 Tim 3 All Scripture is God breathed ...

I'll believe Him!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Oh, I think I got it? You're saying as far as interpretation and edification goes, we rely on God for wisdom and insight. For, a person may have the most profound manuscript in their hand, but if they can't comprehend the meaning of the text, then it may as well be just nonsense to them, as without the right guidance, they will probably bastardize the wisdom behind it. God enlightens us to understand the intent and profundity of Scripture.

The above is a statement of Truth.

If I'm correct, then yes, we're talking about two different things.

Actually not. The Spirit comes first in importance, not scripture.

My point is simply, God gives the Word first and foremost, and that there are no guidelines and precepts outside of it (Sola Scriptura). But once we receive the Word, He then assists us in various ways with our understanding of it (non Sola Scriptura).

Totally disagree with you there.

 

[FHII]

Actually not. The Spirit comes first in importance, not scripture.

I am not of the opinion that one is more important than the other. But consider that 1 John 4:1 says we aren't to believe all spirits but to try them. How are you to try them? John goes on to give a few ways, and one of those ways was to hear the Apostles (verse 6). This is how you discern the spirit of Truth from error.

If one (and I am not saying you are one of them) doesn't believe the scriptures are the Word of God, then this is meaningless to you. Again, I am speaking in general, not directing it towards anyone in particular.

But my point is, how do we try the spirits? How do we know the spirit is that Holy Spirit? Are we to use our own judgment? That's not going to work out very well.

Furthermore, I do not believe the Holy Spirit is ever going to disagree with the scriptures.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I am not of the opinion that one is more important than the other. But consider that 1 John 4:1 says we aren't to believe all spirits but to try them. How are you to try them? John goes on to give a few ways, and one of those ways was to hear the Apostles (verse 6). This is how you discern the spirit of Truth from error.

If one (and I am not saying you are one of them) doesn't believe the scriptures are the Word of God, then this is meaningless to you. Again, I am speaking in general, not directing it towards anyone in particular.

But my point is, how do we try the spirits? How do we know the spirit is that Holy Spirit? Are we to use our own judgment? That's not going to work out very well.

Furthermore, I do not believe the Holy Spirit is ever going to disagree with the scriptures.

There is a lot of chicken & egg going on here. :)
The Spirit testifies of the Truthfullness of scripture, scripture is understood through the Spirit and testifies of the Spirit.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

ha well Barney i wouldnt have to say a word, all i would have to do is Quote Scripture to make the point? I mean i could fill the page,
if you then, being evil
you do not know what spirit you are of
on and on. Peter denied Christ three times? I mean pls
reading the Bible with your emotions will blind you to truth imo

Yes Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times but Peter repented and Jesus forgave him. I hear that arrogance in your post, that's what Peter displayed when he told Jesus arrogantly he would never leave him when Jesus said that when he is arrested his disciples would scatter.

Matthew 26: 31-35 :Then Jesus said to them: “All of you will be stumbled in connection with me on this night, for it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered about.’ 32 But after I have been raised up, I will go ahead of you into Galʹi·lee.” 33. But Peter, in response, said to him: “Although all the others are stumbled in connection with you, I will never be stumbled!” 34 Jesus said to him: “Truly I say to you, on this night, before a rooster crows, you will disown me three times.” 35 Peter said to him: “Even if I should have to die with you, I will by no means disown you.” All the other disciples also said the same thing.

 

[DNB]

No because you wont listen to anything else, Funny how you can talk to a non believer for hrs about God without bringing in the bible but christians wont have anything else.

Something about ears to hear, so few do

I stand at the door knocking but no one is interested in letting Him in

and so teh bible remains an idol that is held in greater esteem than God and Jesus.

No, we revere it as the means that God used to make Himself and His Word, known. ..and the Word was God!

 

[marks]

The only thing God ever sent down was His Spirit.

Really?

Prove it.

 

[marks]

None of the apostles fit the bill, so you can't go believing what they say to be true because they said it.

I'd enjoy for you to prove this one too!

 

[bbyrd009]

I hear that arrogance in your post

you do?

ha well Barney i wouldnt have to say a word, all i would have to do is Quote Scripture to make the point? I mean i could fill the page,
if you then, being evil
you do not know what spirit you are of
on and on. Peter denied Christ three times? I mean pls
reading the Bible with your emotions will blind you to truth imo

Yes Jesus told Peter he would deny him three times but Peter repented and Jesus forgave him.

i'm fam with the brochure, Barney, but that does not moot the point wadr

 

[DNB]

The above is a statement of Truth.

Actually not. The Spirit comes first in importance, not scripture.

Totally disagree with you there.

Ok, agree to disagree! Thanks!

 

[mjrhealth]

No, we revere it as the means that God used to make Himself, and His Word known. ..and the Word was God!

Yes Jesus. not the bible. In fact God and Jesus still to this day make them selves known to people without it. It is a "limitation" you and Christianity have put on them its is not them who are limited by "IT",

 

[marks]

The words of Jesus are different as he was wholly in line with God,

How would you have any idea about this? I posit that you CANNOT know. You were not there. And do you personally know all about God and all about Jesus that you can simply declare from your own observations and knowledge - remember, you don't get to use the Bible - that Jesus was wholly in line with God? How can you possibly know this?

You are discrediting your sole evidence, other than your own personal knowledge. And what would make you a credible witness?

I can't imagine your answer to these things.

Much love, and curiousity!

 

[marks]

Yes, of course. This is the crap forum, isn't it?

Some do make it that way.

Makes me wonder why . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

I am not of the opinion that one is more important than the other. But consider that 1 John 4:1 says we aren't to believe all spirits but to try them. How are you to try them? John goes on to give a few ways, and one of those ways was to hear the Apostles (verse 6). This is how you discern the spirit of Truth from error.

If one (and I am not saying you are one of them) doesn't believe the scriptures are the Word of God, then this is meaningless to you. Again, I am speaking in general, not directing it towards anyone in particular.

But my point is, how do we try the spirits? How do we know the spirit is that Holy Spirit? Are we to use our own judgment? That's not going to work out very well.

Furthermore, I do not believe the Holy Spirit is ever going to disagree with the scriptures.

Yet so many on here quote the bible and do disagree with God. The Holy Spirit is not bound by the bible, this bit,

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.