entire sanctification is an obtainable goal.

[FollowHim]

? For instance, (in Scripture), ..... (the text/ paragraph) .....

and I believe this is true as written in Scripture >

Any specific references/ the texts/paragraphs available ?

7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up with it and choked the plants.
Luke 8:7

14 The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature.
Luke 8:14

10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall,
11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:10-11

8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Gal 6:8

 

[Joseph77]

.... for those who please God, more and more daily sanctification ?

 

[FollowHim]

So I tell you what God promised to give all his children

And you ask me what kind of Pipe dream what?

Jesus walked with them for 3 years because he had to change their mindset. And help them to understand, He was getting ready to send them into the world on their own with the HS

But what this has to do with me recieveing eternal life based on My faith? Can you explain?

We do not realise Jesus is Christ over night. And the cost and commitment this leads to can be too high for some while other walk on.
The idea that at one point a decision is made, an eternal transition takes place that can never be reversed does not match what people live and find. The seed and the sower, a truth and reality planted and growing in our souls, which is always at risk as we walk, if we kill it and walk away.

Clearly many do, and the world is full of ex-believers of one sort or another. Even believers claiming to know Jesus and want to uproot and discourage others who walk and listen to Jesus is very common also. So the instant making of a believer and instant salvation is for the birds.
God bless you

I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26:20

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We do not realise Jesus is Christ over night. And the cost and commitment this leads to can be too high for some while other walk on.
The idea that at one point a decision is made, an eternal transition takes place that can never be reversed does not match what people live and find. The seed and the sower, a truth and reality planted and growing in our souls, which is always at risk as we walk, if we kill it and walk away.

Clearly many do, and the world is full of ex-believers of one sort or another. Even believers claiming to know Jesus and want to uproot and discourage others who walk and listen to Jesus is very common also. So the instant making of a believer and instant salvation is for the birds.
God bless you

I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26:20

I do not know why you can’t see it. I have seen it multiple times as have so many

your right. Faith does not come overnight. We may never know how long god worked on a persons heart by personal enlightening teaching and conviction and how many people he used to try to share his word through their own faith or speaking the Bible to them

but what we do know is when a person repents and has true living faith a change happens. A change that can only be explained by a faith in God and the power given to them by Gods spirit restoring them to life

 

[Timtofly]

Ephesians 1:3-14
3 Praised be Adonai, Father of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, who in the Messiah has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in heaven.
4 In the Messiah he chose us in love before the creation of the universe to be holy and without defect in his presence.
5 He determined in advance that through Yeshua the Messiah we would be his sons — in keeping with his pleasure and purpose —
6 so that we would bring him praise commensurate with the glory of the grace he gave us through the Beloved One.
7 In union with him, through the shedding of his blood, we are set free — our sins are forgiven; this accords with the wealth of the grace
8 he has lavished on us. In all his wisdom and insight
9 he has made known to us his secret plan, which by his own will he designed beforehand in connection with the Messiah
10 and will put into effect when the time is ripe — his plan to place everything in heaven and on earth under the Messiah’s headship.

Here is why we are sealed since conception. God is the one who forms each one in the womb. Since all these verse above declare that before union with Christ, we are sealed, as all are in the Lamb's book of life.

The verses below are after redemption, union in Christ:

11 Also in union with him we were given an inheritance, we who were picked in advance according to the purpose of the One who effects everything in keeping with the decision of his will,
12 so that we who earlier had put our hope in the Messiah would bring him praise commensurate with his glory.
13 Furthermore, you who heard the message of the truth, the Good News offering you deliverance, and put your trust in the Messiah were sealed by him with the promised Ruach HaKodesh,
14 who guarantees our inheritance until we come into possession of it and thus bring him praise commensurate with his glory.


The Calvinist view is that only those in union with Christ have all of the above and only them. This is now the mystery revealed. Satan wanted us to think it was only that way, and John Calvin unconsciously set in motion a doctrine that would turn many from the truth, and accept a strong delusion for Satan's own desire. Saying that God does not save the whole world is the lie and deception of Satan himself. Just like in Job, God allowed Satan to wound the church and give the church boils and pain just like God allowed Job to experience.

God says all were sealed since birth by the Holy Spirit. Because those in union were sealed then, not on the day they turned from sin and destruction. It is not our choice it was God’s choice before we were born of flesh which is the first birth. Being born again, we accept that seal already there.

 

[Joseph77]

In Ephesians 2 it is written that ALL OF US were once "sons of disobedience" under the prince of the power of the air (the devil).

Here is why we are sealed since conception. God is the one who forms each one in the womb. Since all these verse above declare that before union with Christ, we are sealed, as all are in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Timtofly]

In Ephesians 2 it is written that ALL OF US were once "sons of disobedience" under the prince of the power of the air (the devil).

One cannot serve two masters....

 

[Joseph77]

One cannot serve two masters....

And how did, the Ekklesia,

stop serving the prince of the power of the air, the devil, AS GOD SAYS THEY ALL DID,
to start serving the One True God , and be born again, Ekklesia, instead of sons of disobedience with all the rest of the world (that still is, on this forum also, if not born again yet) ....

 

[Timtofly]

And how did, the Ekklesia,

stop serving the prince of the power of the air, the devil, AS GOD SAYS THEY ALL DID,
to start serving the One True God , and be born again, Ekklesia, instead of sons of disobedience with all the rest of the world (that still is, on this forum also, if not born again yet) ....

1 Thessalonians 1:9
"and how you turned to God from idols, to serve the true God, the one who is alive"

 

[Joseph77]

1 Thessalonians 1:9
"and how you turned to God from idols, to serve the true God, the one who is alive"

See - they once, like ourselves, were sons of disobedience,
and turned to God from idols, to serve the true God, the One who is ALIVE !

Not always as something that was posted earlier....

 

[Paul Christensen]

I do believe that Galatians 3:10 tells us that if you are going to be justified through law-keeping, you are required to keep the whole law perfectly from conception to eternity. The only other way in (really, the only way in) is to believe in what Jesus did for you on the Cross, to receive the divine exchange that is offered to you by the Lord, and to receive Christ into your heart with true repentance.

True.

Actually, Jude 1:3-4 speaks of those who are predestinated to hell; for their condemnation was marked out long ago.

This is because of God's foreknowledge - that He knows of every single person who has and will put their faith either in the Messiah to come (OT) or in Jesus Christ (NT). Therefore God did not predetermine who was going to be saved or not.
This is where I depart from extreme Calvinism. The invitation has to be open to all, to comply with God's fairness and justice. It would not be just for Him to withhold salvation to anyone who accepts His invitation to turn to Christ. But He is just, and when unconverted sinners stand before God it will be clear that they were given the invitation, but refused it, and therefore not God's fault that they have to bear their own penalty for sin. But our names are written in the book of life before the foundation of the world, because God knows every person who has accepted His invitation for salvation through Christ in advance. He knew before the world was even created that one day, you were going to say "yes" to Jesus, and He wrote your name in the book of life in the most indelible ink that cannot be erased.

 

[FollowHim]

I do not know why you can’t see it. I have seen it multiple times as have so many

your right. Faith does not come overnight. We may never know how long god worked on a persons heart by personal enlightening teaching and conviction and how many people he used to try to share his word through their own faith or speaking the Bible to them

but what we do know is when a person repents and has true living faith a change happens. A change that can only be explained by a faith in God and the power given to them by Gods spirit restoring them to life

Unless the believer desires to walk like Jesus and believe Jesus has the ability to empower us to walk like Him while we live in communion with Him, there is no real faith present.

Believing we have a pass to sin and live in the world like the world is actually being lost.
There is security in the cross and in Jesus's love and forgiveness, but we need to accept it and walk.

It appears this is something you oppose. So many believe either one is in an instant ticket of salvation or one is a legalist clinging on to self justification. Gods people listen to Jesus, follow Him and know His security in their hearts.

It always feels safer to believe there is no chance of danger. But that is like saying in life we will never die one is bullet proof. Part of life is knowing we will die one day and we have to be careful because we are fragile and vulnerable. Faith in Christ is no different, every temptation is something that could entrap us, and we need to guard ourselves against such things. It is how we know we have a living relationship when this care and fear exists.

But for some this very vulnerability and fear is unbelief and evil, which unfortunately speaks for itself. They would rather have a dead relationship than the risk of rejection. God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

I do not know why you can’t see it. I have seen it multiple times as have so many

your right. Faith does not come overnight. We may never know how long god worked on a persons heart by personal enlightening teaching and conviction and how many people he used to try to share his word through their own faith or speaking the Bible to them

but what we do know is when a person repents and has true living faith a change happens. A change that can only be explained by a faith in God and the power given to them by Gods spirit restoring them to life

This response is strange. It appears to be claiming to object to what I am sharing yet does not say what about.
Paul is clear some of those who came to faith, left the faith, ruined their faith, followed Satan etc. Either they had never known Jesus or they had known Him and now walked away. If ones theology can not explain how some can rejoice in Christ and then later walk away, the theology is wrong not scripture.

So many parables have servants, believers failing and being rejected. If this is not acceptable, then the faith they hold is not of Jesus. God bless you all.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Unless the believer desires to walk like Jesus and believe Jesus has the ability to empower us to walk like Him while we live in communion with Him, there is no real faith present.

Believing we have a pass to sin and live in the world like the world is actually being lost.
There is security in the cross and in Jesus's love and forgiveness, but we need to accept it and walk.

It appears this is something you oppose. So many believe either one is in an instant ticket of salvation or one is a legalist clinging on to self justification. Gods people listen to Jesus, follow Him and know His security in their hearts.

It always feels safer to believe there is no chance of danger. But that is like saying in life we will never die one is bullet proof. Part of life is knowing we will die one day and we have to be careful because we are fragile and vulnerable. Faith in Christ is no different, every temptation is something that could entrap us, and we need to guard ourselves against such things. It is how we know we have a living relationship when this care and fear exists.

But for some this very vulnerability and fear is unbelief and evil, which unfortunately speaks for itself. They would rather have a dead relationship than the risk of rejection. God bless you

Sadly you have not changed much

I still do not think you understand what motivates a believer to trust God,

it’s gratitude, gratitude and faith motivates us, without that we have nothing

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This response is strange. It appears to be claiming to object to what I am sharing yet does not say what about.
Paul is clear some of those who came to faith, left the faith, ruined their faith, followed Satan etc. Either they had never known Jesus or they had known Him and now walked away. If ones theology can not explain how some can rejoice in Christ and then later walk away, the theology is wrong not scripture.

So many parables have servants, believers failing and being rejected. If this is not acceptable, then the faith they hold is not of Jesus. God bless you all.

After all these years and you still do not get it.
Yeah I doo eject to what your sharing,

because your you appear to reject that god has the power to do and does change people, your still saying it is up to you, your power

If I remember right, you base things on feelings and experience. Well how can experience not show you the great and wonderful power of god who has and will change his children

 

[Joseph77]

QUOTE="FollowHim, post: 728615, member: 8343"]This response is strange. It appears to be claiming to object to what I am sharing yet does not say what about.
Paul is clear some of those who came to faith, left the faith, ruined their faith, followed Satan etc. Either they had never known Jesus or they had known Him and now walked away. If ones theology can not explain how some can rejoice in Christ and then later walk away, the theology is wrong not scripture.

So many parables have servants, believers failing and being rejected. If this is not acceptable, then the faith they hold is not of Jesus. God bless you all.[/QUOTE
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Some people walk away from Jesus willingly, knowingly, following fairy tales.... apparently or openly thinking sinning won't prevent getting to heaven...

 

[Candidus]

Yeah your right

Lev 16 must not be in your Bible did they leave it out? There it talks about atonement for sin made on the day of atonement by the shedding of blood

And if you was questioning the atonement was made for sin

Leviticus 16:34 (NAB): 34 This, then, shall be an everlasting ordinance for you: once a year atonement shall be made for all the sins of the Israelites.” Thus was it done, as the LORD had commanded Moses.

Or how about here

Exodus 29:36 (NKJV): And you shall offer a bull every day as a sin offering for atonement.

I can go on and on but I do not have to. You said no place well I have showed two places

good day

You still have shown zero places where it is stated that the Atonement was a "payment for sins." You need to look harder!

 

[Joseph77]

Revelation 22:11 - Bible Gateway
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation 22:11
Then he added, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy in this book, for the time of their fulfilment is near. Let the wicked man continue his wickedness and the filthy man his filthiness; let the good man continue his good deeds, and the holy man continue in holiness.

 

[FollowHim]

Sadly you have not changed much

I still do not think you understand what motivates a believer to trust God,

it’s gratitude, gratitude and faith motivates us, without that we have nothing

Let me make an observation here.
The elect are driven, enslaved by love, it beats in their heart, it cries out in mourning and grief at sinful man and their lostness and evil.

Deep within our hearts worship of the King of love rises, each day, each waking moment. He is our Lord the one before whom we bow, prostrate, in awe and wonder.

 

[FollowHim]

After all these years and you still do not get it.
Yeah I doo eject to what your sharing,

because your you appear to reject that god has the power to do and does change people, your still saying it is up to you, your power

If I remember right, you base things on feelings and experience. Well how can experience not show you the great and wonderful power of god who has and will change his children

What I share is 100% biblical.
I point out a simple principle, we are called to walk like Jesus.

This is not emotional or speculation, it is Paul's heart. Clearly it must pass you by, which as a believer I must wonder at. The elect listen to and follow Jesus.

Jesus spoke eternal realities, but only the elect listened. God bless you.