Do you belong to "the [true] Church" (1 Tim 3:15)?, if so, how do you prove it?

[Cooper]

Afraid not, it split into various factions as you will know. This is why we need to return to the early Christian Church. The gifts of the Spirit are for all time. We need a revival.

 

[ReChoired]

And what happened to it from the Apostles until SDA came on the scene in 1830/40?

Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7; Revelation 11:2-3; Revelation 12:6, Revelation 12:14; Revelation 13:5; Song Of Solomon 8:5, and the difference between Holy And Most Holy Places (Hebrews 8:1-2; Revelation 2:1, Revelation 3:7-8).

 

[Cooper]

Hi Cooper,

I think I get the gist of what you or trying to say but it leads me to a question: After the Apostles died who cared for "The First church"? Was it still "mightily blessed" after they died?

Curious Mary

Perhaps the CHRISTIAN church should focus only on the teaching of Jesus Christ?

Hopefully that would rule out the cults.

 

[amadeus]

To my mind the ideal church is when people praise and worship God together, whether it is in the singing of hymns, reading the Bible together, testimony, and a word from the pastor that brings glory to God and draws us nearer to the Lord.

"But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel." Psalm 22:3

Does this not also mean the praises of the Church?

 

[Cooper]

"But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel." Psalm 22:3

Does this not also mean the praises of the Church?

David is speaking of the pre-incarnate Jesus.

 

[amadeus]

David is speaking of Jesus.

Yes and who dwells within our heartfelt praises?

 

[quietthinker]

Hi Stranger,

The question has been asked and debated since before the dawn of Christianity and Scripture speaks of apostasy. If you think little ol' Mary is trying to be provocative then surely you must think that men have been provocative for thousands of years.

Mary

Would ask, is little ol' Mary a man?

 

[Cooper]

Yes and who dwells within our heartfelt praises?

The one who dwells in our heartfelt praises is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the I AM.

But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. (Psa 22:3 KJV) The praises of Israel surround the God of Israel. The LORD is my strength, the reason for my song, because he has saved me. I praise and honor the LORD— he is my God and the God of my ancestors. (Exo 15:2 CEV)

They trusted Him and he rescued them. “What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.(Isaiah 1:11) Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)

The sacrifice that honors me is a thankful heart. Obey me, and I, your God, will show my power to save. (Psa 50:23 CEV)

 

[Stranger]

Hi Stranger,

The question has been asked and debated since before the dawn of Christianity and Scripture speaks of apostasy. If you think little ol' Mary is trying to be provocative then surely you must think that men have been provocative for thousands of years.

Mary

Hi provocative Mary

I know you are provocative. You ignore all that I said in a post and center on something you can stir the pot with. If you want to instruct all in what you believe apostasy is and who determines, by all means do so.

To define apostasy you must know the Truth. Hence you may struggle here. That Truth is found in the Bible. Those who have made claim to believe that Truth, and then turn away from that Truth, are apostate.

Stranger

 

[mjrhealth]

No-one is suggesting otherwise.

Than why are "you" demanding we keep the law, what has it to do with Salvation??

 

[ReChoired]

Than why are "you" demanding we keep the law, what has it to do with Salvation??

What do you think "salvation" means? You seem to think it means "keep on truckin'" without any victory over sin (1 John 3:4).

 

[Mike Waters]

Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7; Revelation 11:2-3; Revelation 12:6, Revelation 12:14; Revelation 13:5; Song Of Solomon 8:5, and the difference between Holy And Most Holy Places (Hebrews 8:1-2; Revelation 2:1, Revelation 3:7-8).

I just don't get the point of listing to all those particular scriptures.
Unless, to take just one of them, you are suggesting that, from the beginning of the Matthew 16:18 Church, the SDA denomination existed in the form of the woman that "fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that there they may nourish her a thousand two hundred and threescore days" until she re-emerged in 1830/40.

 

[mjrhealth]

What do you think "salvation" means? You seem to think it means "keep on truckin'" without any victory over sin (1 John 3:4).

Salvation means exactly what it mean, by grace you are saved though faith, it is a gift, that the religious love to pay for.

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Always proudly beating there chests.

 

[brakelite]

Than why are "you" demanding we keep the law, what has it to do with Salvation??

You think you shouldn't obey God?

 

[mjrhealth]

You think you shouldn't obey God?

Obedience, what, to your religion is not that what the issue is. Without Faith a man cannot please God, obedience . what did Jesus say,

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

What has love to do with the law, that you love so much . this bit

Mar 2:22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.

Luk_5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

you mix law and grace , and you get an abomination.

Its not Christ you are being obedient to, but your flesh.

Look at me im better that all the others, is not that your boast, :we are teh only ones who keep teh commandments",

Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

keep condemning your self if you must.

 

[justbyfaith]

Which of the Seventh-day Adventists in this thread, ever said otherwise?

We teach (and constantly state, though strawmen by others (non-Seventh-day Adventist) are continually produced otherwise):

Isa_45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.​

The foundation and position of the Seventh-day Adventist movement.

If you are preaching that a man is not justified by keeping the law, then we are in agreement.

Which is what we have been saying all along.

Then we are in agreement.

If ones lifestyle or habit of life includes an expression of disobedience regarding the commandments of God, what does that have to say regarding ones salvation and profession of repentance?

Of course, being born again of the Holy Spirit will produce in the believer a changed life (2 Corinthians 5:17). Is this a perfect keeping of the law? Or, do we continue to be sinners who are saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ as we seek to be further sanctified by Him?

No-one is suggesting otherwise.

Then we are in agreement.

And even though I do not identify myself as SDA, I agree with the SDA contentions and therefore ought to be included in the fellowship of those who keep the commandments of the Lord. Not perfectly, mind you. But I am saved by grace even though I do not keep the law perfectly. Agree or disagree? If not, why not?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Seeing as I have not found a denomination without flaws in doctrine, I've given up denominations altogether.

It is amazing what you can learn when it is just you and the Holy Spirit.

 

[ReChoired]

Seeing as I have not found a denomination without flaws in doctrine, I've given up denominations altogether.

It is amazing what you can learn when it is just you and the Holy Spirit.

Here is the false theology of the last days. Every separate individual thinks they are the one True Church alone, and they are all right and everyone else is wrong, and thus they seek to 'stand' alone and are subject to none, and not even to the Holy Ghost that leads us together into "one" (John 17):

It will never happen, in that they stand alone, and they are altogether in error. They shall fall.

Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.​

The one True Church is very real, and they 'stand' together with the same "mind" (Philippians 2), "one faith", in "one fold", an invincible army filled with the Almighty Holy Spirit of God, blazing with the glory of God's own perfect character, bought (Leviticus 25:51; 1 Peter 1:18-19) and brought (Leviticus 25:55; 1 Peter 3:18) back to perfection, sinless:

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.​

Son_6:4 Thou art beautiful, O my love, as Tirzah, comely as Jerusalem, terrible as an army with banners.
Son_6:10 Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?​

(sorry looked for a better representation)

 

[mjrhealth]

Here is the false theology of the last days. Every separate individual thinks they are the one True Church alone, and they are all right and everyone else is wrong, and thus they seek to 'stand' alone and are subject to none, and not even to the Holy Ghost that leads us together into "one" (John 17):



It will never happen, in that they stand alone, and they are altogether in error. They shall fall.

Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.​

The one True Church is very real, and they 'stand' together with the same "mind" (Philippians 2), "one faith", in "one fold", an invincible army filled with the Almighty Holy Spirit of God, blazing with the glory of God's own perfect character, bought (Leviticus 25:51; 1 Peter 1:18-19) and brought (Leviticus 25:55; 1 Peter 3:18) back to perfection, sinless:

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.​

Son_6:4 Thou art beautiful, O my love, as Tirzah, comely as Jerusalem, terrible as an army with banners.
Son_6:10 Who is she that looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?​

(sorry looked for a better representation)

See all the religious look for a physical building, but that is no where you will find those who are His, somethin gto do with

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

no you wont find God in Church, we the people are His Church.

1Pe_2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

nothing to do with men and his defense of his religions.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

 

[Cooper]

Seeing as I have not found a denomination without flaws in doctrine, I've given up denominations altogether.

It is amazing what you can learn when it is just you and the Holy Spirit.

Perhaps a true Christian needs to be a Trinitarian?