Who is John talking about.........

[farouk]

It is my calling.. I am a spiritual warrior....it is what I have been in training for all my life!

@Heart2Soul
Ephesians 6 — re. the whole armour of God — is indeed a searching passage! :)

 

[Earburner]

Something else to note is that the Greek word for six is *hex*. So a triple six is probably the most powerful hex. But in English *hex* means the casting of a spell by a witch. At the same time that God sends a strong delusion upon this earth, Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet will cast a spell (through their Satanic miracles) to deceive the world into worshiping them.

And he [the False Prophet] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (Rev 13:13-15)

You are putting too much voo-doo and "religious speak" into it.

The verses you have in red are simple as pie!
The False Prophet is the 2H Beast (USA) making fire come down from heaven in the sight of men, and does it in the sight (presence) of the 10H Beast (EU/Europe).
Saying to them that dwell on the earth that THEY should make an Image to the Beast, of which THEY did. THEY made the United Nations, with the help of the USA.
And he (2H Beast/False Prophet) had power to give (political) life unto the image of the beast (the UN), that the Image of the Beast (the UN) should both speak (legislate international laws) and cause that as many as would not worship (comply with) the Image of the 10H Beast should be killed (made war against).

 

[bbyrd009]

All we have is our personal interpretations, ...disregard those who claim otherwise.

you may believe Jesus died for your sins to appease a God that required sacrifice, or you may not, but you can only really Quote one of them imo. Things are not as they appear there

 

[bbyrd009]

It is my calling.. I am a spiritual warrior....it is what I have been in training for all my life!

and how do you see that manifesting? What or whom will you be fighting, do you think

 

[bbyrd009]

It is my calling.. I am a spiritual warrior....it is what I have been in training for all my life!

yet i tell you the battle is already won
ok

 

[brakelite]

yet i tell you the battle is already won
ok

The battle over ownership of this planet, yes, that is now decided. But what about your battle with yourself? Why wear armour of we aren't called to fight?
KJV Ephesians 6
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

 

[bbyrd009]

Why wear armour of we aren't called to fight?

as defense, so that we will be able to stand?

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand

^

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It is my calling.. I am a spiritual warrior....it is what I have been in training for all my life!

2 Corinthians 10:3-4 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: [4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

makes no sense(imo) this expectation of a future blood bath, war and sword. “Our weapons are not carnal” but the men thinks God returns to fight with carnal weapons?

 

[brakelite]

as defense, so that we will be able to stand?

^

Agreed. Yet we have a sword, which is both defensive and offensive. And that sword is spiritual and our foes are not of this world... Yet indeed being in defensive mode doesn't mean being inactive in the war does it? As VIJ quoted above, the weapons of our warfare do pull down strongholds.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Agreed. Yet we have a sword, which is both defensive and offensive. And that sword is spiritual and our foes are not of this world... Yet indeed being in defensive mode doesn't mean being inactive in the war does it? As VIJ quoted above, the weapons of our warfare do pull down strongholds.

I’m sorry I’m getting confused at what every one believes. you don’t think God is returning with an army following after Him to slay all His enemies with carnal weapons? if our foes are not of this world then neither are His.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yet indeed being in defensive mode doesn't mean being inactive in the war does it?

ah well the implications of pick up your cross suggests that it might, yeh

 

[Heart2Soul]

2 Corinthians 10:3-4 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: [4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

makes no sense(imo) this expectation of a future blood bath, war and sword. “Our weapons are not carnal” but the men thinks God returns to fight with carnal weapons?

this expectation of a future blood bath, war and sword.....Jesus will not even have sword of steel....the sword He carries is the Word that proceeds out of His mouth....and where do you get "this expectation of a future blood bath, war and sword?"

@VictoryinJesus: I appreciate you seeking to challenge me on things I present, however, we need to compare apples to apples....not oranges to watermelons concerning scripture.

If you have time to read through this I would like to know how you interpret this to mean. Thanks.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
And the armies which were in heaven,.... Not the angels, though they are God's host, and are the armies of the heavens; they are in heaven, and dwell there, and follow Christ, attend upon him, and minister to him, and have been sometimes represented by horses and horsemen, 2 Kings 2:11 and they are pure and holy creatures, and will come with Christ to judgment: but this vision refers not to the day of judgment; and besides, the saints are meant, as appears by their habit, for the fine linen, white and clean, is the righteousness of the saints, Revelation 19:8 and the righteousness of angels and saints is not the same. Moreover, these are the same company described in Revelation 17:14. The saints are in a state of warfare, have many enemies to fight with, sin, Satan, and the world; they are enlisted as volunteers under Christ, the Captain of salvation; they are provided with the whole armour of God, and are very numerous, and always more than conquerors through Christ: these are described by the place where they were, "in heaven"; not being glorified saints in heaven; with these indeed Christ will come to judgment, even with all his saints with him; but members of the church militant, said to be in heaven, because that is often called the kingdom of heaven; and because their names are written in heaven, and they are of heavenly extract; they are born from above, and are partakers of the heavenly calling; they belong to heaven, they are citizens of it, and are pressing on to it. And these
followed him; Christ, their Leader and Commander in the exercise of grace, and in the discharge of duty; having gone on in his ways through a train of sufferings, and cleaved unto him, and now attend him; not to assist in fighting, but to add to the glorious and triumphant appearance of their General; and therefore are said to be upon white horses; they had served Christ in his Gospel, which some of them had preached, and all professed, and had maintained the purity of it in doctrine and practice, and now triumphed in Christ, and along with him, riding upon horses of the same colour with his, as being his princes and nobles, and whom he had made kings as well as priests; the former may be signified by their horses; see Judges 5:10 and the latter by their following habit, clothed in fine linen, white and clean; not the horses, but the armies on them; which designs not their inward purity, which was very glorious; nor their outward conversation garments, washed and made white in the blood of the Lamb; but the robe of Christ's righteousness, which is pure and spotless: these have no armour on, for they are not to strike a blow, only their General, who has the bloody garment on, is to tread the winepress, and destroy antichrist with the breath of his mouth, or with his sword proceeding out of it, as follows.

 

[Heart2Soul]

and how do you see that manifesting? What or whom will you be fighting, do you think

@bbyrd009.....I have been warring against Satan and his demons for a long time now....
First and foremost.....I pray. I ask the Holy Spirit for discernment, I ask my Father for His Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding in the situation....I put on the Armor of God....as you see in my avatar....this is my daily routine.
Let's discuss for a minute what do you do in a situation where there is an attack coming against your health, your finances, your faith, your relationships and your whole life is about to become desperate for His intervention. Do you call out to God for help, seek scripture that you can stand on, seek Godly counsel? You like picking on how I handle them....how do you?

 

[Taken]

o.

Please go discover the symbolism of "a thousand years" in 2 Peter 3:8-10, and learn WHAT the symbolic thousand years was for, and WHEN it began. Study verse 9 thoroughly.

Do you have a point you would like to make pertaining to 2 Pet 3:9 ?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[DNB]

you may believe Jesus died for your sins to appease a God that required sacrifice, or you may not, but you can only really Quote one of them imo. Things are not as they appear there

Well, that's a good point. I don't necessarily believe that God himself requires sacrifice, especially human sacrifice, but the Law demanded blood.
We were all in bondage under the Law, convicting us of guilt. Christ fulfilled the Law to the letter, thus, was able to be the final sacrifice in order to end the Law. It was the ending of the Law which removed the condemnation. Not so much Christ's death as a penalty, but his perfected life allowed him to remove the enmity between God and man. The Law had to be fulfilled, for everything that God institutes will not fall by the wayside, and Christ did this by his uncompromised love for God and obedience.

 

[brakelite]

I’m sorry I’m getting confused at what every one believes. you don’t think God is returning with an army following after Him to slay all His enemies with carnal weapons? if our foes are not of this world then neither are His.

No canal weapons.
KJV Isaiah 11
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

 

[Earburner]

I have been researching the spirit of antichrist as mentioned in scripture and this author made a very good point on the subject...

Daily Bible Study - The Spirit of Antichrist
The Spirit of Antichrist
by Wayne Blank

Antichrist is from the Greek word (pronounced) an-tee-kris-toess. It means opposition to the Messiah (Christ is the Greek version of the Hebrew Messiah). "Antichrist" is specifically found only five times in the Holy Scriptures, four times as "antichrist" and once as "antichrists." It was used only by the apostle John, and only in two of his Epistles to the church in which he was speaking, not of pagans or people of other religions who opposed Christianity, but of people who had fallen away from true Christianity because they had been led astray by the "spirit of antichrist." They alone were not antichrist, but by their apostasy had become among those who were also antichrist. Antichrist was a hostile force, not a specific person i.e. "antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists" (1 John 2:18 KJV)
"That spirit of antichrist"

John never spoke exclusively of "the antichrist," but of antichrist as an opposing attitude toward the true Messiah. John's first reference to antichrist speaks of people who had fallen away from the church and became antichrist by their rejection of the Truth:

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." (1 John 2:18-19 KJV)
Who is antichrist? Logically, as John plainly states, "he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ." Can they deny that Jesus is the Christ if they never knew of Jesus the Christ? Not according to John, who pleaded with the Christian recipients of his letters to continue in the Truth, so as to not become antichrist:

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father." (1 John 2:22-24 KJV)
Here John plainly contrasts the Holy Spirit of God with "that spirit of antichrist," an attitude of opposing the reality of Christ, Who Christ is, What Christ is. The antichrists that John speaks of were not people on the outside, but people who had "gone out into the world":

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world" (1 John 4:1-4 KJV)
Again and again, John speaks of "antichrist" as a falling away:

"And this is love, that we walk after His Commandments. This is the Commandment, that, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward." (2 John 1:6-8 KJV)
There was more in his article but I will let you read it for yourself if you are interested.

There is NO one man band, miracle man, religious or otherwise that is going to come. Its all a fabrication by "religion".

When one studies the 1611 KJV with the Textus Receptus Greek, they will find that the word "THE" man of sin has been translated/changed to "THAT" man of sin in the KJV, with the word "wicked" being capitalized "Wicked", and is altogether corrupted as being that Wicked, instead of "the wicked", of which correctly follows suit to the plurality in context.
2 Thes. 2:3-8 KJV

Unfortunately, the KJV was being translated right in the middle of "The Protestant Reformation", in which christians were pulling away from the RCC.
What better way to make the Pope and the RCC out to be "the boogey man" (THE Antichrist), by changing one word, and then a letter to upper case?

 

[brakelite]

There is NO one man band, miracle man, religious or otherwise that is going to come. Its all a fabrication by "religion".

When one studies the 1611 KJV with the Textus Receptus Greek, they will find that the word "THE" man of sin has been translated/changed to "THAT" man of sin in the KJV, with the word "wicked" being capitalized "Wicked", and is altogether corrupted as being that Wicked, instead of "the wicked", of which correctly follows suit to the plurality in context.
2 Thes. 2:3-8 KJV

Unfortunately, the KJV was being translated right in the middle of "The Protestant Reformation", in which christians were pulling away from the RCC.
What better way to make the Pope and the RCC out to be "the boogey man" (THE Antichrist), by changing one word, and then a letter to upper case?

Oh please, as if the entire foundation of the reformation rested upon one word...I can only shake my head in wonder at Catholic desperation to cleave to lies.

 

[brakelite]

The word Antichrist, means in essence, that which opposes Christ by replacing Christ. Christ, the true High Priest now ministering in the heavenly sanctuary above, is replaced in the hearts and minds of Antichrist's followers by presenting a system of worship in such a manner that the true Christ is substituted by Antichrist. This concept is starkly revealed within the Catholic system.

See in the following comparison how Antichrist is a counterfeit of the true Christ.

The sea-beast or antichrist of revelation 13.
Comes from water to begin activity. (13:1)
Resembles dragon. (12:13 13:1)
Ten diadems. (13:1)
Ten horns (13:1)
Receives power throne and authority from dragon/Satan. (13:2,4)
42 months of activity in first phase. (13:5)
Was slain (13:3)
Resurrected (13:3)
Receives worship after healing (13:3,4,8)

Now compare:
Jesus Christ
Comes from water to begin ministry (Luke 3:21-23)
Resembles Father (Jn 14:19)
Many diadems (Rev 19:12)
Lamb has 7 horns (5:6)
Receives power throne and authority from His Father (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27 Chapters 4,5)
42 months of ministry in initial phase. (Gospel of John)
Was slain (Rev 5:6)
Was resurrected (Rev1:18)
Received worship after resurrection (Math 28:17)

Another way of looking at this is again through scripture...

Christ. Who is He? Let us go to the scriptures to find out what and Who He claimed to be.

Matthew 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

The temple, the priesthood, and the religious system of the Jewish nation go hand in hand. It was the mainstay and focal point of the life of Israel. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater. Greater even than the very High priest who no doubt would take great interest in hearing a report of these words. Greater even than the very law of God enshrined within. (Or at least it used to be). Only one person can be greater than any law of God, and that is the lawgiver.

38 ¶ Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Jonah was the most powerful and successful of all OT prophets. In all 40 odd chapters of Jeremiah, there is no record of anyone at anytime taking the slightest bit of notice of anything Jeremiah said. Yet Jonah, on the strength of just one or two sermons, converted an entire city of the children of Ishmael totaling maybe 60,000 people. Nineveh. By any standards, that has got to be recorded as a very successful evangelistic campaign. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater than Jonah.

42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

Solomon was the wisest and wealthiest and most successful of any ruler of the ancient world. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater even than Solomon.

In the three startling claims as shown above, we have before us the threefold ministry of Jesus. Priest, prophet, and King.

It has been said, and I think wisely, that the Bible must be understood grammatically before it can be understood theologically. Anti– as in antichrist, according to Strong’s concordance, and like other words having the prefix ‘anti’, means at it’s most basic form “in the room of”, “instead of”, or “in the place of”.
In other words, ‘antichrist’ stands as a substitute. So is there an institution that claims to be vicariously ministering in the place of Christ as priest, prophet, and king?

 

[Earburner]

Oh please, as if the entire foundation of the reformation rested upon one word...I can only shake my head in wonder at Catholic desperation to cleave to lies.

I am not Catholic!
I gave you the evidence of how in the midst of The Protetant Reformation, the Textus Receptus Greek was mistranslated in the 1611 KJV, for 2 Thes. 2
If you choose not to research it for yourself, then continue on in your vain and unending speculation of a singular man, that all of Religion loves to call "THE" Anti Christ!
KJV- 2 Thes. 2[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
> the KJV translation FORCES the reader to understand it ONLY in the SINGULAR.

TR Greek- 2 Thes. 2[8] And then shall the wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
> The original TR Greek ALLOWS the reader to understand it in the PLURAL.