The Bible is Complete...but not conclusive.

[mjrhealth]

If we try to get to know him apart from the Bible we run the risk of being deceived

An yet here we are wit ha whole lot of deceived bible readers,, odd isnt it,

 

[mjrhealth]

So that is what you were going for.

I for one appreciate directness.

Much love!

Actually I wasnt going for anything but you kept asking and that was where it went.

 

[farouk]

And scripture says no man cometh to the Father except that the Holy Spirit draws them.....

I'm not sure about the title of this thread.

But this is a great quote from John 6, that you mention! :)

 

[Heart2Soul]

I'm not sure about the title of this thread.

But this is a great quote from John 6, that you mention! :)

The title simply brings to attention that it isn't conclusive because of all the different interpretations and beliefs associated with it....therefore it isn't conclusive as to who is right in their interpretation....also there is more to be fulfilled according to prophesy.
I gave my belief on it and you are invited to share yours.
We will all come to the full knowledge of it soon....and I doubt anyone will be saying "I told you so!" ....lol.

 

[farouk]

The title simply brings to attention that it isn't conclusive because of all the different interpretations and beliefs associated with it....therefore it isn't conclusive as to who is right in their interpretation....also there is more to be fulfilled according to prophesy.
I gave my belief on it and you are invited to share yours.
We will all come to the full knowledge of it soon....and I doubt anyone will be saying "I told you so!" ....lol.

Good for believers to have the Lord Jesus' promise of the Holy Spirit to 'guide you into all truth' (John 16.13). :)

 

[Heart2Soul]

Good for believers to have the Lord Jesus' promise of the Holy Spirit to 'guide you into all truth' (John 16.13). :)

Amen to that, brother!

 

[101G]

God has even uses me to speak ....10 times in my life He sent me as His messenger to speak what He wanted them to hear....and everyone of them came to pass as He spoke it.

GINOLJC, to all of this post who seek the truth.
Yes God uses women as well as men to speak his words. for he is no respector of Person, and 2 there is neither male nor female in
christ Jesus, (his Church). and yes God never let his Prophets fail. supportive scripture,1 Samuel 3:19 "And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground.
1 Samuel 3:20 "And all Israel from Dan even to Beersheba knew that Samuel was established to be a prophet of the LORD.
so yes, prophets are messengers of God. and prophet also preach, and teach. this is how God get his word to the world by preaching. scripture, Titus 1:1 "Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
Titus 1:2 "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Titus 1:3 "But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour". so Paul being an apostle preached, as well as being a prophet he preached and teached. Jonah, who is an OT prophet "preached", see Jonah 3:1 & 2. and yes women are prophets, just in the NT they are called, "prophetess” or “woman prophet”.

now to the two witness.

I don't know...sorry. I wish I knew myself...

short answer, John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus the Christ are the two witness in the bible.

PICJAG.

 

[marksman]

Can I say there is a danger in making a god of the bible, and for good reason.

One. The new Testament church did not have the New Testament. The canon of scripture was not initiated until 326 A.D.

Two. They had the living experience of the 12 disciples being with Jesus who taught and passed on what Jesus taught. So teaching was from personal experience not look up verse so and so.

Three. The NT is full of stories where their authority comes directly from the Holy Spirit. Today, the Holy Spirit hardly gets a look in. The programme is everything.

Four. Miracles convinced people, not chapter and verse.

Five. Having the Bible as we do, we have made a God of knowing about Jesus but not of knowing him.

Six. A changed life is much more powerful than a load of verses.

Seven. Atheists have got head knowledge but the believer should have Spirit knowledge, you know the sort that sets you free.

 

[reformed1689]

The canon of scripture was not initiated until 326 A.D

This is false.

Two. They had the living experience of the 12 disciples being with Jesus who taught and passed on what Jesus taught. So teaching was from personal experience not look up verse so and so.

This would have only been true for the first few decades.

Four. Miracles convinced people, not chapter and verse.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

Six. A changed life is much more powerful than a load of verses.

Can't have a changed life without those verses.

Seven. Atheists have got head knowledge but the believer should have Spirit knowledge, you know the sort that sets you free.

A believer will have both.

 

[101G]

Can I say there is a danger in making a god of the bible, and for good reason.

One. The new Testament church did not have the New Testament. The canon of scripture was not initiated until 326 A.D.

Two. They had the living experience of the 12 disciples being with Jesus who taught and passed on what Jesus taught. So teaching was from personal experience not look up verse so and so.

Three. The NT is full of stories where their authority comes directly from the Holy Spirit. Today, the Holy Spirit hardly gets a look in. The programme is everything.

Four. Miracles convinced people, not chapter and verse.

Five. Having the Bible as we do, we have made a God of knowing about Jesus but not of knowing him.

Six. A changed life is much more powerful than a load of verses.

Seven. Atheists have got head knowledge but the believer should have Spirit knowledge, you know the sort that sets you free.

not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. Romans 15:4 "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope".

now let me say this by permission, "the Old testament is the New testament "hidden". and "the New testement is the Old testament revealed".

what was in the OT was foretold to come, scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

1 Peter 1:12 "Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

so it is written for us.

PICJAG.

 

[marksman]

not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. Romans 15:4 "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope".

now let me say this by permission, "the Old testament is the New testament "hidden". and "the New testement is the Old testament revealed".

what was in the OT was foretold to come, scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

1 Peter 1:12 "Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

so it is written for us.

PICJAG.

I fully expected someone to disagree with me as some of my posts are very nuanced. One has to look beyond the obvious to get to the meat of the situation being explored.

 

[marksman]

This is false.

This would have only been true for the first few decades.


Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.


Can't have a changed life without those verses.


A believer will have both.

Yoú say you are a well-known member, but I am not sure that it is true because I don't know you from a bar of soap. We are both right but one has to see beyond the claims to see what is being said. I write a lot of the time to make people think and judging by the likes I receive that is what happens. In addition, I like pointing out the status quo which has made the church largely ineffective.

The church says a lot of things half of which it doesn't believe for one moment if it disturbs the status quo.

 

[Heart2Soul]

not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. Romans 15:4 "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope".

now let me say this by permission, "the Old testament is the New testament "hidden". and "the New testement is the Old testament revealed".

what was in the OT was foretold to come, scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

1 Peter 1:12 "Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

so it is written for us.

PICJAG.

You are a gifted teacher of His Word....I like the way you present things...I rarely have disagreed with you on anything you have shared.
God Bless and keep sharing the Truth!

 

[CovenantPromise]

Can I say there is a danger in making a god of the bible, and for good reason.

One. The new Testament church did not have the New Testament. The canon of scripture was not initiated until 326 A.D.

Two. They had the living experience of the 12 disciples being with Jesus who taught and passed on what Jesus taught. So teaching was from personal experience not look up verse so and so.

Three. The NT is full of stories where their authority comes directly from the Holy Spirit. Today, the Holy Spirit hardly gets a look in. The programme is everything.

Four. Miracles convinced people, not chapter and verse.

Five. Having the Bible as we do, we have made a God of knowing about Jesus but not of knowing him.

Six. A changed life is much more powerful than a load of verses.

Seven. Atheists have got head knowledge but the believer should have Spirit knowledge, you know the sort that sets you free.

Hmmm, getting familiar.
One. The church had the scriptures the Emperor of Rome simply commissioned a compiling and copy of what already exist among small assemblies before the one of Rome. Simply compiled , that is all. That bible did not come available to the masses until the printing press. And they put forth their Canon for people outside of the fraternity to buffer Luther's head start on that.

Two. Yes the VERY FIRST CHURCH had the apostles but the grafted in have their words, IMPORTANT! And is training and preparing in all righteousness.

Three. As you point out the NT is full of stories written by the authority of the Holy Spirit, so clearly they are Holy Spirit teachings, VERY IMPORTANT.

Four. If only miracles convince people , then they are only for sign's and only an evil and adulterous generation demands a sign. The chapter and verses then must speak only to those who like to learn about truth.

Five. knowing the scriptures is knowing Christ, but it is belief, love that opens the scriptures to you. The heart is what God sees, and as God opened the scriptures to the apostles he opens them up too, to those who love Him in future generations.
Luke 24:44-
Jesus Unveils the Scriptures
44Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.” 45Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. 46And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,…

Clearly He does that moving forward for those who believe sincerely from generation to generation who read the NT too.Atheist read but do not believe, but an atheist could read and begin to believe too. VERY IMPORTANT.
Six. Change of life can come from the scriptures as so many can attest to, who have sought and found in the words of Christ, much comfort.
God Bless!

 

[marksman]

Hmmm, getting familiar.
One. The church had the scriptures the Emperor of Rome simply commissioned a compiling and copy of what already exist among small assemblies before the one of Rome. Simply compiled , that is all. That bible did not come available to the masses until the printing press. And they put forth their Canon for people outside of the fraternity to buffer Luther's head start on that.

Two. Yes the VERY FIRST CHURCH had the apostles but the grafted in have their words, IMPORTANT! And is training and preparing in all righteousness.

Three. As you point out the NT is full of stories written by the authority of the Holy Spirit, so clearly they are Holy Spirit teachings, VERY IMPORTANT.

Four. If only miracles convince people , then they are only for sign's and only an evil and adulterous generation demands a sign. The chapter and verses then must speak only to those who like to learn about truth.

Five. knowing the scriptures is knowing Christ, but it is belief, love that opens the scriptures to you. The heart is what God sees, and as God opened the scriptures to the apostles he opens them up too, to those who love Him in future generations.
Luke 24:44-
Jesus Unveils the Scriptures
44Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.” 45Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. 46And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,…

Clearly He does that moving forward for those who believe sincerely from generation to generation who read the NT too.Atheist read but do not believe, but an atheist could read and begin to believe too. VERY IMPORTANT.
Six. Change of life can come from the scriptures as so many can attest to, who have sought and found in the words of Christ, much comfort.
God Bless!

People today have a misunderstanding of what the scriptures mean in the scriptures. Most believe it means the Old and New Testaments. The scriptures that Paul speaks of is the Old Testament as the New did not exist. There is a lot of value in studying the Old as it gives an understanding of God's plan for the coming of Christ and his mission on earth.

Because this is not taught in the churches, the believer's understanding of things is very shallow.

 

[Heart2Soul]

People today have a misunderstanding of what the scriptures mean in the scriptures. Most believe it means the Old and New Testaments. The scriptures that Paul speaks of is the Old Testament as the New did not exist. There is a lot of value in studying the Old as it gives an understanding of God's plan for the coming of Christ and his mission on earth.

Because this is not taught in the churches, the believer's understanding of things is very shallow.

I really like what @101G shared in post #130 and I agree with him and you on the study of the OT along with the new....very important!

 

[CovenantPromise]

People today have a misunderstanding of what the scriptures mean in the scriptures. Most believe it means the Old and New Testaments. The scriptures that Paul speaks of is the Old Testament as the New did not exist. There is a lot of value in studying the Old as it gives an understanding of God's plan for the coming of Christ and his mission on earth.

Because this is not taught in the churches, the believer's understanding of things is very shallow.

Clearly the NT scriptures did not exist until they were penned by the Elect Jew. They were entrusted to men appointed by the apostles to preserve their accounts and NT doctrine , which are of the Greater covenant. They were destined to be scripture, and are. Speaking as to what was not, has nothing to do with what is. And to take a stand concerning what was not, from that perspective, is like a hypothetical but that makes no sense because the scriptures are. They are not conjecture.They are a reality based in fact not as past but as present. What was meant to be is . They are here and are necessary.

 

[reformed1689]

Yoú say you are a well-known member, but I am not sure that it is true because I don't know you from a bar of soap. We are both right but one has to see beyond the claims to see what is being said. I write a lot of the time to make people think and judging by the likes I receive that is what happens. In addition, I like pointing out the status quo which has made the church largely ineffective.

The church says a lot of things half of which it doesn't believe for one moment if it disturbs the status quo.

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[marksman]

What on earth are you talking about?

I am talking about what I said in the post.

 

[reformed1689]

I am talking about what I said in the post.

Yeah, you aren't making any sense. I literally have no idea what you are trying to convey at this point.