by flesh which is corrupt. I asked you how since the Law is Spiritual and fulfilled and kept by the life-giving (Life quickening) Spirit of God entering in (2 Corinthians 6:16) (Ezekiel 36:27)
Those passages answer your question. What are you trying to say? You're making my points for me. I can add Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 11;19; Hebrews 8:9,10 as well. In every case, we see that it is God who changes one's carnal heart out for a new reborn one that is THEN able to keep Gods' commandments. That's the purpose of God's New Covenant. The purpose isn't to get a new heart by keeping God's law, but for God to give us a new heart so that we may keep his law. You're putting the cart before the horse.
(Ezekiel 11:19-20), And since the Law is Spiritual ...how does a Spiritual Law entering in, not save or give Life?[/QUOTE]
Because you are personifying the law itself. It isn't the law that is being put into the new creature. It is Christ's spirit living in, with, and through the new creation. Again, you are engaging in anachronistic thinking here as well. One does not keep the law to be approved, justified, or saved. One is saved, and THEN able to keep God's law. Read what you yourself just posted from scripture. Nowhere in any of those passages does anyone suggest that one must keep the law in order to be saved or to become a new creation. It is always and everywhere the same; God calls, chooses, saves, sanctifies, glorifies, etc. a people to keep his laws. Paul points out that we have the entire Hebrew scriptures as a testament to the failure of keeping the law as a means of salvation.
He said He came that they may have Life and have it more abundantly. He said “Learn of Me” and you will find rest. Same Rest you spoke of when He enters in.
Yep, and none of this does away with God's law, nor does this prove that keeping God's law can save anyone. You're just conflating a lot of ideas together and pretending that you have an argument.
One Law does save and give Life which is circumcision of the foreskin of the heart(the circumcision of Christ).
How do you perform that law?
Another entering into His rest, which He does by entering in.
Yep. Note that it is God who is doing the action here.
The Sabbath where it is not about self-maintenance or working,
Please document where the bible refers to the Sabbath being about self-maintenance or working.
Honoring Your Father in Heaven and the mother of us all New Jerusalem also gives Life and saves...
Nonsense. The new creature in Christ honors the father who has given them life.
that is where the New Birth is from.
No one is arguing otherwise.
What must one do to be saved? Born again from above.
Yep, and there is nothing anyone can do to be born from above. It is all done by God. God does everything. It is no coincidence that Christ uses that imagery because it is the father who begets his children, and the mother who gives birth. The child is only passively involved, and can only become actively involved AFTER THE FACT. That is when they begin to keep the law perfectly and for eternity.
You said earlier: “Of course, but it doesn't then follow that the former is done away”
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old (former)things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
I don't know how many times I have pointed this out, but I will say it once again: Each and every time anyone refers to the law being done away with, they are a direct reference to the "law that was added because of transgression", the "curse of the law", the "penalty", the sacrificial system which should never be conflated with the commandments that are for our benefit. Here again your reference is no exception. Look at the very next few verses, and what do we see? "
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
Reconciling trespasses does not come by doing away with God's commandments, but by his sacrifice on the cross.
Revelation 21:4-5 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
This is all accomplished by his sacrifice.
Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
His flesh sacrificed for sin.
The Spirit saves. The Law is Spiritual And of a Life giving Spirit. Are we really saying the Spiritual Law does not give Life or save from corruption?
To say "of a life giving spirit" spotlights that it is from God who is the giver and author of all life. It is God who sustains us for eternity, and we live in, with, and by him in accordance with his laws. He places his law into our hearts which THEN allows us to keep his laws perfectly.
When God says He would put His Spirit in them and walk in them...this does not save?
You're either trolling or simply ignoring what I'm posting. I'm not claiming that God doesn't save us. I'm pointing out that he saves us so that we may keep his law. You've basically taken my position now. So I have no reason to disagree.
Dangerous(imo) to mingle the Spiritual Law saves and gives Life with that which does not save but is death.
Sounds dangerous, but then I'm not mingling one with the other to begin with.
Circumcision of the foreskin of the heart by the circumcision of Christ, does save.
There is no foreskin of the heart, but yes I agree that it is God who saves.
His Rest, does save from wrath. Honoring the Father and New Jerusalem ...Christ said anyone who does the will of His Father...this is His Mother, brethren...
No doubt about it. This isn't an argument.
The Church is Spiritual with Christ as the High Priest, and the circumcision of the heart is the circumcision of Christ for and by God. You are right no man or ceremony can circumcise the foreskin of the heart. It is impossible. The Spiritual Law performed by The hand of God.
Then you have no argument with me. You have changed your position.
The Spirit saves. To say the Spiritual commandments of God do not save
This is a blatant strawman argument. I have never made this claim anywhere.
Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth (Profit)any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Here again, this is my position. It is the new creature who is saved by becoming a new creation in, with, and through Christ. This is what allows one to keep God's commandments perfectly. It is only AFTER this has happened that the commandments can be kept perfectly, and only AFTER this has happened that,
"circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
