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This is great! Thanks for reminding us about the true meaning of Christmas--giving.:) :)
Tis the season for giving. What better charity than your local Food Pantry. A lot of the big charities, you really never know where the donations go and rarely see or hear of them in action. But with your local Food Pantries or Food Banks, you can get up and personal and know how it operates.
It does not take much effort to see how your local Food Pantry works and who it helps. Your money stays local to feed those that are in need. It is not the same as other charities, you are involved and you get to know the people involved. What better gift than a thoughtful expression of your time and donations.
Teaching our kids the love of offering a helping hand. Watch for the schools in your area collecting food donations and let the kids have a chance to give. It is one of those things that builds character.
You might find a blue bag on your door knob. It is probably from the Boy Scouts, they are collecting food this time a year, give what you can. Again it is about teach our children to get involved and be charitable in a smart way.
The elderly watch; Everyone knows someone. You might not need help with utilities but it is good to know the help that is available for utilities in your area so you can advise.
Keep an eye out for the elderly in your church…this takes a little skill…. sometimes they are too proud to ask. Most of heard about the elderly eating dog food, that is no good.
No one should be eating alone for Christmas. Invite someone that you know to share a holiday meal. What better expression of the love of Christianity.
Sometimes you can ask a round to see if someone in your area needs help. Strangely enough, you might find that your mail carrier would know someone on their route that needs help. I run a cross people in need when I am yard sale-ing.
Also I would like to mention that Habitat for Humanity may have local locations that you can check into and see the good they are doing in your community. Over the years they have developed a very good reputation.
Bottom line, the truth about charity is that it is an expression of love and compassion, and sometimes it is not about the amount you give, but how you give it. And who knows, you maybe answering someone’s prayers. The personal touch makes the difference.
:):):):):)Have a Very Merry and Blessed Christmas everyone!:):):):)
This is great! Thanks for reminding us about the true meaning of Christmas--giving.
Blessings to you!
I respect the fact that some people have issues with Pagan "things." But Christian holidays do not commemorate Pagan gods. People do not like to admit that God changes His mined or there is a change in the plan....that is their problem because even in the OT we can sight were God did change His mind.Concerning the title question:
Isaiah 1:13 and Malachi 1:11 are contrasting verses on the issue.
I believe that Isaiah 1:13 was speaking of God's detesting of their religious practices over the fact that they were done in hypocrisy. It was not incense in itself that was the abomination to the Lord; but the fact that they offered it up in a heart that wasn't upright before Him. It was religion; not relationship. Outward observance rather than inward change.
And a very Merry Christmas to you my friend!:):):):):):):):)Merry Christmas Everyone!:):):):):):):):)
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This is a awesome thread you have put up here...so very interesting.
I've enjoyed reading it all.
Being British I must say ..Glad that cranberry sauce started in the State.
I just wonder WHY! :)
USA is very large , there is lots of room there for all the cranberry sauce in the world. LOL![]()
Like you ladies I did not know for a long time how the process worked. Family owned farms.Oh thank you for posting that info....
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Luke did not add incorrectly.Significant dates of Christ
A little background info…Mosaic Law….Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy. The Jewish Sabbath occurs weekly on Saturday, similar to the Christian Holy Day that occurs on Sunday.
The Gregorian calendar missed the birth of Christ by 3 years. When calculating keep in mind that the Gregorian calendar does not have a year 0 (zero) and Year 1 is both BC and AD.
Herod dies March 12th 4 bc So Christ has to be born before that. Josephus notes an eclipse of the moon around the time of Herod death. Computerized astronomical calculations (NASA) indicate that there was an eclipse of the moon that could be seen from Jerusalem on the night of the 23rd of March 4 BC.
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star!
So Herod secretly told the Magi to go to Bethlehem and investigate and report back to him, but the Magi chose to follow the star instead. (Matt. 2:1-9) The star then moved north to Nazareth and they followed the star to a small home were the baby Jesus lived and they worshiped Him (Matt. 2:11) It was the Star of Nazareth, not the Star of the Nativity, because the Magi never went to Bethlehem. Which solves another misunderstanding.
( Oh Three Kings of Orient are…)
The early Christian leaders had problems with the word Magi because it means magic-ian, better understood in this time period as wizard, sorcerer, or even witch. In fact, the masculine noun of this word is used to describe Simon Magus in Acts chapter 8 and Elymas the sorcerer in Acts chapter 13 who were not Magi, but just run of the mill sorcerers. So in some translations they named them wise men and tradition labeled them as three Kings, even though the number is not specified in the Bible. The gifts that the Magi gave Christ was a treasure, not trinket gifts. Matthew 2:11 And as indicated they may have been the first to worship Him.
The custom or tradition that the Magi were from the east and His star appeared in the east, is a contradiction. (Matt. 2:1-2) If the Magi would have been from the orient or east of Jerusalem and saw His star in the east they would be following the star in the opposite direction of Bethlehem/Nazareth. So this simply does not make any sense...unless they saw it from somewhere else. This group of Magi although not all Egyptians were probably from the area around Alexandria, Egypt and maybe they saw it in the sky east of Egypt. Also it should be noted that the star is a light, not a heavenly body because it moves, not in straight lines, and rests and according to some traditions casts a light to where Christ was. So the light could have hovered east of Alexandria and the Magi followed it around the Mediterranean, coming from the east to Nazareth by way of Jerusalem. Another contradiction resolved.
Then God spoke to the Magi in a dream and warned them not to return to King Herod. So they departed for their own country by another way. Matt. 2:12 Then in the next verse Matt. 2:13... Now when they had gone, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Get up! Take the Child and His mother and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you; for Herod is going to search for the Child to destroy Him.”
Then in Matthew 2:19-20 But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, and said, “Get up, take the Child and His mother, and go into the land of Israel; for those who sought the Child’s life are dead.” Herod dies on March 12th 4 BC.
Spoiler Alert: Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.
The Bible indicates Christ’s ministry starts when He was baptized by John the Baptist. Luke 3:23 ----Luke 3:1 Indicates that John the Baptist starts Baptizing in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, which would be in the year 29 AD. Which means that you would have to push Christ’s crucifixion off to 33 AD, (Next available date for the Passover on a Sabbath.) which would mean that Christ was born after Herod’s death? Which would make Christ 36 years old or throws Matthew’s story of the Magi, Herod, and the killing of innocents out the window. So it would seem that Luke may have added incorrectly. To keep the timeline correct Christ ministry would have to start in 27 AD, plus or minus a few months.
Christ's week in Jerusalem
Palm Sunday
Matthew 21:1-11
Mark 11:1-11
Luke 19:28-44
John 12:12-19
Monday
Cleansed the Temple of the money changers
No broom a length of rope
Matthew 21:12
Mark 11:15-17
Luke 19:45-46
Tuesday
Mount of Olive sermon and parables
Matthew 21:23-24
Mark 11:20-13:27
Luke 20:1-21:36
John 12:20-38
Wednesday
The woman with the Alabaster Jar
Judas goes to negotiate Christ betrayal
Matthew 26:2-16
Mark 14:1-11
Luke 22:3-6
Thursday
The Last supper
Matthew 26:17---
Mark 14:12---
Luke 22:7---
John 13:1---
Friday
Passover---The Feast of Unleavened Bread----Hag Ha-Matzot.
Passover is one 24 hour period in the seven day Feast of Unleavened bread. The Jewish Passover occurs each year on the evening of the first full moon after the Spring Equinox.
One thing we know for sure, Christ was not crucified on the day He ate the His Last Supper. But the Jews would have normally been eating the Passover meal on the day Christ was crucified, that would be Friday.
Over the centuries there have been some confusion on which day the Last Supper occurred, and the circumstances of its occurrence. So before we go on let me explain. Traditionally in this time period, on the eve before the Passover the sacrificial lamb was slain and butchered ritualistically. The blood was collected ritualistically and applied to the doorways. (This is the Passover part of the ritual of the plaque of the first born.) Then the entire lamb was cooked over a fire and eaten entirely, with unleavened bread. (The sacrifice could be either an unblemished goat or lamb. You can read about this ritual in Exodus chapter 12.) This is not exactly what happened during the evening of the Last Supper. But the Gospels use the term Passover meal to refer to the Last Supper and also reference the Passover lamb being sacrificed on Thursday evening, from there, confusion ensued.
The Jewish Passover that year occurred on Saturday April 8th 30 AD, and started at dusk (As the Full Moon rose) on April 7th. Computerized astronomical calculations (NASA) shows a full Moon on the evening of April 7th when Passover began. So the Passover for that year occurred on the Jewish Sabbath...Saturday. Two Holy events occurring on the same day. Some refer to this as a High Holy Day, High Day, or High Sabbath for the Jews. The Lambs would have been killed on Friday, the afternoon of the 7th of April. But Christ would not be alive Friday evening. So in this instance there was an honorary Passover meal for Christ. As I said, we know that Christ did not eat the Last Supper on the day He was crucified.
He was the symbolic and divine sacrificial lamb and He was slain around 3:00 pm on the 7th of April, around the time that the actual sacrificial lambs were being slain. The Passover dinner for Him was held on the evening of the 6th of April...Thursday and they had a sacrificial lamb. The next day, the actual Passover lambs would be slaughtered and eaten on Friday evening/night...for the Passover dinners. Christ was the sacrificial lamb for the New Covenant and He was crucified during the day on Friday, about the time the sacrificial lambs for Passover were being killed. So Christ would not be observing the normal processes of the Passover and the Passover meal, and as it turned out, the same was true for the Apostles because they would be in hiding, not sacrificing lambs. They may have arranged for food to be brought to them, but they probably were not sacrificing lambs at the Temple while Christ was being crucified.
The meal that Christ attended was a meal that the Gospels refer to as the Passover meal, put it was not the actual Jewish Passover meal. As I explained, the next day was the Jewish day of preparation for the Passover, and the Jewish Passover meal would occur then. This was the day that Christ was slain. Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, 31, and 42, all confirm that the day that Christ was crucified was on the Day of Preparation, which was Friday, April 7th 30 AD. John 18:28 also proves that on Thursday night/Friday morning, the day of Christ’s crucifixion, the Apostles had not eaten the actual Passover meal yet. The morning cock had crowed for Peter John 18:27 Christ was before Pilate in the Praetorium and the Apostles did not enter because they did not want to be defiled because they wanted to eat the Passover. Which would be that evening. Another mystery solved....
What makes you think that?Luke did not add incorrectly.
Good to stick with the record of Scripture, right?Luke did not add incorrectly.