Is There Different Beliefs Among Catholics? Chrislam Movement?

[jshiii]

I have some Catholic friends that agree with primary doctrines of Christian Churches here in the US. Our disagreements are on secondary doctrines which doesn't bother me. If they want to wear long robes in church or swing containers of incense up and down the aisles, or wear big cross symbols on their chest, so be it. As long as their sole belief and faith are in Jesus Christ and do not become a stumbling block for new christians. These same friends do not agree wholeheartedly on everything that goes on at the Vatican.

So my question is, coming from a non Catholic background, do some Catholics really support the Vatican and the Pope trying to bring together Christians + Islam, THE CHRISLAM MOVEMENT ? Or is this just the Radical Catholics? My Catholic friends do not support the Chrislam Movement, so there must be different types/levels of Catholicism?

Someone please educate me?

The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!

 

[shnarkle]

I have some Catholic friends that agree with primary doctrines of Christian Churches here in the US. Our disagreements are on secondary doctrines which doesn't bother me. If they want to wear long robes in church or swing containers of incense up and down the aisles, or wear big cross symbols on their chest, so be it. As long as their sole belief and faith are in Jesus Christ and do not become a stumbling block for new christians. These same friends do not agree wholeheartedly on everything that goes on at the Vatican.

So my question is, coming from a non Catholic background, do some Catholics really support the Vatican and the Pope trying to bring together Christians + Islam, THE CHRISLAM MOVEMENT ? Or is this just the Radical Catholics? My Catholic friends do not support the Chrislam Movement, so there must be different types of Catholicism?

Someone please educate me?

The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!

There are a number of different factions within Catholicism. Catholicism isn't just a religion, it's also a political system. The Vatican is a country, and their are opposing political factions within it. One of those factions is actively Ecumenical.

 

[Philip James]

I have some Catholic friends that agree with primary doctrines of Christian Churches here in the US. Our disagreements are on secondary doctrines which doesn't bother me. If they want to wear long robes in church or swing containers of incense up and down the aisles, or wear big cross symbols on their chest, so be it. As long as their sole belief and faith are in Jesus Christ and do not become a stumbling block for new christians. These same friends do not agree wholeheartedly on everything that goes on at the Vatican.

So my question is, coming from a non Catholic background, do some Catholics really support the Vatican and the Pope trying to bring together Christians + Islam, THE CHRISLAM MOVEMENT ? Or is this just the Radical Catholics? My Catholic friends do not support the Chrislam Movement, so there must be different types/levels of Catholicism?

Someone please educate me?

The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!

Hello jhsiii,

Here is official Church teaching on interfaith dialogue:

Dominus Iesus

Hope that helps.

Peace!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

just like every other Christian group, Catholics aren’t clones of each other. You’ll find a variety of beliefs, opinions, devotion levels, etc.

 

[amadeus]

I have some Catholic friends that agree with primary doctrines of Christian Churches here in the US. Our disagreements are on secondary doctrines which doesn't bother me. If they want to wear long robes in church or swing containers of incense up and down the aisles, or wear big cross symbols on their chest, so be it. As long as their sole belief and faith are in Jesus Christ and do not become a stumbling block for new christians. These same friends do not agree wholeheartedly on everything that goes on at the Vatican.

So my question is, coming from a non Catholic background, do some Catholics really support the Vatican and the Pope trying to bring together Christians + Islam, THE CHRISLAM MOVEMENT ? Or is this just the Radical Catholics? My Catholic friends do not support the Chrislam Movement, so there must be different types/levels of Catholicism?

Someone please educate me?

The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!

I was a Catholic a long time ago before they made some major changes in the 1960's through what they call "Vatican II". There are now some "Catholics" who stand by, or want to, the way things were prior to Vatican II, while the Pope [and I would guess] most of the membership go along with the newer things.

Also the church itself [That which the Pope leads] now permits the existence among their 'flocks' of charismatics. They speak in tongues and do other things usually found among the Pentecostal [type of Protestants] churches, but remain Catholic.

 

[bbyrd009]

Hello jhsiii,

Here is official Church teaching on interfaith dialogue:

Dominus Iesus

Hope that helps.

Peace!

ok now see this is me not telling you that that is most certainly not the Church of Scripture, bc the word "Catholic" is in the title, ok. With some reluctance, but whatever. So, wont be doing this again ok, but since i am, the Church is made of Living Stones, and fwiw for all i know you are One, pagan beliefs and all, ok. Dont care, even a little bit, what someone believes; no judgement for beliefs, right.
Have a nice evening m. james

 

[Enoch111]

My Catholic friends do not support the Chrislam Movement, so there must be different types/levels of Catholicism?

Leaving Chrislam aside, there are definitely different types of Catholics, and some even deem Pope Francis to be a heretic. Others believe that everything after Vatican II was corrupted.

The Catholics tend to distinguish themselves by "rite" (based on their different liturgies). So you have:
1. The Alexandrian Rite
2. The Armenian Rite
3. The Byzantine Rite
4. The East Syriac Rite
5. The Latin Rite
6. The West Syriac Rite

Within these rites you have 25 sub-groups. The Maronite Church or the Syriac Maronite Church of Antioch (East Syriac Rite) is probably the oldest, since the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch. But they also accept the primacy of the Pope (unlike many other traditionalist churches). They are now in Lebanon, Syria, Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, and all over the world. The Syriac Bible called the Peshitta is the old translation of whole Bible (dating from the 2nd century).

 

[Taken]

I believe there are DIFFERENT beliefs among individuals of ALL religious groups.

Some religious groups are EXTREME, which for example I would say regarding Christianity; Catholicism is one of the most Extreme.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

Leaving Chrislam aside, there are definitely different types of Catholics, and some even deem Pope Francis to be a heretic. Others believe that everything after Vatican II was corrupted.

The Catholics tend to distinguish themselves by "rite" (based on their different liturgies). So you have:
1. The Alexandrian Rite
2. The Armenian Rite
3. The Byzantine Rite
4. The East Syriac Rite
5. The Latin Rite
6. The West Syriac Rite

Within these rites you have 25 sub-groups. The Maronite Church or the Syriac Maronite Church of Antioch (East Syriac Rite) is probably the oldest, since the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch. But they also accept the primacy of the Pope (unlike many other traditionalist churches). They are now in Lebanon, Syria, Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, and all over the world. The Syriac Bible called the Peshitta is the old translation of whole Bible (dating from the 2nd century).

Although I appreciate your attempt to understand the different Liturgical Rites that comprise the Catholic Church – the “Traditionalist churches” you refer to that reject the authority of the Pope are not part of the Catholic Church.

These are schismatic groups that have broken off from the Church – much like the Protestants of the 16th century.

 

[Nondenom40]

I have some Catholic friends that agree with primary doctrines of Christian Churches here in the US. Our disagreements are on secondary doctrines which doesn't bother me. If they want to wear long robes in church or swing containers of incense up and down the aisles, or wear big cross symbols on their chest, so be it. As long as their sole belief and faith are in Jesus Christ and do not become a stumbling block for new christians. These same friends do not agree wholeheartedly on everything that goes on at the Vatican.

So my question is, coming from a non Catholic background, do some Catholics really support the Vatican and the Pope trying to bring together Christians + Islam, THE CHRISLAM MOVEMENT ? Or is this just the Radical Catholics? My Catholic friends do not support the Chrislam Movement, so there must be different types/levels of Catholicism?

Someone please educate me?

The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!

Not to derail the thread but the differences between the rcc and Christianity are far more severe than secondary. Things like;
The gospel
The Canon
Sin
Penance
Purgatory......and more are all primary issues, not secondary. But yes to answer your question. The rcc will amalgamate any and all that it thinks will help it's cause. Kissing the Koran was just one small step.

 

[Nondenom40]

Although I appreciate your attempt to understand the different Liturgical Rites that comprise the Catholic Church – the “Traditionalist churches” you refer to that reject the authority of the Pope are not part of the Catholic Church.

These are schismatic groups that have broken off from the Church – much like the Protestants of the 16th century.

And the sedevacantists say the same about all catholics post vat 2. YOU broke away, not them.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And the sedevacantists say the same about all catholics post vat 2. YOU broke away, not them.

And they can say what they want. It’s a silly, baseless argument.

The reality is that they broke away from the Church. The mere fact that there are literally DOZENS of disjointed and splintered sedevacantist factions is clear evidence of this.


Nice try . . .

 

[Taken]

disjointed and splintered ...

It is well known members of the Catholic church are taught to BE Proud and Voice their Pride of being a member of the Catholic church....
But Sadly you represent another fraction of Catholic teaching...IN THAT...you present your Pride as only being Valid, when cutting down Other man-made churches who Believe in the Lord God Almighty and the Baptism of His Holy Spirit and THEY bodily members of Christ, and HIS Church, that is NOT man-made.

You represent hypocracy.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

The reality is that they broke away from the Church.

The Reality is:

Jesus Established HIS Church 'IN" men.

Jesus chose Jews to Carry on His work of teaching men HOW to become Members of Jesus' Church.

Gentiles took over Jewish man-made churches and expanded, building more man-made churches...teaching men HOW TO become Members of Jesus' Church.

Gentiles BEGAN Adding Church rules and BEGAN exalting an elected human man as their HOLY FATHER...AND...

The more men learned to READ and Had availability of Scripture TO READ...the more men REJECTED a Catholic's human "holy father"... and the Catholics silly umpteen "rules"...and elected INSTEAD to TRUST the Word of God and "He" the Holy Father.

Yes. Many chose to Disagree with and moved AWAY from man-made Catholic teaching, and chose instead to Hear, Read and Trust the Word of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

ok now see this is me not telling you that that is most certainly not the Church of Scripture, bc the word "Catholic" is in the title, ok. right.

Agree, Catholic is a Title, and identifier of its meaning.
Catholic simply means: Universal.

Other man-made established churches, who reject a human man as "their" holy father...
Reject being identified with the title Catholic....but also; have World Wide (Universal established man-made Churches).

The Church in Scripture...is:
1) Christ the Lord Jesus, whose Spirit dwells WITHIN a man.
2) man-made structures, that anyone can attend whether or not they have received the Spirit of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Catholic simply means: Universal.

hogwash, no offense. It may have meant that then, but that was then. I do love that most Catholics are very accepting of others, dont get me wrong, but imo it is disingenuous at best to say that "Roman Catholic" now means "universal?"

2) man-made structures, that anyone can attend whether or not they have received the Spirit of God.

3) private interpretations, that i can now call whatever i want "Church" as long as i dont read my Bible, i guess, right?

which tbh im just arguing the point anyway, "Church" is an english word too, one may surely call whatever they like "church" w/o my arbitration, but i would suggest that this also makes for confusion, and division.

A Roman Catholic does not become a Roman "Catholic" to everyone else until they open up their mouths and announce that, or until they make statements that deviate from Scripture that do as well, right? Same as with any other "denomination?" Are we aware what the def of "denomination" is, guys?

Our scribes have prettied up the definition now, in our dictionaries, but lets not kid ourselves, pls "Denomination" means division, and further imo this is not necessarily a bad thing even. Ppl are different, yeh? We have different cultures, and different climates, and different goals, different everything!

While i cant and will never accept Catholics as "Christian," no one here can Support that Yah respects Christians any more than any other division, and frankly i aready know better than to even be here saying this to ppl who do not want to hear it i guess, yeh? Bc we all, every division, all of us, want to believe that Yah is a respecter of their persons. Fwiw i tell you that i love and enjoy the fact that ppl cannot put me in a box, and my replies to their literal queries that are not so much literal replies i guess, although i am trying to reply as honestly as i can, end up supporting that without me meaning it to; i usually take them as a spiritual question, so i um naturally try to give a thoughtful, spiritual reply (and hilarity generally ensues)

but also; have World Wide (Universal established man-made Churches).

according to you, yes, but note that you have attached no Support to your post sis? K happy friday :)

define these how you like imo, but do define them if you (not you) hope to have an actual meaningful convo with anyone
ecclesia
oikos
whatever boundary stone is in Aramaic or Greek or whatever

 

[Taken]

hogwash, no offense.

No offense taken.
The Term catholic has its roots in the Greek language.

The Greek roots of the term “Catholic” mean “according to (kata-) the whole (holos),” or more colloquially, “universal.” At the beginning of the second century, we find in the letters of Ignatius the first surviving use of the term “Catholic” in reference to the Church. Referencescatholic.com / wikipedia)

It may have meant that then, but that was then.

I already referenced, it is a Term a group of Gentiles elected as their Church Title.

I do love that most Catholics are very accepting of others, dont get me wrong,

Glad that is your experience.

but imo it is disingenuous at best to say that "Roman Catholic" now means "universal?"

You are giving your opinion of me being disingenuous about Roman Catholics.
I never mentioned Roman Catholics.

I simply said; what the meaning of the term catholic meant, and BTW, that meaning WAS the understanding of term back in the 3rd century.

If you believe the Roman Catholic church has changed the meaning of the term "catholic", to mean something other than "universal"...
Please provide your reference.

3) private interpretations, that i can now call whatever i want "Church" as long as i dont read my Bible, i guess, right?

You have free will to call things by whatever term you want. Doesn't affect me.

which tbh im just arguing the point anyway, "Church" is an english word too, one may surely call whatever they like "church" w/o my arbitration, but i would suggest that this also makes for confusion, and division.

I was clear;
Christ's Church is within a man.
Men build buildings, designed to make a gathering place to preach their beliefs and call the buildings a church.

A Roman Catholic does not become a Roman "Catholic" to everyone else until they open up their mouths and announce that, or until they make statements that deviate from Scripture that do as well, right? Same as with any other "denomination?" Are we aware what the def of "denomination" is, guys?

Again, I never mentioned "Roman Catholic".

Our scribes have prettied up the definition now, in our dictionaries, but lets not kid ourselves, pls "Denomination" means division, and further imo this is not necessarily a bad thing even. Ppl are different, yeh? We have different cultures, and different climates, and different goals, different everything!

Individuals are individuals.
Bottom Line...They can OR NOT, Believe in the Lord God and form a relationship (according To "His" Way...WITH Him, or not.)

I can not say ALL, because I know not ALL...but will say the Majority of Denominations calling themselves Christians, ARE in agreement in Belief in God, the Lord Jesus the Christ and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The "different" denominations, "Differ" in their own silly rules...

And Today...the major Christian denominations are spread Around the Universe.

While i cant and will never accept Catholics as "Christian,"

Whether a "person" claims to be "A" catholic or any other denomination...

I believe ALL the major Christian "Church" denominations HAVE the SAME Basic Principle of Statement of Belief...in God, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Spirit.

no one here can Support that Yah respects Christians any more than any other division, and frankly i aready know better than to even be here saying this to ppl who do not want to hear it i guess, yeh? Bc we all, every division, all of us, want to believe that Yah is a respecter of their persons. Fwiw i tell you that i love and enjoy the fact that ppl cannot put me in a box, and my replies to their literal queries that are not so much literal replies i guess, although i am trying to reply as honestly as i can, end up supporting that without me meaning it to; i usually take them as a spiritual question, so i um naturally try to give a thoughtful, spiritual reply (and hilarity generally ensues)

Again, People ARE individuals, and No I do not believe God IS a respector of people...
I believe God Loves ALL of His creations,
even when He is Disappointed in His creations.

..you have attached no Support K happy friday :)

Reference added.
Thanks. Have a blessed day.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Nondenom40]

And they can say what they want. It’s a silly, baseless argument.

The reality is that they broke away from the Church. The mere fact that there are literally DOZENS of disjointed and splintered sedevacantist factions is clear evidence of this.


Nice try . . .

Sorry for the delay. Basically its he said, she said. I've seen seds destroy post vat 2 catholics because encyclicals prior to vat 2 contradict what vat 2 says. Which is the reason for the split. Kinda like what your pope is doing today and causing no small uproar concerning doctrine or the faith in general. Your own cardinals have tried to bend his ear on some things and he hasn't responded. Wheres this whole 'take it to the church' thing happening when your own cardinals can't 'take it to the church'?

 

[epostle]

I have some Catholic friends that agree with primary doctrines of Christian Churches here in the US. Our disagreements are on secondary doctrines which doesn't bother me. If they want to wear long robes in church or swing containers of incense up and down the aisles, or wear big cross symbols on their chest, so be it. As long as their sole belief and faith are in Jesus Christ and do not become a stumbling block for new christians. These same friends do not agree wholeheartedly on everything that goes on at the Vatican.

So my question is, coming from a non Catholic background, do some Catholics really support the Vatican and the Pope trying to bring together Christians + Islam, THE CHRISLAM MOVEMENT ? Or is this just the Radical Catholics? My Catholic friends do not support the Chrislam Movement, so there must be different types/levels of Catholicism?

Someone please educate me?

The Lord Jesus Christ ONLY, is Worthy of all our Praise and Worship!

The Catholic Church has no part of any "Chrislam" movement. That is called false ecumenism. The Pope tries to stop genocides and mass starvation. To get anywhere he has to bring religious leaders together for meaningful dialogue and diplomatic solutions. So the Bible hate cults post pics with the Pope and Muslim leaders and jump to stupid conclusions and paranoid fantasies. The media is of no help.

Islam and Catholicism

 

[epostle]

just like every other Christian group, Catholics aren’t clones of each other. You’ll find a variety of beliefs, opinions, devotion levels, etc.

And there is ONE set of teachings. The Church does not have a police department. There have always been divisions, schisms, heresies and disputes. That's why we have councils and synods: to FIND the truth, not INVENT it.