I wonder where this might lead...

[Nancy]

So how do you see the current scenario with the melding of the new age through the UN, and the ecumenical movement and the increasing interest in returning to Rome from professed Protestants , and the global push from the Pope to unite....how do you see that fitting with prophecy?

Hi B.L.,
I know you did not ask this of me but, am chiming in for a sec. :)
I see all of the above moving to a revived Roman Empire. One of the 10 heads.
Revelation 17: 8- 13 perhaps is talking about the 6th head, meaning Rome of the time of Caesar Nero. I'm not at all certain that the fatal wound is the City of Rome or a person? I tend toward the City itself as, it was burned down way back when. Rome could very well be the 7th head of the end times. Or, maybe the EU is the 7th head?? This is very complicated stuff! But quite enlightening and interesting as all get out. And, "city of 7 hills" has always been considered Rome itself. I don;t know, all I can see is that all roads lead to Rome Well, except for OUR road!
What do you think about the AC being the one and same as the "false prophet"?
John never even used the term AC in his final vision in 95 AD...makes me think there is not 2 men of evil coming but, only one. I can see it both ways though as, I'm not well versed on it all. Interesting, that's for sure!

 

[Giuliano]

John never even used the term AC in his final vision in 95 AD...

I wish that people would use the words used in Revelation. I think introducing words used elsewhere confuses things.

 

[Nancy]

I wish that people would use the words used in Revelation. I think introducing words used elsewhere confuses things.

Sorry about that, like I said, I'm not very well versed in all of this. The vision Paul had in 95 A.D. was all written in Revelation and, when he wrote about the evil man coming, he only referred to him as the "false prophet". JMHO :)

 

[Giuliano]

Sorry about that, like I said, I'm not very well versed in all of this. The vision Paul had in 95 A.D. was all written in Revelation and, when he wrote about the evil man coming, he only referred to him as the "false prophet". JMHO :)

I was agreeing with you. You were right to point that out. I hesitate to use the word antichrist when talking about Revelation.

Who is well versed in it? :)

 

[bbyrd009]

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The concept of the serpent is very misunderstood. People cannot explain why Moses put a brass serpent on a pole or why Jesus compared himself to that serpent. Perhaps more mysteriously (if I may go New Agey on people), Messiah and serpent both equal 358 using standard gematria.

ah, not fam, ty. I can attest that there is some deliberate wisdom um shenanigans going on there...ha well, we are even told that wisdom is hidden from the wise, right. Nothing is at it seems on the surface in Scripture, imo. One's interp reveals their mind/heart, i think. "You dont read the Book, the Book reads you" to plagiarize an unfortunate ref :)

I wish that people would use the words used in Revelation. I think introducing words used elsewhere confuses things.

Sorry about that, like I said, I'm not very well versed in all of this. The vision Paul had in 95 A.D. was all written in Revelation and, when he wrote about the evil man coming, he only referred to him as the "false prophet". JMHO :)

Revelation 1:1 Lexicon: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,
be your own scribe imo; iow ignore even those English words above, or at least test them. all. even the conjunctions!

 

[Nancy]

I was agreeing with you. You were right to point that out. I hesitate to use the word antichrist when talking about Revelation.

Who is well versed in it? :)

"Who is well versed in it? " Hahaha...well, many think they are well versed in it and will not bend or open themselves to anything else. For myself, I will leave it open to discuss but, do not take what some say as correct or incorrect because well, I just don't know! :)

 

[4Jesus]

Sorry about that, like I said, I'm not very well versed in all of this. The vision Paul had in 95 A.D. was all written in Revelation and, when he wrote about the evil man coming, he only referred to him as the "false prophet". JMHO :)

In Revelation 19:20, the distinction is pretty clear that they are two beings, and not satan either (as he goes into the abyss for the 1000 years, while the beast and false prophet go straight tot the lake of fire): "20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Also, it was John the Revelator that scribed Revelation in 95 AD; Paul may have died by that point

 

[Nancy]

In Revelation 19:20, the distinction is pretty clear that they are two beings, and not satan either (as he goes into the abyss for the 1000 years, while the beast and false prophet go straight tot the lake of fire): "20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Also, it was John the Revelator that scribed Revelation in 95 AD; Paul may have died by that point

Oh gosh...I meant to say John!!!

 

[Giuliano]

"Who is well versed in it? " Hahaha...well, many think they are well versed in it and will not bend or open themselves to anything else. For myself, I will leave it open to discuss but, do not take what some say as correct or incorrect because well, I just don't know! :)

I wish you could see my face. I smiled when I read that. It can take time to "refine" the truth.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

 

[Giuliano]

Oh gosh...I meant to say John!!!

I figured that. :)

 

[Nancy]

In Revelation 19:20, the distinction is pretty clear that they are two beings, and not satan either (as he goes into the abyss for the 1000 years, while the beast and false prophet go straight tot the lake of fire): "20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Also, it was John the Revelator that scribed Revelation in 95 AD; Paul may have died by that point

What say you about this video?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

The concept of the serpent is very misunderstood. People cannot explain why Moses put a brass serpent on a pole or why Jesus compared himself to that serpent. Perhaps more mysteriously (if I may go New Agey on people), Messiah and serpent both equal 358 using standard gematria.

Here you're going "New Agey" (your term, not mine). Who cares about gematria? From what I can tell, this is a part of Jewish mysticism (aka Kabbalah).

I wish that people would use the words used in Revelation. I think introducing words used elsewhere confuses things.

And here you're saying stick with the Bible. So, which is it??

Christians use words that don't appear in the Bible to convey various truths based on Bible verses--Trinity, rapture, antichrist.... If you want to call the "antichrist" the "son of perdition" or "man of sin," or use other exact terms the Bible uses, that's fine. But don't expect people to necessarily understand what you're talking about. Just saying.

Where is @Enoch111 when we need him?? ;)

 

[4Jesus]

What say you about this video?

Hmm, I agree that the term "antichrist" doesn't appear in the book of Revelation. It was used earlier though, in 1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."

There's three main players on the evil side in Revelation:
-The dragon, satan, who gives power to the first beast
-The beast, who is the commander of the second beast, and who is worshipped
-The false prophet, who speaks for the first beast

The video was good. The verses in Revelation 19:20 clear up the designation of who the false prophet is (the second beast). To me, the first beast is the "Jesus Christ", by which the false prophet (coming up out of the earth - human), is a prophet for; since the first beast isn't Jesus Christ, that makes the false prophet...a false prophet ;). Thus the first beast could be considered "the antichrist". But I could be wrong, so *shrug* :)

 

[Giuliano]

Here you're going "New Agey" (your term, not mine). Who cares about gematria? From what I can tell, this is a part of Jewish mysticism (aka Kabbalah).

John in Revelation gave it some credence. If you knew more about astrology, you also might see some astrological references in Revelation.

I also note that you have no answer about why Jesus compared himself to the serpent on the pole. Now if you studied the constellations, they also might provide a clue or two.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

And here you're saying stick with the Bible. So, which is it??

I like to keep things sorted out. I don't want to "take out" a word from Scripture and "insert" my own.

Christians use words that don't appear in the Bible to convey various truths based on Bible verses--Trinity, rapture, antichrist.... If you want to call the "antichrist" the "son of perdition" or "man of sin," or use other exact terms the Bible uses, that's fine. But don't expect people to necessarily understand what you're talking about. Just saying.

Why use other words? Why play that kind of game with the Bible? I don't assume I know better than the authors what words they should have used.

If I use the same words the Bible uses and people don't understand me, does that mean they also don't understand the Bible? I don't think you thought your post through.

 

[Giuliano]

Hmm, I agree that the term "antichrist" doesn't appear in the book of Revelation. It was used earlier though, in 1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."

There's three main players on the evil side in Revelation:
-The dragon, satan, who gives power to the first beast
-The beast, who is the commander of the second beast, and who is worshipped
-The false prophet, who speaks for the first beast

The video was good. The verses in Revelation 19:20 clear up the designation of who the false prophet is (the second beast). To me, the first beast is the "Jesus Christ", by which the false prophet (coming up out of the earth - human), is a prophet for; since the first beast isn't Jesus Christ, that makes the false prophet...a false prophet ;). Thus the first beast could be considered "the antichrist". But I could be wrong, so *shrug* :)

Think about it. If antichrist was already in the world when John wrote that epistle, should we believe Revelation is predicting something that already happened? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Giuliano]

What say you about this video?

John gives us a definition for what "anitchrist" means. I can't see the Pope as being on the side of antichrist, not using John's definition.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

John in Revelation gave it some credence.

Gave what some credence, New Age thought?? New Age beliefs are antithetical to Bible truth. New Age teaches that "I AM GOD." You seem to be well versed in the Bible enough to know that the Bible teaches that there is one God, and we're not God. The only human being who ever was or will be God is Jesus Christ, who is God incarnate.

If you want to believe that "I AM GOD," and bow down to me and worship me, fine. LOL! Actually, I don't think that's what you want to do at all. And hopefully, I would be like Paul in Acts 28, and I wouldn't receive your worship.

If you knew more about astrology, you also might see some astrological references in Revelation.

Define "astrology." How are you using this word?

 

[brakelite]

Here's are some interesting quotes by so-called "Christian mystics" which reveal the pantheistic basis for all mysticism:

The mystic recognized and holds "that far removed from ordinary paths and interests, even in the order of the soul, there is a grand experiment possible, and that some have achieved it." (1) This experiment is a spiritual process which demonstrates the possibility in this present life and in this body of humiliation of knowing God. By means of this spiritual operation, the mystic can accomplish a "reversion to the fontal source of souls," and enter "into an ecstatic communion with the universal consciousness."

(1) A. E. Waite, A Book of Mystery and Vision, p. x.

Source: Aspects of Christian Mysticism by William Major Scott​

What is this "universal consciousness" that William Scott is saying the Christian can enter into?

New Thought author Charles Haanel said of the universal mind and its relationship to humans:

The Universal Mind [also called Universal Consciousness], being infinite and omnipotent, has unlimited resources at its command, and when we remember that it is also omnipresent, we cannot escape the conclusion that we must be an expression or manifestation of that Mind. A recognition and understanding of the resources of the subconscious mind will indicate that the only difference between the subconscious and the Universal is one of degree. They differ only as a drop of water differs from the ocean. They are the same in kind and quality, the difference is one of degree only.[2] (emphasis in bold added)
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Ernest Holmes, the founder of the Science of Mind movement, described the universal mind as follows:

The Universal Mind contains all knowledge. It is the potential ultimate of all things. To It all things are possible.[1]
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Source: Universal mind - Wikipedia​

Cosmic consciousness... Christ consciousness... Cosmic Christ... All buzz words which in the final analysis means... You can be gods.

 

[brakelite]

Hi B.L.,
I know you did not ask this of me but, am chiming in for a sec. :)
I see all of the above moving to a revived Roman Empire. One of the 10 heads.
Revelation 17: 8- 13 perhaps is talking about the 6th head, meaning Rome of the time of Caesar Nero. I'm not at all certain that the fatal wound is the City of Rome or a person? I tend toward the City itself as, it was burned down way back when. Rome could very well be the 7th head of the end times. Or, maybe the EU is the 7th head?? This is very complicated stuff! But quite enlightening and interesting as all get out. And, "city of 7 hills" has always been considered Rome itself. I don;t know, all I can see is that all roads lead to Rome Well, except for OUR road!
What do you think about the AC being the one and same as the "false prophet"?
John never even used the term AC in his final vision in 95 AD...makes me think there is not 2 men of evil coming but, only one. I can see it both ways though as, I'm not well versed on it all. Interesting, that's for sure!

Thanks for your thoughts Nancy...I do have some rather different ideas, and will offer them at some stage.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Cosmic consciousness... Christ consciousness... Cosmic Christ... All buzz words which in the final analysis means... You can be gods.

Yes, and this concept is central to New Age mysticism and the occult.