The Great Second Exodus

[Keraz]

Jeremiah 16:14-15 The days are coming, declares the Lord; when it will no longer be said: As surely as the Lord lives, Who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt, but it will be said: As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites [now; every faithful Christian] up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them. For I will restore them to the land I gave their ancestors.


This is referred to as the ‘Second Exodus‘ and does not only refer to the return of Jews to the Land of Israel after World War 2, but to the Return also of millions of re-identified Ten Tribers who have lost their identity among the nations where they were exiled for 2730 years. The immensity of such a vast re-identification and Return will totally overshadow the original miracle filled Exodus from Egypt, according to Jeremiah.

The principle is that the Lord uses periods of travail upon His People to purify and strengthen them spiritually. Their struggles with hardship, adversity and misfortune serve to mold them into the righteous likeness which they must have to be part of His Kingdom and to be in His service.

This Divine method is not just used in the final refining process of His elect, but, throughout all humanity, even as initial Calls for their heart and minds. The Lord constantly calls on those who know Him not, who rebel against Him, but, in response, like Pharaoh, they challenge Him, for they do not wish to acknowledge Him. First God appeals to their emotions, but, like against Pharaoh, after the first Plagues, God changes His approach and even hardens his heart, while appealing to his intellect.

We, the people of Judah and Christian Israel today, when applying the allegory of ‘Pharaoh’ to ourselves, are also hard of heart against His Calls for higher devotion and commitment. This has become especially evident as we now approach the Final Redemption.

Then, like with Pharaoh, God “puts on the screws” when He calls for final refining. This time He is using a different method. He is appealing to our intellectual resources rather than our emotional. The troubles may increase, physical persecution may become a reality (like through wars or anti-Semitic onslaughts even on our lives). It is all about a higher Calling for our final refining.

As we approach the reality of the last few years before Jesus Returns, there are things that have to change and need to be achieved:

· The restoration and recognition of the Lost House of Israel, consisting of the ten Northern Tribes in exile among the nations, lost to history, but not to God. Amos 9:9

· Reconciliation has to be achieved between these re-identifying and returning Lost House of Israel and the House of Judah before Peace can be established which will enable the Return of the Shekinah (visible Divine Presence) of God to the holy Land. Ezekiel 37, 43:1-4

· Judah: the Jews, must recognize Joseph, the Christian peoples, as the now Chosen people of God. John 15:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9. Ephesians 1:11-14 The people who have received the Kingdom; Matthew 21:43

· Joseph/Ephraim, the Ten Tribes, the peoples who have generally believed the Gospel and accepted the Salvation offered by Jesus, has to turn away from their inherited pride and rebellion against Judah (as their fathers did for which they were exiled ). As the returnee Prodigal son, they have to respect and acknowledge their ‘Brother’ Judah who has been keeping ‘The House of their Father’ during their exile ‘to the pig sties’ of paganism. They should shake off their arrogance of pride in rediscovery of Torah principles and rather than try to ‘save’ Judah, humble themselves and acknowledge the Divine Mandate of Judah as the Lawgiver of God,’ Psalms 60:7, 108:8


Like God did with Pharaoh, He will “put on the screws” in this final refining. He will be appealing to our intellectual rather than our emotional spirituality. The world is facing catastrophic culmination for its evil empire Babylon which it has been building throughout nearly 6000 years. The Sabbath Millennia is at the door.

Jeremiah 46:27-28
“Do not be afraid, Jacob, [all 12 Tribes of Israel] My servants;
do not be dismayed, Israel. I will surely save you out of a distant place; your descendants from the land of their exile.
Jacob will again have peace and security and no one will make him afraid.
Do not be afraid, Jacob my servant, for I am with you,” declares the Lord.
“Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you,
I will not completely destroy you.
I will discipline you but only in due measure;
I will not let you go entirely unpunished.”

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

This is a major study in the prophets leading to the N.T. revelation.
In a recent book by Bryan Estelle...called Echoes In Exodus, He pulls together several writings to investigate this serious issue.

Echoes of Exodus: Tracing a Biblical Motif

 

[Keraz]

Thanks A.D'A.
We don't really need to read books written by people on this subject, as the Bible prophets make it quite clear for us:
Isaiah 35:1-10 The holy Land will become like the garden of Eden.....The Lord's people, set free will enter with shouts of triumph...

Isaiah 60:4-12 Look: The people are coming, some from far away, in vessels that sail along like the clouds, that fly like doves. They bring their treasures with them, and flocks of livestock will be acceptable offerings on the altar of My Temple.

Isaiah 61:2b-11 ....a Day of vengeance of our God, then comfort to all who mourn, they will be called ‘trees of righteousness’, planted by the Lord. They will rebuild the ruined cities; aliens will help you bring the Land back to prosperity. Great will be your wealth and renown.

Isaiah 66:18-20 I am coming to gather peoples of every tongue; they will come to see My glory. From the entire world, in every type of conveyance, they come as an offering to the Lord.

Jeremiah 30:18-22 I shall restore the fortunes of Jacobs clans, the houses will be rebuilt and the Land made prosperous. A ruler will appear, one of themselves – he will approach Me. Hosea 1:11

Jeremiah 23:3 I, Myself will gather the remnant of My sheep from all the lands to which I have dispersed them; I shall bring them back to their rightful homes and they will be fruitful and increase.

Ezekiel 34:11-16 The Lord will gather His sheep from wherever they are after His Day of fiery wrath. They will live in all of the holy Land in peace and prosperity.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

K,
You suggest no need to read books written by others.
Random scriptures need to be understood.
There is a New Exodus.
It might be different than what you are trying to indicate.
Your posts are not different from what can be found in some of the books written,in fact they might come to some different conclusions than you do.

 

[Keraz]

The Great Chapter of Isaiah 29:1-24:

What will happen very soon:
Suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the heavens. The Lord will act in His wrath against all those who make war against Jerusalem, all those who surround Israel. With a great noise amid flames of devouring fire, earthquakes and powerful storms, they will disappear like a dream, like a vision of the night – gone when you awake. So it will be with the horde of nations who attack the holy Land. They will crumble into dust and be blown away like chaff. Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Revelation 6:12-17
This is quite a different event from Armageddon, it is the many prophesied Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a literal day of a Coronal Mass Ejection sunspot explosion, that will literally fulfil all of the over 100 prophesies about that terrible Day. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7

But, disaster will come to those who live in the Land, there will be mourning and tears when the Lord makes Jerusalem His fire altar. He will bring those people down, the survivors will hide underground, their voices will squeak out of the earth. Isaiah 31:5, Zechariah 13:8-9

The Lord’s people – Jews and Christians:

Because My people worship Me with empty words and pay Me lip service, while their hearts are far from Me and their religion is but human doctrines learnt by rote, therefore I shall shock them again and again. The wisdom of their learned people will vanish and all discernment will be lost. Matthew 11:25-26

Woe to those who try to hide their devious plans from the Lord. All those who say: Who can see what we do? Who knows our plans? Do not think your Maker is unaware of your doings, you are placing yourself higher than Him, if you think that. 1 Peter 3:12

Belief in wrong teaching leads to an inability to understand the truth:

If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused, if you blind yourself, you will stay blinded. Be drunk, but not with strong drink, for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor. He has closed your eyes to prophetic understanding and muffled your heads; your so called, wise teachers. For you the Prophetic vision of the end times is like a sealed book that you cannot read. Isaiah 6:9-10, Acts 13:41

The Word of the Lord to the descendants of Abraham, all the true Christian people of God:

This is no time for you to be distressed, not a time for you to be frightened, for you will praise and worship My Name, [Jesus] when you see what has been done in your midst. [1 Peter 1:5] You will hold sacred your Redeemer and regard your God with awe. THEN the confused will understand and those who refused instruction will believe the truth. Isaiah 32:3-4

The holy Land Regenerated: Ezekiel 36:8

In a very short time Lebanon [and all of the holy Land] will be brought back from ruin to like a garden land and good fertile land will be as common as scrubland is now. Joel 3:18

The Lord will send rain immediately after the terrible fires and earthquakes of the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, as described in Isaiah 30:25

The veil of misunderstanding will be lifted then: Isaiah 32:4

On that Day the deaf will hear with understanding the Words of scripture and the spiritually blinded will see the truth. The lowly will once again rejoice in the Lord and the poor will exult in the Holy One of Israel. For the ungodly and the arrogant will cease to exist. Those who are quick to find mischief and those who falsely accuse others or lay traps for the unwary; all these will be cut down and perish. Isaiah 66:17, 2 Peter 3:7

The Great Exodus of the Lord’s righteous people to their inheritance:

On that Day, [NOT the Return, but at the next prophesied event.] the Lord will exert His power a second time to recover the remnant of His people from wherever they are scattered around the world. Isaiah 49:12-13, Isaiah 66:20
He will make a sign to the nations and gather those dispersed of the House of Israel, [now the Christian peoples] He will assemble Judah’s scattered people and the enmity between Israel and Judah will cease. Ezekiel 37:13-28

Jeremiah 50:4-5 In those days and at that time, [when the holy land is totally depopulated by the Sixth Seal event] the people of Israel and Judah will come together an in tears will go in search for the Lord their God. They will go to Zion, the holy Land and make a new, everlasting Covenant with the Lord.
Ref. REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Keraz,
I like this thread and that you discuss this issue, but disagree with your earthly framework, vs. a heavenly framework

 

[Keraz]

Keraz,
I like this thread and that you discuss this issue, but disagree with your earthly framework, vs. a heavenly framework

The idea of the Church going to heaven at any time, is simply not a Biblical doctrine.
As you can see in the scriptures I post, [I have plenty more yet] it is on the earth that the end times events take place for the Lord's people. Then after it all, God Himself will come to the earth and dwell with mankind. Revelation 21:1-7

WE Christians can look forward to receiving the great Promises of God to His people, as they all; people from every tribe of Israel, every race, nation and language, live as God always wanted His people to be. Revelation 5:10, Isaiah 66:18b-21
They will prosper and He will protect them, Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Heb12:22-24...rev6.... are not on earth.

 

[Keraz]

Heb12:22-24...rev6.... are not on earth.

Your unsupported opinion, I disagree;
Hebrews 12:22-24 tells us that we Christians are enrolled in heaven; in the Book of Life, not that we ever go to live there.

The whole Book of Revelation, is the story of earthly happenings. At the end of it all, God will come to dwell on earth with mankind. Revelation 21:1-7

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Your unsupported opinion, I disagree;
Hebrews 12:22-24 tells us that we Christians are enrolled in heaven; in the Book of Life, not that we ever go to live there.

The whole Book of Revelation, is the story of earthly happenings. At the end of it all, God will come to dwell on earth with mankind. Revelation 21:1-7

Like I said..good thread, but different conclusions

Have come (4334) (proserchomai from prós = facing + erchomai = come) means literally to come facing toward and so to approach or come near. To come to visit or associate with. It describes the approach to or entry into a deity’s presence. In the Septuagint (LXX) proserchomai was the verb used to describe the approach of the priests to Jehovah for worship and to perform of their priestly (Levitical) functions. But here in Hebrews, under the New covenant, all seven uses of proserchomai refer to believers possessing the privilege of access to God the Father through Christ the Great High Priest.

The writer uses the perfect tense which views this heavenly possession of Mt Zion as already attained by those who have believed the new covenant and emphasizes that this heavenly possession is their possession forever.

In spirit they were residents of the city already, though in body they were strangers and aliens on earth. That there is yet to be an earthly manifestation of the city is clear from the later reference in Hebrews 13:14-note to “the city which is yet to come.”

rev6;
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Longman on Hebrews 12:22-24 - These verses form one long sentence, which begins with the strongly contrasting clause But you have come to and continues with a series of nine descriptive phrases identifying the place and the people that represent the Christian’s true destination (In the Greek, each of the nine phrases is introduced by “and” except for “the heavenly Jerusalem,” which stands in apposition to “the city of the living God.” The first three phrases identify the place, while the remainder speak of its inhabitants). For have come to(proserchomai) as a term for the relationship with God that results from Christ’s saving work, see Heb 4:16-note; Heb 7:2-note, and cf. Heb 10:22-note; Heb 11:6-note. It is important to note that the author speaks not merely of a future hope (as he did when speaking of the patriarchs in Heb 11:10, 13–16) but of a salvation already achieved—“you have come”; those who belong to Christ are already citizens of Mount Zion. The author is calling them not to a new status but to appreciate and enjoy what is already theirs. (Ed: This begs the question beloved - do we understand our new status? Do we truly give thanks to God for our new status? We can hardly do so if we don't comprehend this aspect of what Jesus accomplished for us). (Expositor's Bible Commentary)

 

[Keraz]

Like I said..good thread, but different conclusions

So you want God to take you to heaven?
I can see no reason He would do that. He has angels to serve Him there and He formed mankind to inhabit the physical universe.
This whole idea of God's seems to be about getting a group of people who have freely chosen to love and obey Him. A people who would be His witnesses and His light to the nations. We cannot do that while in heaven.

Note; that the holy people of God are on earth when the Anti-Christ conquers them 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns. Daniel 7:23, Revelation 13:7

 

[marks]

The writer uses the perfect tense which views this heavenly possession of Mt Zion as already attained by those who have believed the new covenant and emphasizes that this heavenly possession is their possession forever.

Hi Anthony,

Good point to bring out!

Much love!

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Hi Anthony,

Good point to bring out!

Much love!

Hello marks,
i am not trying to step on Keraz fine thread. I have been studying this for awhile am I am certainly a work in progress, so I can just suggest things to examine. keraz has a kind of premill view, which i held at one time, but have been re-examining that for several years now.

 

[Keraz]

The story of the House of Israel’s redemption is not my theory, it is the major theme of almost all the prophets and Jesus himself said: “I have come to save the lost sheep of Israel”.

My task, as my name in Hebrew means “keraz = herald or messenger”, is to point out the Scriptures that describe God’s dealings with His Israelite people, who are now every faithful Christian of every tribe, race, nation and language. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10
In particular; His plans for the imminent future of this world.

If you believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, then it is necessary to believe ALL of what it says to us. We are told the wonderful story of our personal redemption through the atonement made for us by Jesus Christ. “All who believe in Me and call on My Name shall be saved”.

We are asked to be ‘salt and light’ in order to help redeem others. We do good works, because once we accept the Lordship of Christ, that is our desire. But, eternal life is a free gift to us and is the ultimate reward for those who remain firm in faith to their Creator.

The Bible speaks of ‘His People, Israel’. Originally these people were only the descendants of Jacob, but they failed to obey the covenant that God had made with them. They are now scattered throughout the world and are mostly unaware of their ancestral identity. Only part of the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin [the Jews] have returned to just part of the Land, at present. As in ancient times, aliens and foreigners could join Israel and the New Testament promises redemption for all who believe and remain faithful to God. Romans 2:9-11


The great theme of the Old Testament is the story of Israel. How they were chosen as God’s people to be His witnesses [Isaiah 43:10] and His light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8 Their sojourn in Egypt, their settling in the Land, their sins and dispersion - of Israel, then Judah. That story is a precursor of the final fulfilment of the many prophecies stating how His rejoined People will live in the Land in peace and security, forever. God says that He has not forgotten or rejected them. Isaiah 49:15-16. Amos 9:9. Isaiah 14:1 The Lord will again show compassion for Jacob and once again make Israel His choice. He will resettle them on their own soil and aliens will join them. The Lord will do this for the sake of His great Name. Ezekiel 36:22-28 THEY; every faithful Christian; will be the Lords witnesses, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations; Matthew 5:14-16

As in any development process, there are several steps. For nearly 2000 years, the Church of Jesus Christ has tried to fulfil the Commission of preaching the gospel of the coming Kingdom of God. Seven stages or types of Churches are described in Revelation 2 & 3, and the last one, Laodicea, describes very well the general condition of today’s church.

The final regathering and resettling of the righteous Israelites [every faithful Christian] into all [Ezekiel 47:13-23] of the Promised Land is a great story yet to happen. Although the Jewish people have commenced this process, they will be judged along with the Islamic nations, as it is not God’s plan for Israel to be a secular state. Jeremiah 12:14-17, Zephaniah 1:4-6, Jeremiah 8:5-12, Isaiah 4:3-4.

There are over 40 Bible passages that describe the return of His people to all the area given to Abraham, so long ago. This will be made possible by the event graphically described in many prophecies, as the Lord’s Day of vengeance and fiery wrath. Deut 32:34-43, Isaiah 30:26-28, Isa 66:15-18, Ezekiel 21:3-7, Habakkuk 3:12-13, Malachi 4:1-3, Revelation 6:12-17. Isaiah 63:1-6, 2 Peter 3:7

The righteous Christians Israelites: Ezekiel 20:34-38, Amos 9:10, Isaiah 35, Romans 9:24-26, will then enter the Land, to live there in peace and prosperity, in order to prepare for the eventual Return of Jesus.

They will face further testing, such as the Gog attack and the rise of the Anti Christ, who will make a peace treaty with Israel. But, this treaty marks the start of the 70th week (7 years) of Daniel, and after 3½ years, he will invade Israel, beginning the Tribulation. The Lord Jesus will Return in His glory exactly 1260 days later.

Daniel 12:1-3, says how those who keep their faith ‘will shine like the stars, forever’.

 

[Keraz]

At the great gathering into the promised Land, as described to us by the prophets, the Lord’s righteous people: every faithful Christian, will march proudly to music as they enter their heritage. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ephesians 1:10-14
Their Redeemer and Deliverer is waiting to show them His favour, He will guide and protect them, in the same manner as He did with their ancestors during the Exodus from Egypt. 1 Corinthians 10:1-5
The Land will blossom and flourish, Isaiah 35:1-10 and they will live there in peace and security, excepting for a 3½ year period of control by the Anti Christ. Then will come the return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.

Isaiah 30:18 Yet the Lord is waiting to show you His favour, He yearns to have pity on you. Happy are those who wait on Him!

Ezekiel 20:34-38 By My strong arm and outpoured wrath, I shall bring you out from among the peoples and gather you from the lands where you have been dispersed. I shall bring you into a desert place and bring you into judgement, as I did with your ancestors out of Egypt. I shall pass you under the rod of judgement and count you as you enter Israel. Those who revolt and rebel against Me will not enter the Land.
‘outpoured wrath’ refers to the next prophesied event – the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath and vengeance, that destroys His enemies and cleanses the Land by fire. The Christian Israelites will then march into and take over all that area promised, so long ago to Abraham.

Ezekiel 36:8 You: Land of Israel – grow your trees and yield your fruit, for the homecoming of My people, Israel, is near. [The Israelites of God]

Micah 4:6 On that Day, I shall gather those who are lost, I shall assemble the dispersed.

Micah 2:12 I will assemble you, the whole House of Jacob. [now every faithful Christian] I will gather you together with those remaining in Israel and herd them like sheep in a fold.

Jeremiah 3:22 Come back, you apostate people and I shall heal you. Here we are, our God, we are coming back to You.

Jeremiah 31:8-9 See how I bring My people from the ends of the earth, a vast company – they come home, weeping and repentant. I shall comfort them and lead them on smooth paths.

Isaiah 43:19 I am about to do something new, can you see it? I will make a path for My people.

Isaiah 58:11 The Lord will guide you, He will satisfy your needs in the desert and give strength.

Isaiah 62:10 Pass through the gates, clear a road for My people and mark their way.

Isaiah 42:16 Without fail, I shall lead the blind and guide My people along paths unknown to them.

Psalms 68:7-9 The Lord, leading His people, marching through the desert- the earth shakes and rain pours down. Isaiah 44:3

Isaiah 30:29 For you there will be joyful singing, as you march into Israel, the Holy Land of God.

Isaiah 40:26-31 Lift your eyes to the heavens, consider your Creator, He leads His people out – each summoned by name, none are missing. He gives strength to the exhausted and those who look to Him will not faint, they march as on eagles wings.


Obadiah 19:21 My people will possess the Negev, Samaria, Northern and southern Jordan and all the coastlands of the Mediterranean.

Isaiah 49:8-11 The Lord says: In the time of My favour, on the Day of Deliverance, I will come to your aid, you are My people destined to be a light to the nations and to restore the Land. Go free now and in the Land you will find food and water in plenty. It will not be too hot when the One who loves them will guide them along highways. My people, coming from all parts of the world, will shout for joy as they enter their Land. For God has comforted His people in their distress.
Reference REB. Some verses abridged.

 

[Keraz]

Isaiah 66:5-6 Hear the Word of the Lord, you who revere His Name and keep His commandments. Those scoffers who say: Where is Jesus? When will your so-called God do anything? They will be shocked, for with a great noise His retribution will fall upon them. 2 Peter 3:3-10

Isaiah 63:18 Why have ungodly people trespassed on Your holy place? Why do enemies trample the holy Land? Psalm 37:10-11, Jeremiah 6:12

Jeremiah 12:8-17 Is this Land of Mine a hyena’s lair? The birds of prey and the wild beasts have taken My holy Land over, they ravage it and trample it down, making it a desolation, to My sorrow. The Lord says: I shall uproot all those evil neighbours who have encroached onto the Land that I allotted to My people. Judah too, I shall uproot, but if any of them learn the right ways of My people, then they can join and live again in the holy Land. My sword of punishment will devour the Land from end to end, no living thing will remain there. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 6:11-13

Psalms 7:12-16 The enemy prepares his weapons again, but it is against himself that he has made ready his deadly shafts, tipped with fire. They are all in collusion with iniquity and sinfulness, their plans for violence and terror will fall upon their own heads.

Psalms 68:1-3 May God arise and His enemies be scattered. He will disperse them like smoke. His fire will melt them like wax and they will perish in the heat of His wrath, but the righteous will be joyful, as they exult in the triumph of their God.

Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, all in an instant, punishment will come from God Almighty with thunder, earthquakes and a great noise, with storm tempest and flames of devouring fire. The horde of your enemies will crumble into dust, that multitude of ruthless foes will scatter like chaff. Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-16, Rev. 6:12-17


Micah 5:7-15 All the remnant of the descendants of Jacob, now dispersed among the nations, will become like dew from the Lord, they will look only to Him who saves them. Their enemy’s will be destroyed, but on that Day their military power will be lost, all the occult followers will die and any things of idol worship will be gone. Amos 9:10 In anger and fury the Lord will wreak vengeance on all the peoples who disobey Him. Isaiah 66:15-17

Zechariah 8:11-13 The Lord says: I do not feel the same now toward the remnant of My people, as I did in former days. Hosea 11:8-11 Now I shall save you and bless you, you will work the Land in safety, the sky will give rain and the soil will yield abundant produce. Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:23-27, Amos 9:13-15, Jer. 30:18-22
Ref: REB abridged and paraphrased.


Birds of prey and wild beasts have taken over My Land… and the evil neighbours… These are metaphors for the ungodly peoples who are now living in the holy Land.

The enemies deadly shafts, tipped with fire – an ancient description for a modern weapon: a nuke tipped missile. It is against themselves they have prepared their weapons and they will fall onto their own heads. All the weapons ready to fire at Israel will explode on the launch pad or in their bunkers. Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come in the heat of the Lord’s wrath, causing earthquakes with flames of fire that will burn His enemies to ashes. As described here and throughout the Bible, this will be a huge coronal mass ejection sun explosion that will fulfill all the graphic prophecies about the Lord’s judgement by fire. Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1 & 3

But the punishment by exile of Israel and Judah will be completed and the Lord will save and bless them. They will go back to their inheritance, all that area promised to Abraham, cleansed from end to end by this terrible devastation by fire. Many prophecies tell about the great second Exodus of righteous Christian Israelites to the holy Land, where they will work the Land in safety, being a light to the nations, all as originally meant for them. They will send out 144,000 missionaries to tell the world the gospel of the coming Kingdom of Jesus.

 

[Davy]

Jeremiah 16:14-15 The days are coming, declares the Lord; when it will no longer be said: As surely as the Lord lives, Who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt, but it will be said: As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites [now; every faithful Christian] up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them. For I will restore them to the land I gave their ancestors.


This is referred to as the ‘Second Exodus‘ and does not only refer to the return of Jews to the Land of Israel after World War 2, but to the Return also of millions of re-identified Ten Tribers who have lost their identity among the nations where they were exiled for 2730 years. The immensity of such a vast re-identification and Return will totally overshadow the original miracle filled Exodus from Egypt, according to Jeremiah.

The principle is that the Lord uses periods of travail upon His People to purify and strengthen them spiritually. Their struggles with hardship, adversity and misfortune serve to mold them into the righteous likeness which they must have to be part of His Kingdom and to be in His service.

This Divine method is not just used in the final refining process of His elect, but, throughout all humanity, even as initial Calls for their heart and minds. The Lord constantly calls on those who know Him not, who rebel against Him, but, in response, like Pharaoh, they challenge Him, for they do not wish to acknowledge Him. First God appeals to their emotions, but, like against Pharaoh, after the first Plagues, God changes His approach and even hardens his heart, while appealing to his intellect.

We, the people of Judah and Christian Israel today, when applying the allegory of ‘Pharaoh’ to ourselves, are also hard of heart against His Calls for higher devotion and commitment. This has become especially evident as we now approach the Final Redemption.

Then, like with Pharaoh, God “puts on the screws” when He calls for final refining. This time He is using a different method. He is appealing to our intellectual resources rather than our emotional. The troubles may increase, physical persecution may become a reality (like through wars or anti-Semitic onslaughts even on our lives). It is all about a higher Calling for our final refining.

As we approach the reality of the last few years before Jesus Returns, there are things that have to change and need to be achieved:

· The restoration and recognition of the Lost House of Israel, consisting of the ten Northern Tribes in exile among the nations, lost to history, but not to God. Amos 9:9

· Reconciliation has to be achieved between these re-identifying and returning Lost House of Israel and the House of Judah before Peace can be established which will enable the Return of the Shekinah (visible Divine Presence) of God to the holy Land. Ezekiel 37, 43:1-4

· Judah: the Jews, must recognize Joseph, the Christian peoples, as the now Chosen people of God. John 15:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9. Ephesians 1:11-14 The people who have received the Kingdom; Matthew 21:43

· Joseph/Ephraim, the Ten Tribes, the peoples who have generally believed the Gospel and accepted the Salvation offered by Jesus, has to turn away from their inherited pride and rebellion against Judah (as their fathers did for which they were exiled ). As the returnee Prodigal son, they have to respect and acknowledge their ‘Brother’ Judah who has been keeping ‘The House of their Father’ during their exile ‘to the pig sties’ of paganism. They should shake off their arrogance of pride in rediscovery of Torah principles and rather than try to ‘save’ Judah, humble themselves and acknowledge the Divine Mandate of Judah as the Lawgiver of God,’ Psalms 60:7, 108:8


Like God did with Pharaoh, He will “put on the screws” in this final refining. He will be appealing to our intellectual rather than our emotional spirituality. The world is facing catastrophic culmination for its evil empire Babylon which it has been building throughout nearly 6000 years. The Sabbath Millennia is at the door.

Jeremiah 46:27-28
“Do not be afraid, Jacob, [all 12 Tribes of Israel] My servants;
do not be dismayed, Israel. I will surely save you out of a distant place; your descendants from the land of their exile.
Jacob will again have peace and security and no one will make him afraid.
Do not be afraid, Jacob my servant, for I am with you,” declares the Lord.
“Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you,
I will not completely destroy you.
I will discipline you but only in due measure;
I will not let you go entirely unpunished.”

Just cannot agree with all of that brother, nor does God's Word.

I definitely agree about the gathering of lost Israel, but it won't happen until the day of Christ's return, as that is when the majority of them are going to find out about their heritage ties with old Israel.

I do not see orthodox Judah as being a just brother keeping the house of their Father, because many of them will be deceived by the coming Antichrist at the very end of this world just prior to Christ's return. A remnant of Judah is still there because of God's promise in 1 Kings 11, and not because they couldn't fall away again.

It still is our job to try and convert Judah to our Lord Jesus Christ. It is not for us (Christ's Church) to go into an orthodoxy of Jewish traditions on Torah.

 

[Keraz]

I definitely agree about the gathering of lost Israel, but it won't happen until the day of Christ's return, as that is when the majority of them are going to find out about their heritage ties with old Israel.

We do agree that there is the lost tribes of the house of Israel, still scattered among the nations. They are the Christian peoples, as Jesus' mission to save the lost sheep of Israel, WAS successful.

If you read all the many prophesies about the gathering and settling of the Lord's faithful Christian people into all of the holy Land, you would know that it will happen before Jesus Returns. Psalms 107
Proved by how they will elect their own leaders; Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21, Ezekiel 46:16

 

[Davy]

We do agree that there is the lost tribes of the house of Israel, still scattered among the nations. They are the Christian peoples, as Jesus' mission to save the lost sheep of Israel, WAS successful.

If you read all the many prophesies about the gathering and settling of the Lord's faithful Christian people into all of the holy Land, you would know that it will happen before Jesus Returns. Psalms 107
Proved by how they will elect their own leaders; Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21, Ezekiel 46:16

Psalms 107 is hinting about the future restoration of both houses, but it's not giving the when. There are many OT examples of God gathering His faithful but not all of them reveal the timing.

Hosea 1:10 Apostle Paul quoted to Roman Gentiles in Romans 9:24-26. Thus Hosea 1:11 is about the whole Church gathered, which we know from other Scripture is only when Jesus returns.

In Jeremiah 30, earlier in the chapter we are told about "Jacob's trouble", which is symbolic for the time of great tribulation at the very end of this present world. Then He mentions David their king being raised up unto them, which is after Christ's return, for He is to inherit the throne of His father David (Acts 2:29-30; Matthew 25:31). That right there sets the timing of their gathering, i.e., when Jesus returns.

Ezekiel 40 through 47 is all future Millennial timing, after Christ's return at Ezekiel 40. The Gog and Hamongog event of Ezekiel 38 & 39 is for this present world at the very end when Jesus returns.

In Isaiah 11:12, we are shown this gathering of the children of Israel back to the holy lands again, and definite events associated with the world to come are aligned with it. Even Isaiah 11:1-5 reveals Christ is reigning with His rod of iron over the nations at that time, meaning He has returned and taken power.

 

[Keraz]

Even Isaiah 11:1-5 reveals Christ is reigning with His rod of iron over the nations at that time, meaning He has returned and taken power.

I have to dispute your belief of when the gathering of the Lord's people into all of the holy Land takes place.

The great gathering of all the Lord's faithful people, from every tribe, race, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9, will take place soon after the Day of cloud and darkness; the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Ezekiel 34:11-16 makes this clear. Many times Ezekiel says how His people will know He is the Lord, who helps them. By His actions - not His presence.
This is proved by Daniel 7:23 and Revelation 13:7, where they are in the Land when the AC is ruling the One World Govt. We Christians will not be a part of the OWG.

Having His people together in His Land, is the culmination of God's desire and it is our destiny to be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:6-8, Matthew 5:14-16