Scripture is not the last word.

[tzcho2]

More psycho' projections from the blind in spirit.

Meanwhile, I glorify the Spirit, and you tear down "what the spirit says to the churches."

No, I've not heard you glorifying the HOLY SPIRIT, I've just heard you many times implying or saying the Bible is limited. FYI, it is The Holy Spirit Who wrote the scripture.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

No, the Pharisees' error was they believed "the scriptures is all you need to be a complete servant of God", instead of believing in the Spirit that inspired the scriptures.

And here we go again.

Wrong, the Pharisees believed in the oral law more than anything and the oral law was not scripture the oral law was not inspired by God. Jesus Christ tells us in scripture that they meaning the Pharisees makes scripture void by their tradition(the oral law)

 

[ScottA]

No, I've not heard you glorifying the HOLY SPIRIT, I've just heard you many times implying or saying the Bible is limited. FYI, it is The Holy Spirit Who wrote the scripture.

Okay, my mistake, so you are deaf too. My apologies.

But why do you contradict yourself to say the Holy Spirit wrote the scriptures, and then deny that they are more than the words on paper and cannot be contained in the world, and therefore must be discerned spiritually?

 

[ScottA]

Wrong, the Pharisees believed in the oral law more than anything and the oral law was not scripture the oral law was not inspired by God. Jesus Christ tells us in scripture that they meaning the Pharisees makes scripture void by their tradition(the oral law)

Okay, so you missed the comparison of them believing in what was written instead of believing in Him who inspired what was written, as many here also now do...apparently, including yourself.

Thanks for standing up and being counted with those who find greater value in what is seen, than in what is unseen. But I would remind you that the bottom line here is, God is spirit, and to make a case against that End, such as you now do, is ill advised.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Okay, so you missed the comparison of them believing in what was written instead of believing in Him who inspired what was written, as many here also now do...apparently, including yourself.

Thanks for standing up and being counted with those who find greater value in what is seen, than in what is unseen. But I would remind you that the bottom line here is, God is spirit, and to make a case against that End, such as you now do, is ill advised.

I simply am saying that the Pharisees were saying they were Gods true servants and that they had Gods backing in the oral law which was not true. The people feared them because of the authority they had, telling the people in Israel not to pay any attention to what Jesus Christ and his disciples had to say. They at one point called Jesus Christ the ruler of the demons. There have been too many people like this in the world getting people to listen to them rather than the scriptures. I think we all should learn from that rather than ignore it. The true test for what is from God is that it doesn't contradict scripture which means you should be able to search the scriptures to see if what anyone is saying, the scriptures agree. It's my opinion you put down the scriptures too eagerly, I will not do that. What is truly ill-advised is for someone to ignore scripture. The scriptures have the final say as what belongs to God or what's from God and if you are against the scriptures having the final say on a matter well that's your personal problem, it's not everyone's else problem. Speak out against the rest of us as you like but when someone says something is from the God of the Bible then I will check those scriptures in the Bible to check if that person is in agreement with scripture.

 

[tzcho2]

Okay, my mistake, so you are deaf too. My apologies.

But why do you contradict yourself to say the Holy Spirit wrote the scriptures, and then deny that they are more than the words on paper and cannot be contained in the world, and therefore must be discerned spiritually?

There is no contradiction in my statements.
As you do with the scriptures , you misrepresent my statements also, surprise, surprise...

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Okay, so you missed the comparison of them believing in what was written instead of believing in Him who inspired what was written, as many here also now do...apparently, including yourself.

The Pharisees didn't believe in what was written if they did they never would have called Jesus the ruler of the demons or asked for his death. The scriptures spoke all about the Messiah gave all the scriptural evidence you needed to recognize him but they didn't why, because they were Satan disciples just as Jesus said. Do you honestly believe Satan or his disciples believe in what is written in scripture?

 

[tabletalk]

Okay, so you missed the comparison of them believing in what was written instead of believing in Him who inspired what was written, as many here also now do...apparently, including yourself.

Thanks for standing up and being counted with those who find greater value in what is seen, than in what is unseen. But I would remind you that the bottom line here is, God is spirit, and to make a case against that End, such as you now do, is ill advised.

You said:
"….the comparison of them believing in what was written instead of believing in Him who inspired what was written,…"

No competition there. Believe both.

 

[ScottA]

I simply am saying that the Pharisees were saying they were Gods true servants and that they had Gods backing in the oral law which was not true. The people feared them because of the authority they had, telling the people in Israel not to pay any attention to what Jesus Christ and his disciples had to say. They at one point called Jesus Christ the ruler of the demons. There have been too many people like this in the world getting people to listen to them rather than the scriptures. I think we all should learn from that rather than ignore it. The true test for what is from God is that it doesn't contradict scripture which means you should be able to search the scriptures to see if what anyone is saying, the scriptures agree. It's my opinion you put down the scriptures too eagerly, I will not do that. What is truly ill-advised is for someone to ignore scripture. The scriptures have the final say as what belongs to God or what's from God and if you are against the scriptures having the final say on a matter well that's your personal problem, it's not everyone's else problem. Speak out against the rest of us as you like but when someone says something is from the God of the Bible then I will check those scriptures in the Bible to check if that person is in agreement with scripture.

The Pharisees are a better example of not hearing what the Spirit says to the churches, rather than just relying on the scriptures. They are just one example of how not to do things, there were also the religious leaders and lawyers.

The point is, that He who inspired the scriptures has now poured out His spirit upon all flesh...and yes, that means many will abuse that power against God unto judgment and their own demise. But that does not mean that He has not changed from writing His word on tables, to writing in the hearts of those who are born of the spirit of God, because He has. In other words, if you advocate for the scriptures against the Spirit...it is anti-Christ.

But don't misunderstand my position, I am not against the scriptures, but for both, but, "first the natural, then the spiritual" just as it is written. That is what this thread and discussion is about. But some have come in the spirit of anti-Christ.

 

[ScottA]

There is no contradiction in my statements.
As you do with the scriptures , you misrepresent my statements also, surprise, surprise...

So, what are you saying...that the bible/scriptures are not limited in their written form and have no need of being discerned spiritually?

 

[ScottA]

The Pharisees didn't believe in what was written if they did they never would have called Jesus the ruler of the demons or asked for his death. The scriptures spoke all about the Messiah gave all the scriptural evidence you needed to recognize him but they didn't why, because they were Satan disciples just as Jesus said. Do you honestly believe Satan or his disciples believe in what is written in scripture?

The Pharisees are not what we are talking about here...they were just an example of what not to do.

But you make a good point. That is exactly the circumstance here and now: Some are acting as if the scriptures do not give all the evidence needed to know that the plan of God headed by Jesus has gone from writing on tablets, to writing in hearts (spiritually). And, yes, they are doing Satan's work.

I do not believe Satan and his disciples believe what the scriptures say, I know it, for that is what the scriptures say. James 2:19 But more importantly they use the scriptures against God and His children...just as is now being done here by some.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Ironically, no once again, the Pharasees were MORE like yourself in their demeaners & thinking THEY spoke For GOD . Like you, they were reinterpreting the scriptures how they wanted and creating THEIR OWN religious traditions and rules in the synagogues and thinking they were the ONLY ones who were holy and powerful. Similar Like claiming to speak for the Holy Spirit.
I also notice in your posts the tendency to character assassinate, give people negative labels , and name call.
While those who oppose your misrepresentations of scriptures-- just try to correct with scripture, & to criticize your spiritual viewpoints, the misuse of scriptures, and your spiritual ideas you keep trying to teach.
We faithfully stand by what the Bible teaches and we don't pull out scriptures out of context or want to be teachers or prophets.
You just can't seem to just back up your opinions with scripture only and we've even seen you spiritually threaten a number of times, like you consider yourself to have equal authority to the Apostles. That also is a misuse of scripture.

And the unstable praise his posts. Lol! Not surprising given his subjective, mystical and unbiblical divination. It appeals to the carnal nature and freelance believers who savor their free will. He sees himself as a mystic who speaks for God, that whatever he says is not to be challenged and if it is then he lashes out. Frankly he's a false teacher, unstable, unbiblical.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I do not believe Satan and his disciples believe what the scriptures say, I know it, for that is what the scriptures say. James 2:19.

James 2:19 doesn't support you nor does it say what you've stated. More of your false teaching on display, and further evidence you misrepresent the truth and Scripture.

 

[ScottA]

You said:
"….the comparison of them believing in what was written instead of believing in Him who inspired what was written,…"

No competition there. Believe both.

I do, and I refer to the written word often.

But to remain in the written word is comparable to remaining in the flesh...it is not how we are to "follow" Jesus. The correct Way, is "first the natural, and then the spiritual." After having been born again of the Spirit, we are not suppose to return again to the baggerly elements...which include the confounded uninterpreted and sealed written word. "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." Which message is not complete if it is limited to the things of this world, including the limit of scriptures written on tablets.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I do, and I refer to the written word often.

You mean you misrepresent the word often when you refer to it. You have zero respect for it.

But to remain in the written word is comparable to remaining in the flesh...

In other words you've granted yourself license to twist the word with the above. Nothing but gnosticism.

is not how we are to "follow" Jesus. .

Actually it is how we follow Jesus, and how we know you don't.

 

[ScottA]

James 2:19 doesn't support you nor does it say what you've stated. More of your false teaching on display, and further evidence you misrepresent the truth and Scripture.

And again you look for a way to find me in error and fail.

Nonetheless, Satan knows the scriptures, and quotes them just as you do.

 

[ScottA]

You mean you misrepresent the word often when you refer to it. You have zero respect for it.



In other words you've granted yourself license to twist the word with the above. Nothing but gnosticism.



Actually it is how we follow Jesus, and how we know you don't.

Unfounded fodder. Name calling. Accusations. Hate. Jealousy. All fruit of wickedness.

 

[tzcho2]

Unfounded fodder. Name calling. Accusations. Hate. Jealousy. All fruit of wickedness.

That is what is in your posts in spades.

 

[tzcho2]

I do not believe Satan and his disciples believe what the scriptures say,

You really need to be rebuked!

 

[justbyfaith]

'Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:
and, What thou seest, write in a book,
and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia;
unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos,
and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis,
and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.'
(Revelation 1:11)

Hi @justbyfaith,

Yes, this is part of God's Word written. Praise God!
Destined for inclusion in the written Scriptures. The sum of all revelation.

* Are you suggesting that individuals are receiving revelation from God today, which supercedes what is written? Which should be treated as being as authoritative as the Scriptures themselves?

I hope not.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I'm saying that words that come from the mouth of the Lord Jesus are the words of God, whether they have been written down or not.

I recall at one time reading in Mexico a written prophecy that predicted the fires that have recently hit California; it predicted them exactly and they had not happened yet.

Was this prophecy inspired of the Holy Ghost? personally, I think that it was.