Oneness Pentecostalism is recently new. And it deviates from scripture and separates itself from Christendom by rejecting the trinity. You cannot follow Christ in truth if you do not know the truth about him.
Proof of the Trinity. No takers?
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Did we receive a different Holy Spirit?
The Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who are genuinely baptized in Jesus' Name (see Acts of the Apostles 8:37).
Acts 2:39, For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God will call.
Nobody makes a bigger mess of understanding Acts that the Charismatics. Because they have a verdict in search of evidence to support it. And it is really twisted. You need to approach Acts without anything to prove before you can understand it. Azuza Street was a total farce if you can look at Acts objectively.
Accusations...
My Holy Ghost is the eternal Spirit that Jesus released back unto the Father in Luke 23:46...there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4)...and He is the Father (John 4:23-24). The Spirit that dwelt in Jesus was the Father (John 14:7-11).
So if I am wrong, prove me wrong. Address the scriptures that I am bringing up.
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Bye. Next thing you know I'm going to hear you saying that "tongues is of the devil." And I want to spare you from committing blasphemy of the Holy Ghost that way.
You do not recognize Christ in scripture. You hunt for support of your denominational position which was considered heresy by the early church.
Voodoo practitioners speak in tongues. As do many non Christian sects. The fact that Charismatic tongues are nothing like the originals suggests they are either of human origin or worse. Speaking in Tongues: Glossalalia and Stress Reduction
You have three fingers pointing back at you.
I started reading my Bible with a strong belief in the Deity of Christ and searched the scriptures to determine what the Trinity doctrine really is. I studied the scriptures with the concept of the Trinity in mind. I did not go in wanting to prove Oneness Pentecostalism. I went in wanting to get a full view of what the Trinity is all about.
See Luke 6:37, Isaiah 54:17.
re #751.
I started reading my Bible with a strong belief in the Deity of Christ and searched the scriptures to determine what the Trinity doctrine really is. I studied the scriptures with the concept of the Trinity in mind. I did not go in wanting to prove Oneness Pentecostalism. I went in wanting to get a full view of what the Trinity is all about.
See Luke 6:37, Isaiah 54:17.
re #751.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all
#1. you said, "I see you just have restated Matthew 1:23 once more and saying 'God is with us.' And your point is; that this phrase means that God was reincarnated into Jesus from this single phrase - interesting"
First don't try to put words in my mouth. second, Matthews 1:23 clearly states God is with us. and third, the reason why I say that, it's because God himself manifested in flesh, that's how he's "WITH US". he was not reincarnated into anyone, (that's false doctrine), as I said, don't try to push a falsehood off on me... ok. I'm following scripture.
#2. you said, "And you then add in John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 as extra support I guess. What am I meant to do with this, agree with you? Why do I have to reconcile John 1:3 and Isiah 44:24 to your way of surface thinking. I do not believe as you do".
first, I didn't add John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 as extra support, it's FACT. second, I can care less if you agree with me or not, but agree with the scriptures, that's what you do with them..... (smile).
third, again I have no way of thing except by the Scriptures, so yes, reconcile John 1:3 and Isiah 44:24 to the facts of the bible and see if what you believe lines up with the scriptures.... that's the TRUE way to "think"
fourth, I have not made any belief system, so why even ask that you should believe me, for what? believe God Word.
1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God". and "of" translates the genitive case of nouns, meaning the Wisdom of God is God himself.
and one other thing "apak" listen real good, 1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal". (do you know who's the "MANIFESTATION" of the Spirit is? JESUS CHRIST... man this is too easy). let's continue
1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit".
see "apak" the WORD of God is "WISDOM". my God how men are so igo????.
Just one more because this is .....
That's a false Statement, and here's why. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".
God is a Spirit, he don't have a Spirit. the Spirit "OF" God is God. just as the spirit of 101G is 101G. :cool: you been duped, deceive, trick, by the evil one, or as Malcolm X would say, "hoodwink".... LOL.
no tell us "apak" and I'm going to ask you point blank, this will determine if you're are true or not, "is the Spirit of God, God?" yes or no
I'll be looking for that ANSWER.
as said I'll take your response one point at a time.
#1. you said, "I see you just have restated Matthew 1:23 once more and saying 'God is with us.' And your point is; that this phrase means that God was reincarnated into Jesus from this single phrase - interesting"
First don't try to put words in my mouth. second, Matthews 1:23 clearly states God is with us. and third, the reason why I say that, it's because God himself manifested in flesh, that's how he's "WITH US". he was not reincarnated into anyone, (that's false doctrine), as I said, don't try to push a falsehood off on me... ok. I'm following scripture.
#2. you said, "And you then add in John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 as extra support I guess. What am I meant to do with this, agree with you? Why do I have to reconcile John 1:3 and Isiah 44:24 to your way of surface thinking. I do not believe as you do".
first, I didn't add John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 as extra support, it's FACT. second, I can care less if you agree with me or not, but agree with the scriptures, that's what you do with them..... (smile).
third, again I have no way of thing except by the Scriptures, so yes, reconcile John 1:3 and Isiah 44:24 to the facts of the bible and see if what you believe lines up with the scriptures.... that's the TRUE way to "think"
fourth, I have not made any belief system, so why even ask that you should believe me, for what? believe God Word.
WISDOM are words which are Spirit, and the Word is Spirit, and Jesus is the Word/Wisdom of God, scripture,
1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God". and "of" translates the genitive case of nouns, meaning the Wisdom of God is God himself.
and one other thing "apak" listen real good, 1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal". (do you know who's the "MANIFESTATION" of the Spirit is? JESUS CHRIST...
man this is too easy). let's continue1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit".
see "apak" the WORD of God is "WISDOM". my God how men are so igo????.
ok, is the mind abstract? yes, so is God, who is spirit. here is your ERROR, Jesus is the MIND of God. 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God". wisdom is the mind, and that mind MANIFESTED, WHICH IS GOD.
Just one more because this is .....
#1. you said, "Yes indeed there is one God only and one Jesus Christ and their spirits are uniquely different as mine and yours are also".
That's a false Statement, and here's why. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".
God is a Spirit, he don't have a Spirit. the Spirit "OF" God is God. just as the spirit of 101G is 101G. :cool: you been duped, deceive, trick, by the evil one, or as Malcolm X would say, "hoodwink".... LOL.
no tell us "apak" and I'm going to ask you point blank, this will determine if you're are true or not, "is the Spirit of God, God?" yes or no
I'll be looking for that ANSWER.
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I will take this as the devil's attempt to discourage people from receiving the gift, and/or using it. "...praying in the Holy Ghost, keep yourselves in the love of God..." (Jude 1:20-21)
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The gifts expired with the Apostles who distributed them through their hands. There were only two outpourings of the Spirit. So today's versions of the gifts have no basis in scripture and are of human invention.
But you didn't study the trinity doctrine, only looked for support to bolster your denominational bias.
101G
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Correct 100%, scripture,
2 Corinthians 3:15 "But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2 Corinthians 3:16 "Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Spirit here is Cap "S" , the Lord is that Spirit. case closed.
You know, I love you in spite of the attitude that you are exhibiting.
I go to Calvary Chapel, I have no denominational bias towards Oneness Pentecostalism...
If being baptized in Jesus' Name means that I emphasize the Oneness of God and try to help others understand the Trinity, can I help if it if someone else is so wrapped up in the teachings of men that they reject what the Bible really says on the issue?
The way this is going, people are going to remain in darkness for a really, really, long time...
Because I know that I studied long and hard to try to understand the Trinity so that I could share that understanding with others...but it turns out that people with a dogma in their thinking will fight tooth and nail (with insults) just to win the battle.
Notice that you have not brought up any scripture to support your case, @Dave L.
You are simply going based on what you have been taught; but I don't think you are looking at the scriptures on the issue objectively.
Perhaps you are afraid of the persecution that might come...being identified as a member of a cult...
I suggest you read Acts 24:14 (kjv).
101G
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I must agree with Justbyfaith,
2 Corinthians 1:3 "Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2 Corinthians 1:4 "Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
2 Corinthians 1:5 "For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
verse 5 just told us that Christ is the COMFORTER, who is God, (the Father) in verses 3, and 4. how do we know this?
in verse 5 the term "consolation", it's the hebrew word,
G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
see Dave, one who gives "comfort" is a "COMFORTER", one who gives "help" is a "HELPER", One who gives "counsel" is a "COUNSELOR"/"LAWYER". who are these title belonging to?, let's see.
the consolation, see Luke 2:25 the COMFORTER in Flesh.. Concrete
the consolation, see 1 John 2:1 the "COUNSELOR"/"LAWYER" without flesh .... abstract,
@justbyfaith, I see you're begining to see the LIGHT.
Romans 15:5 "Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
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