Yes. So the question arises did the work of the cross finish the redemption process? Are we saved solely by what Christ accomplished at Calvary or are we saved through His continuing work through the many changes He makes in our lives in order to prepare us for eternity? Is sanctification a part of the salvation process, or is it an optional extra? Are God's commandments still to be obeyed by the sanctified Christian?
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Ot rather, is commandment keeping an expected result of a sanctified Christian? After all like it had been said before, love is the fulfillment of the law yes?
His power keeps us saved through it all, even through all your questions.
1 Cor 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
No, keeping the commandment which is love is the result of sanctification, it's not a requirement to keep yourself saved. Your every day emotions are not a requirement to keep yourself saved, lol
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Find me a man without sin and I will show you a liar. Now I can show you many men whose sins have being forgiven and who now no longer walk in that condemnation, because they have faith in God which so few have. Sin is the enemies greatest weapon to keep men from believing God,
Jesus said, "it is finished" man agree with satan and say. "no it is not".
I know who I would rather believe
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The story of the five wise and five foolish virgins was not told for entertainment but rather so that those who take on the name of Jesus are aware that evil doers (law breakers) do not enter the Kingdom of God even though they thought they were onside with Jesus.
The stupid thing is you include yourself in that lot because Jesus died for the Israelites because no man could keep the law, not even the religious men who even today demand people do which they themselves dont do, Sickening isnt it.
So go ahead with all the lawyers and boast to God how you did what only Jesus could do. please there is a Que forming.
I agree. And I don't recall saying otherwise. This is another straw man. We all agree that commandment keeping is a result of sanctification. And I wasn't asking that question. My question is, are Christians obligated to obey God? Nothing to do with salvation... Nothing to do with working ones way into heaven... Nothing to do with proving I'm a good person... Nothing to do with boasting... Just a simple yes or no answer will suffice. Are Christians obligated to obey God's commandments... Or perhaps I could reword it to make it easier perhaps.
If we claim Jesus as our Lord, does that mean He has authority over us?
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"It" is pretty ambiguous Heb, fwiw i sure don't assume i know for a fact what "it" is
i do not know, just so you know. You maybe know, i don't know
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"no atheists in foxholes" did not generate itself though i guess
the same benefit, as long as the sinner did not know imo
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The Lord SAVED me ONCE.
For those who Do not Believe Salvation is Give a man but ONCE...
Curious...
Could you relay your own testimony, of HOW MANY TIMES you Have been SAVED...so far?
God Bless,
Merry Christmas,
Taken
For those who Do not Believe Salvation is Give a man but ONCE...
Curious...
Could you relay your own testimony, of HOW MANY TIMES you Have been SAVED...so far?
God Bless,
Merry Christmas,
Taken
Sorry, I disagree. The priest was placed in his position as mediator. The sinner's faith was upon the process by which God had set in place...the sinners guilt laid upon the sacrifice and the blood carrying that guilt sprinkled before the altar (of incence) and the veil before the most Holy Place and accepted by God as a substitute for the penalty of death being laid upon the sinner. The same process was followed by the Lamb of God who took away the sins of the world. Our faith is in the mediatorial work of Christ, our High Priest...Calvary was simply the beginning of the process...not the finish of it. Our salvation will not be concluded until Christ exits the most Holy Place in the heavenly sanctuary and returns to take His people home. (I know you have difficulty with that one.)
By my previous response to the above, I don't mean to claim that God doesn't show mercy and grace to those who don't have a perfect understanding of the theology or soteriology of the Bible. It just happens that God has set in place a certain avenue by which men can be saved, not to satisfy our curiosity or to bolster our egos, nor yet to provide a way we must stridently follow, but rather for His own sake to satisfy His own righteousness and the demands of His own law. and I am sure many will be saved even though they may be ignorant of all the details of the waymarks and twists and turns that the straight road, or otherwise, may follow. What my response to Heb was is that Calvary was not the presumed "finished work" (whatever that means) Heb is maintaining. He is ignoring an essential component of salvation...the cross, as I have said often, was only the first step. But in a sense thinking about that, I suppose there will be many who understand only the cross, and are saved according to the light they have accepted and received. I have always maintained, despite my aversion to Catholicism and my assertions that the system is the Antichrist, that many Catholics, as individuals, are genuine Christians, because they are actively living according to the light they have. IOW your quote above in some instances could be quote correct from a certain perspective. Goodness. Does that mean I am beginning to understand your dialect?????
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ah, this "accepted by God," part, could you Quote that for me?
See bc we can read elsewhere that these sac...but nevermind that for a sec, could you just Quote that part above if you would first, ty. Prolly the "pleasing aromas" thing will be your best shot i bet
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ha, well this part i have to agree, that same process was def followed, but not by Jesus ok. That is strictly a perception, wherein a certain conclusion is arrived at by a determinist, and another conclusion is available in Scripture, when the determinist is ready to change their minds. And if i am not able to reveal this to ppl, then i would direct ppl to search "Jesus did not die for your sins" and ignore any obviously Atheist or other (still deterministic) links, and seek one that concludes with...a better understanding of Christ, partaking in Christ, ok.
Um...ok, the v "if any man wants to come after Me, let him pick up his cross and follow Me" would almost surely be included in that argument imo, don't see how it could be ignored in a proper perspective
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amen, but those who "worship" Jesus here would disagree with you i guess, right, and assure us that "it is finished." Iow a "High Priest, Priest" relationship is not really manifest
ah, well so you say, but tbh i have no difficulty with it at all, bc i know it is not in There, you cannot Quote it, not even considering what that pov does to "the Body of Christ," see. I went looking for "Jesus/God Returning" in Scripture--bc Jesus is God, right?--and voila, i found it! And you got the same Book i do, right? So Quote me "Jesus returns" again--oh ya; you never did, sorry--or i mean try to Quote it, and let's see, maybe i am wrong!
You will see Him come down in the same way you saw Him go up, bl, i mean there it is right there bro
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yup, that's what we are taught alright, that our God--Who is intent upon getting us to be a Living Sacrifice (and even Incarnated to demonstrate the point, hello?)--needs His righteousness to be satisfied by people believing a certain way, right? Bc after all you can even Quote that, huh. So as i don't see a better way to proceed there, go ahead and Quote that too i guess if it hasn't clarified here
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um, you would have to define "saved" here for me to comment, a comprehensive definition if you don't mind, ty
ya, probably...i'll be able to tell better when you get kicked out of "church" and you can't post on any (other, at least) "Christian" forum without getting banned after a couple of days, and your...whole life, basically, is in a shambles, iyo. Preferably you get fired around then too i guess lol. You should at least thoroughly hate my guts for a while, and almost definitely "never" want to talk to me again, from your pov. I think i stated once that the family dog will even turn against you, but that isn't true, he'll likely be the only one sticks by you i guess
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