On How to be saved

[bbyrd009]

Oh that He did, just not the bible,

Word :)

 

[Ac28]

"A mountain of extraordinary experiences weighs less than an ounce of inspired scripture"

 

[justbyfaith]

How are we to be saved?

By living a life that is pleasing to God.

No, that is the result of salvation. You have stumbled at that stumblingstone, my friend (see Romans 9:30-31, Romans 10:1-4).

The way to salvation is clearly represented in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and John 3:16.

"A mountain of extraordinary experiences weighs less than an ounce of inspired scripture"

Word.

 

[mjrhealth]

Word :)

over 41 different version of Gods Word cant be wrong, but God can... go figure

 

[justbyfaith]

over 41 different version of Gods Word cant be wrong, but God can... go figure

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Subjective experience may or may not be based in reality...but if you are a born again Christian, you know that the reality that brings salvation is dictated by the word of the Lord (the Holy Bible), and that every person either believes or does not believe the reality that is dictated by the word of the Lord (the Holy Bible).

Again, truth is not a subjective thing based on our experience...it is an objective reality that is written down for all to see; and to either believe or to not believe.

God has magnified His word (the Holy Bible) above all His name (Psalms 138:2).

God has given us His word (the Holy Bible) because there is a devil who would come to us with lies (even claiming to be the Lord God, desiring to be worshipped); and God's prescribed way for us to deal with him is to say, "It is written..." (Matthew 4:1-11, Luke 4:1-13).

It is written...2 Timothy 3:15-16 (kjv).

 

[bbyrd009]

over 41 different version of Gods Word cant be wrong, but God can... go figure

i agree to a point mjr, but Scripture is God~Breathed after all, and that is no small thing ok, you like to believe that Scripture is useless and hopelessly corrupted, but imo do yourself a favor and go read those exact same perspectives in Scripture, bc they are in There alright, i mean the Book will even tell you how the Book gets corrupted, and if you believe that a little scribing can obscure the truth from the original that we have thousands of faithful copies of i would pause and reflect there, ok.

i certainly distrust scribed Bibles, but even they are revealed by other Scripture, mjr, i mean you cannot Quote a spiritual principle that has been corrupted in a bad translation that does not have the correction for the corruption in the same translation elsewhere, prolly in three diff places, bc scribes are not as smart as God, and "You will not let your holy one see decay" is operative here too, as the Bible includes the Law, etc. But i mean give it a shot if you think you can, i've never tried this one, we'll see.

i mean you do realize that the Bible is meant to be...misunderstood, right?

 

[H. Richard]

1. This verse is about JUSTIFICATION. The one who believes God and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ is justified by grace through faith APART from works. "It is the GIFT of God" makes this perfectly clear. This is a supernatural work of God and the sinner is saved at that very moment, because the righteousness of Christ is imputed to him. Of course, there is much more to this including regeneration, etc.

2. Following justification, Christians are to be SANCTIFIED. Sanctification (just like salvation) is in three tenses: (a) we have been sanctified by the gift of the Holy Spirit, (b) we are being sanctified by the power of the Holy Spirit and (3) we shall be perfected by Christ at the Resurrection/Rapture.

3. Following sanctification comes GLORIFICATION. That is when all the saints are perfected -- bodies, souls, and spirits -- and receive transformed, perfect, incorruptible, immortal, glorious bodies.

Any church or teacher who teaches that salvation = grace + works is a false teacher and a false church.

Take a look at what you said in 2 and 3. You are saying """WE""" sanctify OURSELVES and """WE"""glorify ourselves in this life but that is not what the scriptures say. The scriptures say that a child of God is sanctified by the Holy Spirit, not by man. -- in 3 the scriptures plainly tell us that God glorifies a person, not the person him/her glorifying them selves. Like always the religious want to take credit for these things.

1 Cor 6:11
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
NKJV

Rom 8:30
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
NKJV

 

[Enoch111]

You are saying """WE""" sanctify OURSELVES and """WE"""glorify ourselves in this life but that is not what the scriptures say.

And that is not what I have said. Read it again.

 

[justbyfaith]

i mean you do realize that the Bible is meant to be...misunderstood, right?

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You have got to be kidding.

 

[bbyrd009]

_O

You have got to be kidding.

um...yes, you i am kidding at least, that is, apparently, correct
but i am not kidding anyone else there, ok, the Scriptural statements, plural, on the matter are pretty plain;
hide wisdom from the wise right off the bat, but there is another reflection that can be developed with tares, there are the scribes passages, even the hearing passages that pertain to Word are a commentary on understanding Scripture
imo

 

[mjrhealth]

i agree to a point mjr, but Scripture is God~Breathed after all, and that is no small thing ok, you like to believe that Scripture is useless and hopelessly corrupted, but imo do yourself a favor and go read those exact same perspectives in Scripture, bc they are in There alright, i mean the Book will even tell you how the Book gets corrupted, and if you believe that a little scribing can obscure the truth from the original that we have thousands of faithful copies of i would pause and reflect there, ok.

i certainly distrust scribed Bibles, but even they are revealed by other Scripture, mjr, i mean you cannot Quote a spiritual principle that has been corrupted in a bad translation that does not have the correction for the corruption in the same translation elsewhere, prolly in three diff places, bc scribes are not as smart as God, and "You will not let your holy one see decay" is operative here too, as the Bible includes the Law, etc. But i mean give it a shot if you think you can, i've never tried this one, we'll see.

i mean you do realize that the Bible is meant to be...misunderstood, right?

No you all miss the point, God gave man His Spirit. to

Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

but men are carnal

Mat_13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

and again

Mar 8:17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened?
Mar 8:18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?

Yes, God does show us thing in the bible, but God teaches by experience, people have studied the bible all there lives and still in the end dont know God,

because faith

Heb_11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

but people want something they can see, and the pride of man always puts itself above God seeking to earn His approval and trying to prove top God by teh flesh how good it it. And of course than undoing all the good work that Christ has done, which you dont believe in anyway, do you???

Such foolishness

 

[bbyrd009]

but men are carnal

you are a man too mjr

And of course than undoing all the good work that Christ has done, which you dont believe in anyway, do you???

Such foolishness

ha, you're speaking in oxymorons here again? ok. I mean pls tell me you understand that "you are undoing all of Christ's work, you fool!" is hypocritical, right; "you fool" is the only part that matters there, see

but yes, i found Nehushtan and stopped worshipping Him, if that's what you mean

 

[justbyfaith]

The only way to be healed from the poison of the serpents (when you are bitten by them) is to look to the bronze serpent on the pole in faith. The poison of the serpents represents the "bite" of sin.

Isaiah 45:22, John 3:14-16 implies that this bronze serpent on the pole is Jesus/Jehovah God.

 

[amadeus]

i mean you do realize that the Bible is meant to be...misunderstood, right?

Understanding this was one of my big steps forward toward God.

 

[amadeus]

The only way to be healed from the poison of the serpents (when you are bitten by them) is to look to the bronze serpent on the pole in faith. The poison of the serpents represents the "bite" of sin.

Isaiah 45:22, John 3:14-16 implies that this bronze serpent on the pole is Jesus/Jehovah God.

But later in Nehushtan people had effectively denied God and His Son while continuing to pay lip service to them. This is the point of Nehushtan.

 

[Triumph1300]

Where has he disappeared?

No I am still here.
More involved with photography thread....
Moved away from "heavy duty" discussions a bit, that leads to nothing.
Causes to many problems in the body of Christ.

Praise God!

 

[Enoch111]

More involved with photography thread....

Right. A picture is worth a thousand words. But what about those who believe that taking their picture could mean stealing their soul? Just kidding.

 

[justbyfaith]

Understanding this was one of my big steps forward toward God.

I fail to see how, thinking that God intended to mislead you in what He inspired, would be a step forward.

Being able to trust God is a step forward. Believing that God is capricious, to me, would be a step backward.

Because I feel that a god who would intend his word to be misunderstood, is a capricious god.

 

[justbyfaith]

But later in Nehushtan people had effectively denied God and His Son while continuing to pay lip service to them. This is the point of Nehushtan.

They made an idol out of a "brass thing" rather than seeing the meaning behind the image that was presented to them.

 

[bbyrd009]

The only way to be healed from the poison of the serpents (when you are bitten by them) is to look to the bronze serpent on the pole in faith. The poison of the serpents represents the "bite" of sin.

Isaiah 45:22, John 3:14-16 implies that this bronze serpent on the pole is Jesus/Jehovah God.

But later in Nehushtan people had effectively denied God and His Son while continuing to pay lip service to them. This is the point of Nehushtan.

and even in the moment, the reason for the manifestation of the Serpent on a Pole can be examined; why did the snakes appear, iow