If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

[BreadOfLife]

Well sir,
just because you state it, does not make it so.
Which catholic issues am I ignorant of?
Let's get serious for a change.

Well - for starters, when you claimed that there was no Pope in AD 325 during the Council of Nicaea.

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL
When have you EVER proven me wrong about anything??
You must be thinking of someone else.

When I disproved your claim that there was no Pope in AD 325 during the council of Nicaea.

 

[BreadOfLife]

See, your last sentence is a hidden insult.
Why do you think I don't know it?
Was I not the one who brought it up?
Do you think I'd bring up a subject I know nothing about?
Do you think a person that speaks Italian doesn't know what PONTE means!
Come on BoL...
Be nice.

Then WHY ask me what it means??

"Ponte" means "Bridge" in Italian.
Even an uninformed American like ME knows this.

 

[GodsGrace]

Is Christ not the ladder - the bridge to Heaven (Gen. 28:10-17)?
As Christians, we are ALL called to be bridge builders between the world and God.

The POPE is the ladder between man and God.
This is why he is called Il Pontefice.

Once the title was officially given to the "first" pope, all the PREVIOS Bishops of Rome were given the same title.

 

[GodsGrace]

Then WHY ask me what it means??

"Ponte" means "Bridge" in Italian.
Even an uninformed American like ME knows this.

Funny you.
To see if YOU knew what it meant!
I mean, really, you thought I didn't know?
See. You're funny.

 

[GodsGrace]

When I disproved your claim that there was no Pope in AD 325 during the council of Nicaea.

There was no pope as we understand it today. Many bishops were called pope...

Title and etymology
The word pope derives from Greek πάππας meaning "father". In the early centuries of Christianity, this title was applied, especially in the east, to all bishops[19] and other senior clergy, and later became reserved in the west to the Bishop of Rome, a reservation made official only in the 11th century.[20][21][22][23][24] The earliest record of the use of this title was in regard to the by then deceased Patriarch of Alexandria, Pope Heraclas of Alexandria (232–248).[25] The earliest recorded use of the title "pope" in English dates to the mid-10th century, when it was used in reference to Pope Vitalian in an Old English translation of Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum.[26]

source: Pope - Wikipedia

 

[BreadOfLife]

The POPE is the ladder between man and God.
This is why he is called Il Pontefice.

Once the title was officially given to the "first" pope, all the PREVIOS Bishops of Rome were given the same title.

No - Pontifex Maximus means Greatest Bridge BUILDER.
There you go again with your false claims.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There was no pope as we understand it today. Many bishops were called pope...

Title and etymology
The word pope derives from Greek πάππας meaning "father". In the early centuries of Christianity, this title was applied, especially in the east, to all bishops[19] and other senior clergy, and later became reserved in the west to the Bishop of Rome, a reservation made official only in the 11th century.[20][21][22][23][24] The earliest record of the use of this title was in regard to the by then deceased Patriarch of Alexandria, Pope Heraclas of Alexandria (232–248).[25] The earliest recorded use of the title "pope" in English dates to the mid-10th century, when it was used in reference to Pope Vitalian in an Old English translation of Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum.[26]

source: Pope - Wikipedia

And this is precisely why there are several titles for the Pope - and again - "Pope" is NOT one of them:
-Bishop of Rome
-Vicar of Jesus Christ
-Successor of the Prince of the Apostles
-Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church
-Primate of Italy
-Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province
-Sovereign of the State of Vatican City
- Servant of the Servants of God

Technically, we call our Priests "Pope" because "Papa" means "Father".
However - only ONE person is the earthly Head of Christ's Church - and that is the Bishop of Rome. Irenaeus points this out in his treatise, Against Heresies in the 2ND century when he lists all of the Popes from Peter to HIS day.

 

[GodsGrace]

No - Pontifex Maximus means Greatest Bridge BUILDER.
There you go again with your false claims.

Pontefice is taken, for catholics, to mean the bridge that connects man to God.
How is this a false claim?
I never said it didn't mean bridge builder...but that is not how it's understood in Christianity.

This might also interest anyone reading along who wants more info...

Why does the Pope carry the title "Pontifex Maximus"?

 

[GodsGrace]

And this is precisely why there are several titles for the Pope - and again - "Pope" is NOT one of them:
-Bishop of Rome
-Vicar of Jesus Christ
-Successor of the Prince of the Apostles
-Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church
-Primate of Italy
-Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province
-Sovereign of the State of Vatican City
- Servant of the Servants of God

Technically, we call our Priests "Pope" because "Papa" means "Father".
However - only ONE person is the earthly Head of Christ's Church - and that is the Bishop of Rome. Irenaeus points this out in his treatise, Against Heresies in the 2ND century when he lists all of the Popes from Peter to HIS day.

He lists all the popes because of my explanation which I will not go into again.
AFTER the first official pope was elected, all the bishops before him who served as "pope" were then given that title.

This seems easy enough to understand.
The SUPER BOWL was not always called the super bowl.
After it was given that name in, I believe 1969, every championship game spoken of AFTER that was called the Super Bowl even though it was NOT called the Super Bowl at the time of the earlier games. (pre 1969).

 

[Enoch111]

Pontefice is taken, for catholics, to mean the bridge that connects man to God.
How is this a false claim?

Because Pontifex meant a connection to false pagan gods. Pontifex Maximus was the title of pagan Roman priests.

 

[GodsGrace]

Because Pontifex meant a connection to false pagan gods. Pontifex Maximus was the title of pagan Roman priests.

Really?
LOL
Check my post no. 1067.

 

[Enoch111]

Really?
LOL
Check my post no. 1067.

No need. Here's the meaning from Wikipedia (although you will find this in other sources also).

The Pontifex Maximus or pontifex maximus (Latin, "greatest priest"[1][2][3]) was the chief high priest of the College of Pontiffs(Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome. This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion, open only to patricians until 254 BC, when a plebeian first occupied this post. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office. Its last use with reference to the emperors is in inscriptions of Gratian[4] (reigned 375–383) who, however, then decided to omit the words "pontifex maximus" from his title.[5][6] Although in fact the most powerful office of Roman priesthood, the pontifex maximus was officially ranked fifth in the ranking of the highest Roman priests (ordo sacerdotum), behind the rex sacrorum and the flamines maiores(Flamen Dialis, Flamen Martialis, Flamen Quirinalis).[7]

 

[GodsGrace]

No need. Here's the meaning from Wikipedia (although you will find this in other sources also).

The Pontifex Maximus or pontifex maximus (Latin, "greatest priest"[1][2][3]) was the chief high priest of the College of Pontiffs(Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome. This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion, open only to patricians until 254 BC, when a plebeian first occupied this post. A distinctly religious office under the early Roman Republic, it gradually became politicized until, beginning with Augustus, it was subsumed into the Imperial office. Its last use with reference to the emperors is in inscriptions of Gratian[4] (reigned 375–383) who, however, then decided to omit the words "pontifex maximus" from his title.[5][6] Although in fact the most powerful office of Roman priesthood, the pontifex maximus was officially ranked fifth in the ranking of the highest Roman priests (ordo sacerdotum), behind the rex sacrorum and the flamines maiores(Flamen Dialis, Flamen Martialis, Flamen Quirinalis).[7]

Right.
And I listed more links in my discussion with BreadofLife.

 

[bbyrd009]

LOL
No!
Americans of course.
And those of the North and South even more than the others.
The closer you are to something, the more you understand it.

no one here has much of a clue GG, we are pretty much all convinced it was about slavery or state's rights or some such dreck.
i doubt 1 in 20 are even aware of the Rothschild's threat of civil war openly published in European newspapers at the time

 

[bbyrd009]

The closer you are to something, the more you understand it

well, you def get a diff pov, yes. But imo you have to respect the forest for the trees thing too

 

[GodsGrace]

no one here has much of a clue GG, we are pretty much all convinced it was about slavery or state's rights or some such dreck.
i doubt 1 in 20 are even aware of the Rothschild's threat of civil war openly published in European newspapers at the time

Well, I learned it was about the south wanting to secede from the Union of the U.S.A. I believe they're still sorry they didn't win and sometimes openly show it...confederate flags and all that.

I don't knoiw about the Rothschild's either, but I'll bet you a quarter Europe didn't really care too much at the time; and probably wouldn't today either.

Know who cared the most?
The North.
The South.

This was my point...wdyt?

 

[GodsGrace]

well, you def get a diff pov, yes. But imo you have to respect the forest for the trees thing too

Hmmmm.....
For emotional things I'd have to agree with you.
For war, political stuff, and the such (which is what we were discussing I think, can't remember) I'd have to disagree. The one closest to the war feels it the most.
(what WERE we discussing???!!!)

 

[bbyrd009]

Well, I learned it was about the south wanting to secede from the Union of the U.S.A.

yes, like any good lie, there is some truth in that

I believe they're still sorry they didn't win and sometimes openly show it...confederate flags and all that.

ha yes, we are not ezackly less divided now or anything; division was the whole point i guess

I don't knoiw about the Rothschild's either

you can google, um..."Abraham Lincoln was threatened by the Rothschild's with civil war" (w/o quotes) will get you started, really the war of 1812 first i guess, engineered by Nathan Rothschild, not even trying to hide it.
unfortunately you gotta wade through a bunch of rhetoric and agenda, but the truth is still out there, the massive devaluation of greybacks, etc, just like we have today, everyone assumes inflation and devaluation are normal now, even "believers," who all accept illness as normal and operations as miracles now, etc, same principle in...operation :)

Know who cared the most?
The North.
The South.

This was my point...wdyt?

i think i know who was manipulated the most lol, by caring about the wrong things, which who can show anyone when they are caring about the wrong things? Good ppl are easily led astray by appealing to their desires; we desire money and so we are ruled by Mammon, exactly like it should be.

Our "churches" reflect this perfectly imo; a "pastor" who has not unwittingly signed a 501c3, who can find him?

 

[bbyrd009]

(what WERE we discussing???!!!)

ha well, the closer you are to something, sometimes the less you understand it too i guess
prolly even "usually," bias being inevitable, generally speaking.
iow it is easy to understand a point of view, maybe not so easy to see the other pov,
and really quite hard to see the third rail i guess, "leave the world."