If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

[Phoneman777]

So we are all so busy pointing the fingers , and can see so clearly all the faults and errors of the Catholics that 'need' straightening out, and the 'people' need much warning against.
BUT..
What about all the SDA adventist stuff that is false and error....and the threat being placed on those who don't keep some law to not go to a Church on Sunday...
If we do, it is "the Mark of the Beast" and we are all destined to hell?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I can see that hell is going to be full to the brim of trillions of Christians.

What a load of bull this all is.
Pluck the beam out of your own eye before you try to sort out a differnt religious belief...your own is a false as a three dollar bill.

You should know that the entire Protestant world up until just about a hundred years ago taught from Scripture - not from a hate filled, accusation filled heart - that the Beast is the Papacy.

Since the prophecies are clear that the Mark of the Beast issue is directly related to the worship of God as evidenced by obedience to His laws, or the worship of Satan as evidenced by obedience to contrary man-made laws (Revelation 14:9-12; Psalms 94, Daniel 3:4-6, etc.), don't ask a Seventh-day Adventist what is the Mark of the Beast - simply ask the Beast:

"Sunday is our MARK of authority. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." - Catholic Mirror

 

[Phoneman777]

I am considered anticatholic by BOL so as long as I am here, he has given himself permission to reform every false self he meets on the board and hammer the true into them.

"Let the minds clash, but keep the fists down." - Martin Luther

If only BOL's passion for truth could be realized by him as a Protestant instead...

 

[Phoneman777]

Beloved, let us love one another, because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten by God and knows God.

Pax!

"Hate not thy brother in thine heart. Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy brother, and not suffer sin upon him." Leviticus 19:17

So, the "haters" are actually people who refuse to reach out and correct a brother's error and those who love their neighbor reach out to them in love to point out their errors - and are accused of "hate" by the haters who don't reach out to them?

An open Bible is the most dangerous enemy to modern liberal Christianity.

 

[Phoneman777]

We once we are complete in Him! On this earth though, I highly doubt we will ever see unity within Christian Churches. Sad indeed.

Of course there will come a time of unity - the entire world will be united under either the Seal of God or the Mark of the Beast, the former being Christians who "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Revelation 12:17 KJV)...

...and the latter will be comprised of those who, from whichever false system of worship they find themselves, acknowledge the Beast as the "spiritual authority" on Earth...then Jesus comes back and rains on their parade.

 

[Phoneman777]

I'm not talking about simply "criticizing".
I'm talking about LYING.

Criticizing or disagreeing isn't sinful. Lying IS . . .

Not sure of any "lies" told by those who are "anti Catholic doctrine". Most of what I see are historical statements made by Papal authorities who now deny them ever being said. The world is well acquainted with Papal intrigue.

 

[Phoneman777]

And ignorance is when somebody makes an idiotic comment like this without doing his homework.

Bibles WERE chained to pulpits in the centuries PRIOR to the invention of the printing press because they were very expensive to come by. They were handwritten and took years to complete. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with not allowing people to "read" them for them selves.

Besides - as rudimentary knowledge of history would show you that in those days - as much as 85-90% of the general public was functionally ILLITERATE and would have NO use for a written Bible anyway.

BOL, here's a great documentary detailing how the Papacy warred against the truths of Scripture:

 

[Phoneman777]

And, as I explained earlier - the Bible explains that to "Believe" on the Lord Jesus Christ is to OBEY Him . . .
- Being Baptized (Matt. 28:19-20, John 3:5, Rom. 2:29, Rom. 6:1-11, Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21)
- Eating and drinking His Body and Blood (John 6:22-71)
- Picking up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obeying his commandments (John 14:15, 15:10)
- Doing the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
- Suffering with Christ (Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2)

Amen, especially the version of the Ten Commandments that He wrote with His own finger in stone at Mount Sinai, and not changed versions of His commandments that are found taught in churches today.

 

[Nancy]

Of course there will come a time of unity - the entire world will be united under either the Seal of God or the Mark of the Beast, the former being Christians who "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Revelation 12:17 KJV)...

...and the latter will be comprised of those who, from whichever false system of worship they find themselves, acknowledge the Beast as the "spiritual authority" on Earth...then Jesus comes back and rains on their parade.

Of course there will come a time of unity Maybe in the New Earth when Christ reigns but, not before that, IMO. I did specify THIS earth.

 

[APAK]

How do you apply the parable of the ten virgins, where five were foolish and five were prudent, but the foolish were out to the market seeking to be filled again even once, when the Bridegroom had come and they were left behind and outside that closed door to that celebration?

I take it to mean that the actual celebration is yet future and saved believers are at risk of being left behind for being workers of iniquity as the iniquity Jesus was addressing in that parable was how saved believers thinks they can receive the Holy Ghost again after a sign of tongues and even again and again after other sensational signs in the flesh thus not being ready as the prudent ones were knowing they had been filled since they had first believed in Him at the calling of the gospel. The foolish virgins are still His, but because they were "out to the market" to be filled by the Holy Ghost and not holding fast the traditions taught of us that they are filled and thus sealed and thus saved since they had believed in him at the calling of the gospel as the prudent ones were, it was too late for them.

I see the five foolish virgins as still His and thus still saved because in Revelation 2nd chapter, Jesus is addressing the church at Thyatira that those committing spiritual fornication that has known the utter depths of Satan for which they speak, to repent or be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation. He still addresses those left behind as His children in judging all those in the churches in according to their works.

Anyway, just wondering, brother, how you apply the parable of the ten virgins to how you were applying the parable in Luke 14:15-24 to mean then.

Another short commentary of Matthew 25:1-13..

People want to be in the Kingdom of God by knowing the Lord. The problem is that many go about it the wrong way, the dead way.

Those that are foolish in this goal decide in their hearts and minds to make their own way to the Kingdom by their own efforts and means. They live their lives with good works, acts of self-charity and self-love and associate themselves with holy things and holy people, both fake, the religious, and the genuine, scripture and true believers. They believe this will indeed get them over the ‘finish line’ that leads to knowing the Lord, eventually. They do not realize they are living their lives still in themselves and not in Christ. The Lord cannot ‘see’ a selfish heart, only a new spirit heart in the likeness of himself. The darkness in the heart cannot ‘see’ the light of God and the Lord cannot ‘see’ it either.

The wise ones believe the words of God and believe in the gospel. They accepted the gift of salvation through the grace of God and his son that supplied their hearts with the spirit of his son given by the Father. They became born-again believers and live their lives in this new spirit- filled (oil-filled) heart. They live their lives in Christ. They have the ‘oil’ that regenerates and lights their new hearts that leads them to the Lord and he shall ‘see’ them coming. He would see their ‘light.’

When the Lord returns at the most abrupt time, the Lord will only see the lit hearts of life. He will not see the darkness of men’s hearts. Crying out after one dies, or when the Lord returns, revealing self-righteousness and works of the heart will gain no reward except death. The Lord shall arrive and collect his own believers into the holy union and marriage. The glorification of their bodies to immortality with the Lord. The foolish ones waited too late to come to Christ the proper way and cry out to him in tears and wailing.

Lesson: Today is not the time to experiment and try to be a believer by your own means and methods through other men and religions. Be a true believer as scripture and Jesus wrote about. You will then be ready and have the ‘oil’ to fill and ignite (regenerate) your heart with the spirit of Christ through God. This the Lord will accept to his Lamb’s supper. He says come and I say I’m coming Lord. Amen.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[GodsGrace]

You are still demanding for all Catholics not to be lazy by disregarding the teachings from the Catholic Church to know what the scripture actually says in putting their fears to rest.

When the Catholic catechism on pg 222 #837 teaches that although incorporated in the Catholic Church, and doing the sacraments, if the believer does not persevere in charity, he is not saved. So for a "lazy" Catholic to ally that fear of going to hell for not going to the confessional, they would have to disregard what the Catholic catechism teaches to read what the KJV Bible says instead. Funny how there is nothing about going to hell if they do not go to the confessionals or losing salvation at all when we have this promise in John 6:39-40.

You are found wanting in giving that judgment about Catholics being lazy when you fail to provide scripture to prove their laziness by allaying their fears that they are going to hell if they do not go to the confessionals.

Indeed, since you believe one can lose their salvation, you would be hard pressed to allay their fears for not going to the confessionals.

Hi JIF
I also am having a problem understanding but what I gather is that you like the KJ bible the best and that the CCC contradicts it.

I just want to say that the CC does not believe people go to hell for not going to confession. They DO believe that if someone has a mortal sin and does not confess it then they are lost. Some priests I know do not really believe this, but I guess BreadofLife will have something to say about this.

The older catholics basically don't understand why it's necessary to know the bible. They always depended on the priest to tell them what they need to know.
Most of my catholic friends are happy to go to Mass and be "good" people. The ones who ARE interested do understand about belief, but they're few and far between. I think this is true in the Protestant church too these days. I'm not sure.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I left the church 30 years ago and it was still in Latin........

The Novus Ordo in the VERNACULAR (NOT Latin) has been in practice for well over 50 years. This is the ORDINARY form of Mass.
To claim that there were only Latin masses in 1988 is a lie of gargantuan proportions.

Unless you belonged to a renegade, dissident Catholic sect in the 1980's, chances are that your parish celebrated Mass in ENGLISH if you lived in the USA.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's a fake church built around fake doctrine. It contains a fake priesthood and fake sacraments. No truth is in it, at all. It is, and has always been, the most evil organization on the planet.

And AGAIN - what is "Fake" about it?
What is "Fake" about the sacraments or the doctrines or the priesthood??
It's easy to vomit out those words - but it's another kettle of fish when it comes to explaining yourself . . .

As for the rest of your drivel - if there is "NO truth at ALL" in the Catholic Church - then YOU must not be a believer in Christ because, the Catholic Church teaches that . . .
- Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Trinity.
- Was born of a virgin.
- Offered Himself as the propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.
- Rose from the dead.
- Ascended into Heaven by His own power and is seated at the Right Hand of the Father.

These are ESSENTIAL Christian doctrines - but YOU claim that there is "NO truth at ALL" in them.
Pretty pathetic, if you ask me . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Amen, especially the version of the Ten Commandments that He wrote with His own finger in stone at Mount Sinai, and not changed versions of His commandments that are found taught in churches today.

Really??
Who "changed" the Commandments??

 

[BreadOfLife]

BOL, here's a great documentary detailing how the Papacy warred against the truths of Scripture:

Instead of posting Youtube videos - why don't you refute what I taught you in my last post - in your OWN words?? Why don't you show me how wrong I am by using historical documentation to show me what I said was erroneous.

The answer is that you CAN'T. What I taught you about history in my last post is 100% historical truth - with no Catholic or anti-Catholic bias. Just the plain truth.

You LOSE this argument because you refuse to do your homework and have instead chosen to remain ignorant . . .

 

[Heb 13:8]

Instead of posting Youtube videos - why don't you refute what I taught you in my last post - in your OWN words?? Why don't you show me how wrong I am by using historical documentation to show me what I said was erroneous.

The answer is that you CAN'T. What I taught you about history in my last post is 100% historical truth - with no Catholic or anti-Catholic bias. Just the plain truth.

You LOSE this argument because you refuse to do your homework and have instead chosen to remain ignorant . . .

Wow, a non-osas fighting with another non-osas poster. Interesting.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, normally I would agree with you here. If you knew enough to see that your pastor/priest wasn't being faithful, you would indeed seek elsewhere, or talk to him.
However...we must allow that some people have been raised NOT knowing enough. They have been brought to believe that what they have always had is all they need. Who's fault is that? Perhaps their parents, although that could just go on and on back up the generations. The teacher certainly, as they do have the word of God. Children, and likewise infants in the knowledge of the gospel and God, cannot learn by osmosis...just by being in a church. They need to be told initially. It's only once they have enough information that they can, themselves, realize that something isn't matching what they know scripture teaches.

Now...I'll grant you that for most people who come to a love of God, they find a hunger in themselves to pick up his word. However, the problem I see here is...if people attending a particular Catholic Parish are led to believe that they are "okay" with God...justified, in other words...by attending mass, confession, etc...then their heart and soul will not naturally seek anything outside of that. Why would they? They'd most likely be saying to themselves, "God and me, we're fine, so I get to keep living as I am, so all's well". And that's hard, because sin is seductive.


Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15

Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. - Acts 17:11

I think we must allow, biblically, that the teacher has the burden to teach the 'word' faithfully...and this includes pointing his flock to scripture themselves, If he has done this, then yes...the fault does rest on the individual.

My concern in all this was...you automatically assumed Grams was lying and that the fault rested on her. You did this without knowing her, her Priest or the situation. You assumed knowledge that only God himself can know, and was nasty to her...all because you need to defend the RCC above everything else.

If I may make a suggestion..? The Church is Christ's. And he is a conquering King. He will defend what is his quite well from unrighteousness and from sinful people. What must break his heart is to have those that are his fighting within. Trust a little more in him, and that good will triumph...which ever way that will be...and loose some of that bitterness you seem to be harboring those who speak against the RCC, even casually.

Here's the thing Naomi.
Either Grams is lying - or she never belonged to the Catholic Church. Let me explain.

She claims that she left the Catholic Church THIRTY years ago and ALL of the masses were celebrated in LATIN. The Novus Order (Ordinary form) of the Mass has been celebrated in the VERNACULAR for over FIFTY YEARS now. He math simply doe NOT add up.

As a matter of fact - unless she belonged to a renegade, dissident pseudo-Catholic faction - a licit Latin masses were pretty hard to find in 1988 - let alone the "only" game in town.

I don't harbor any "bitterness" towards people who speak against the Catholic Church - if that is their opinion.
HOWEVER, when they attempt to pass those opinions off as "facts" - then I have a bone to pic with them . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Wow, a non-osas fighting with another non-osas poster. Interesting.

Why would you find that "interesting".

The argument has nothing to do with OSAS - but an idiotic fairy tale that the Catholic Church tried to keep Bibles out of the hands of illiterates . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are still demanding for all Catholics not to be lazy by disregarding the teachings from the Catholic Church to know what the scripture actually says in putting their fears to rest.

When the Catholic catechism on pg 222 #837 teaches that although incorporated in the Catholic Church, and doing the sacraments, if the believer does not persevere in charity, he is not saved. So for a "lazy" Catholic to ally that fear of going to hell for not going to the confessional, they would have to disregard what the Catholic catechism teaches to read what the KJV Bible says instead. Funny how there is nothing about going to hell if they do not go to the confessionals or losing salvation at all when we have this promise in John 6:39-40.

You are found wanting in giving that judgment about Catholics being lazy when you fail to provide scripture to prove their laziness by allaying their fears that they are going to hell if they do not go to the confessionals.

Indeed, since you believe one can lose their salvation, you would be hard pressed to allay their fears for not going to the confessionals.

I think you stop, take a deep breath and READ your post - because it doesn't make sense.

I am not trying to ridicule you or imply that you are not intelligent.
HOWEVER - you need to re-word your post so that I can respond because it is completely garbled.

Just humor me - and everybody else reading this . . .

 

[Heb 13:8]

Why would you find that "interesting".

The argument has nothing to do with OSAS - but an idiotic fairy tale that the Catholic Church tried to keep Bibles out of the hands of illiterates . . .

Well, I suppose non-osas is spiritual, like being crippled and blind is spiritual, no faith. Can't get much illiterate than that

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw how much faith they had, he said to the crippled man, “My friend, your sins are forgiven.”

Luke 18:42 Jesus said to him, "Receive your sight; your faith has healed you."

 

[Grams]

The Novus Ordo in the VERNACULAR (NOT Latin) has been in practice for well over 50 years. This is the ORDINARY form of Mass.
To claim that there were only Latin masses in 1988 is a lie of gargantuan proportions.

Unless you belonged to a renegade, dissident Catholic sect in the 1980's, chances are that your parish celebrated Mass in ENGLISH if you lived in the USA.

Again you are calling me a liar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I grew up Catholic.......... went to 6 years to the school...... and stopped going to the
church in my 50's......
It was a Polish Church to begin with........ And English was only spoken on Sunday.
And the Mass always in Latin.... Please stop calling me a liar ..............