Is Revelation 3:10 A Secret Rapture To Heaven?

[Truth7t7]

The hour of the earth's temptation is in the final hours of the future tribulation and second coming of Jesus Christ.

As Isaiah 26:20-21below instructs the believer's to enter their dwellings and close the door, while the hour of indigination, temptation passes.

"Just Like The Passover In Egypt"

Revelation 3:10 is not a secret rapture to heaven, as is falsely taught in dispensationalism.

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Revelation 3:8-13KJV
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[Ac28]

The hour of the earth's temptation is in the final hours of the future tribulation and second coming of Jesus Christ.

As Isaiah 26:20-21below instructs the believer's to enter their dwellings and close the door, while the hour of indigination, temptation passes.

"Just Like The Passover In Egypt"

Revelation 3:10 is not a secret rapture to heaven, as is falsely taught in dispensationalism.

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Revelation 3:8-13KJV
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

I've been a dispensationalist for 30 years and have never heard of anyone saying that Rev 3:10 is a secret rapture. My type dispensationalist rightly divides and, therefore, knows that all of Revelation is future and has nothing to do with us Gentile believers of today. Of course, if the Act 2 dispensationalists believe it, I would never know it, since, to me, Acts 2 Dispensationalists are only one tiny step up from know-nothing traditionalists, like every mainstream denominational preacher on the planet. Truth doesn't emerge until you are an Acts 28 Dispensationalist. The reason is that they're really the only people on the planet that obey 2Tim 2:15 and rightly divide (correctly cut) God's Word of Truth. Therefore, according to 2Tim 2:15, they are approved unto God. I assume that means that those who don't rightly divide are not approved unto God. That could change, of course, if a person has enough guts to really believe what the Bible really says about their future afterlife. That's what right division is all about, finding out exactly what's going to happen to you and your family, in God's plan. All this is scriptural and nothing is hid under a bushel.

 

[Willie T]

Sad. Every single one of you has to try and change John's words written to living persecuted Christians on the mainland into something that couldn't have possibly meant a thing to the people his letter was actually addressed to...… only to a future generation that wouldn't even be born for thousands upon thousands of years later...…. and still may not be born for maybe another ten thousand more years.

 

[Truth7t7]

I've been a dispensationalist for 30 years and have never heard of anyone saying that Rev 3:10 is a secret rapture. My type dispensationalist rightly divides and, therefore, knows that all of Revelation is future and has nothing to do with us Gentile believers of today. Of course, if the Act 2 dispensationalists believe it, I would never know it, since, to me, Acts 2 Dispensationalists are only one tiny step up from know-nothing traditionalists, like every mainstream denominational preacher on the planet. Truth doesn't emerge until you are an Acts 28 Dispensationalist. The reason is that they're really the only people on the planet that obey 2Tim 2:15 and rightly divide (correctly cut) God's Word of Truth. Therefore, according to 2Tim 2:15, they are approved unto God. I assume that means that those who don't rightly divide are not approved unto God. That could change, of course, if a person has enough guts to really believe what the Bible really says about their future afterlife. That's what right division is all about, finding out exactly what's going to happen to you and your family, in God's plan. All this is scriptural and nothing is hid under a bushel.

I could post a 100 dispensationalist web sites that use Revelation 3:10 in supporting their teaching of a pre-trib rapture, a common teaching.

 

[Stranger]

Sad. Every single one of you has to try and change John's words written to living persecuted Christians on the mainland into something that couldn't have possibly meant a thing to the people his letter was actually addressed to...… only to a future generation that wouldn't even be born for thousands upon thousands of years later...…. and still may not be born for maybe another ten thousand more years.

Understand that the Book of Revelation is a book of prophecy. All of it. (Rev. 1:3) "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

As with much of prophecy, the prophet is addressing a real situation on earth, such as exists with the existent 7 churches, but it speaks also to a future condition of the Church. So everything the prophet spoke of has real meaning to the members of these local 7 churches. The conditions of the 7 churches represents not only conditions that can be found in churches of each age, but they represent also the Church in prophecy from its beginning to its removal.

God says in (Rev. 3:10) that he will keep the church "from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." But he also said just before that, (3:8) "...I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it:..."

Then once the message to the 7 churches is finished, God takes (raptures) John up into heaven. (Rev. 4:1) "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

John went through the 'open door' just like the Church will go through the 'open door' at the rapture. And John went up due to a voice and trumpet call. (4:1) So also the Church shall go up due to a voice and trumpet call. (1 Thess. 4:16) "For the LORD himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,with the voice of the archangel,and with the trump of God:..."

Note also, that to every church God ended his message with, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". (2:7),(2:11), (2:17), (2:29), (3:6), (3:13), (3:22) But during the judgments and trials going on during the Tribulation period, God says, (Rev. 13:9) "If any man have an ear, let him hear". Note the absence of the 'churches'. Why? Because the Church is in Heaven not on the earth at this time.

The Rapture is no 'secret'. However, how much impact it will have on the earth is unknown. For, there will not be percentage wise a large number of believers.

Stranger

 

[Ac28]

I could post a 100 dispensationalist web sites that use Revelation 3:10 in supporting their teaching of a pre-trib rapture, a common teaching.

Those sites are surely not Acts 28 sites, which is the only form of dispensationalism that is meaningful and the only one I pay any attention to. Probably Acts 2, as I said in my last post, although the mid-Acts people are also foolish enough to believe the rapture is for them.

No one today, nor anyone during the last 1955 years, will have any part in the Jewish rapture. When Israel became Loammi, not my people, at Ac 28:28, they ceased to exist, in God's eyes. At that same time, everything associated with Israel was also set aside - the Gifts, the rapture, the Acts church - you name it.

 

[Truth7t7]

Those sites are surely not Acts 28 sites, which is the only form of dispensationalism that is meaningful and the only one I pay any attention to. Probably Acts 2, as I said in my last post, although the mid-Acts people are also foolish enough to believe the rapture is for them.

No one today, nor anyone during the last 1955 years, will have any part in the Jewish rapture. When Israel became Loammi, not my people, at Ac 28:28, they ceased to exist, in God's eyes. At that same time, everything associated with Israel was also set aside - the Gifts, the rapture, the Acts church - you name it.

Ok I better understand your belief.

I believe the Church is the Israel of God.

I believe the gifts are alive for today.

I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture, the church will go through the tribulation.

 

[Ac28]

Ok I better understand your belief.

I believe the Church is the Israel of God.

I believe the gifts are alive for today.

I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture, the church will go through the tribulation.

So, what you're saying is that you don't believe your Bible. All 3 are about the all-Israel church in Acts that hasn't existed in 1955 years. The church for today can only found in Paul's 7 books written after Acts. This church has no Israel, no gifts, and no rapture.

 

[Truth7t7]

So, what you're saying is that you don't believe your Bible. All 3 are about the all-Israel church in Acts that hasn't existed in 1955 years. The church for today can only found in Paul's 7 books written after Acts. This church has no Israel, no gifts, and no rapture.

We will disagree, first time in 40 years I have heard such a teaching.

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello

The short answer is NO.

The question that needs to be asked, "How does God intend for them to be kept from the hour of temptation?"

Does He rapture them, or does He allow them to all die before the hour of temptation begins. The bible is silent on How God intends to do this and this thread is asking a trivial frivolous question about how.

 

[Truth7t7]

Hello

The short answer is NO.

The question that needs to be asked, "How does God intend for them to be kept from the hour of temptation?"

Does He rapture them, or does He allow them to all die before the hour of temptation begins. The bible is silent on How God intends to do this and this thread is asking a trivial frivolous question about how.

The Church will be present on earth during the final hour of earth's temptation, and be protected just as the Hebrews were in Egypt during the passover, as the Hebrews entered their dwellings until death passed over.

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

 

[Harvest 1874]

I could post a 100 dispensationalist web sites that use Revelation 3:10 in supporting their teaching of a pre-trib rapture, a common teaching.

There are different kinds of dispensationalist, you can't put them all into the same pot.

 

[Harvest 1874]

My type dispensationalist rightly divides and, therefore, knows that all of Revelation is future

This is whats known as futurism, which is another erroneous teaching.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Sad. Every single one of you has to try and change John's words written to living persecuted Christians on the mainland into something that couldn't have possibly meant a thing to the people his letter was actually addressed to...… only to a future generation that wouldn't even be born for thousands upon thousands of years later...…. and still may not be born for maybe another ten thousand more years.

This is known as Preterism another erroneous teaching. Preterist believe that many of the prophecies of the Bible and all the visions of the Apocalypse were completely fulfilled in the early centuries of the Church's history.

 

[Jay Ross]

The Church will be present on earth during the final hour of earth's temptation, and be protected just as the Hebrews were in Egypt during the passover, as the Hebrews entered their dwellings until death passed over.

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You then go on to assert that Isaiah 26:20-21 is still a distant future event whereas it is a near future event associated with the battles around the Armageddon Event(s)

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

After this passage, it talks about Israel being restore which occurs straight after Armageddon and the End of the gentile heathens trampling the sanctuary of God. This event has nothing to do with the final hour of earth's temptation.

Shalom

 

[Willie T]

This is known as Preterism another erroneous teaching. Preterist believe that many of the prophecies of the Bible and all the visions of the Apocalypse were completely fulfilled in the early centuries of the Church's history.

I have to laugh at the automatic fear of that "terrible" word. You do know that every single one of us are "Preterists" in many of our beliefs, don't you? Part of Revelation is very much for sometime WAY off into the future, but much of it has already happened a thousand years ago..... just as we all believe that many of the prophecies of Jesus have already been fulfilled.

 

[Truth7t7]

I have to laugh at the automatic fear of that "terrible" word. You do know that every single one of us are "Preterists" in many of our beliefs, don't you? Part of Revelation is very much for sometime WAY off into the future, but much of it has already happened a thousand years ago..... just as we all believe that many of the prophecies of Jesus have already been fulfilled.

Please enlighten me on fulfilled prophecy in Revelation?

 

[Harvest 1874]

I have to laugh at the automatic fear of that "terrible" word. You do know that every single one of us are "Preterists" in many of our beliefs, don't you? Part of Revelation is very much for sometime WAY off into the future, but much of it has already happened a thousand years ago..... just as we all believe that many of the prophecies of Jesus have already been fulfilled.

Sorry Willie but the way you worded your first statement it appeared as though you were saying everything was in the past, my mistake.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Is knowledge of history necessary to an understanding of Prophecy?

In regards to the study of prophecy, especially in regards to the Apocalypse, it is appropriate that something be said with regard to the two schools or methods of interpretation, which are radically in conflict with the true method. These two schools are the Preterist and the Futurist. The one we understand to be the true one is called the Historical.

Concerning the Preterist it seems sufficient to say that it is very generally discarded at the present time as unworthy of credence. Its teaching is that many of the prophecies of the Bible and all the visions of the Apocalypse were completely fulfilled in the early centuries of the Church's history. The Futurist interpretation is that all its visions are yet to have their fulfillment after the Church has finished its course and has entered into its reward.

It will be well to note in this connection, the words of the great Teacher Himself, "And now I have told you before it come to pass, that when it is come to pass (i.e. when you see it fulfilled) ye might believe," this statement suggests a principle of interpretation important to be observed in the study of prophecy. It is obvious, then, that it would be impossible for any one to decide whether the predictions of the Apocalypse or for that matter any prophecy have or have not met their fulfillment either wholly or partially, without observing this divinely given principle. In other words, certain knowledge of the events of history is essential in order to determine to what extent the visions have met fulfillment.

Strange as it may seem, there are some who claim that the apocalyptic visions cannot have had a fulfillment in history, because, as they say, we are told to search the Scriptures, and are nowhere told to search the historians. God, they say, is His own interpreter. Such reasoning we believe is unsound. How could we ever know that the prophecies of Daniel have met their fulfillment without acquainting ourselves with the records of history especially Jewish history? Knowledge of history is absolutely essential to the intelligent understanding of prophecy.

We are not to compare prophecy with uninspired or profane history, say our futurist friends. According to this theory, then, there could not have been any prophetic light thrown on the period of four hundred years prior to the First Advent. The same also would be true of the last two thousand years. Such reasoning would lead us to very unsound conclusions.

When the Apostle exhorted that we do well to take heed to the more sure word of prophecy, he evidently intended that we should look to the events and occurrences recorded in history to see the fulfillment of what had been predicted by the Prophets; else how could we be profited by giving heed to the more sure word of prophecy?

Let us consider for instance the prophecy of Daniel. In the vision of chapter 7 a tenfold division of the Roman Empire was predicted to take place before the establishment of the Kingdom of God on the earth. We know from Bible history that the Roman Empire was existing in its undivided form up to about 60 AD, but we are dependent upon profane history for the knowledge that it was still existing as a universal empire when the apostle John was divinely used to close the canon of Scripture by having imparted to him the visions of the Apocalyptic prophecy, which repeats this very same prediction of Daniel. How do we know that this prediction of Daniel has or has not met its fulfillment, unless from profane history?

Profane history records the fact that just such a division of the Roman Empire occurred nearly eighteen hundred years ago. It is then an indisputable fact that our knowledge of the fulfillment of prophecy is dependent upon the faithful records of uninspired historians. The Savior's words, "And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe" (John 14:29), are sufficient to substantiate this line of reasoning.

Another unreasonable, indeed rash statement made by some Futurist interpreters is that the events connected with the history of the Church of this Gospel Age are not subjects of prophecy. Those who make such a statement seem not to see that knowledge of history is needful even to warrant such an assertion! How, we ask, without knowledge of the history of the Gospel Age, can it be known that the visions of John in the Apocalypse do not present a connected outline of the leading and important events of Church history?

The assertion is an entirely proper one that knowledge of what has actually taken place is as needful to justify a denial, as an assertion of the fact. We must know a person as well before we can pronounce that a certain portrait does not resemble him, as in order to assert that it does.

"Trustworthy historians record events which they neither invented nor caused, but what occurred under God's providential government; it was He who caused, or permitted these events; they are in one sense as Divine as prophecy; that is, both proceed from Him. Prophecy is God telling us beforehand what shall happen; authentic history is men telling us what has, in the providence of God, taken place. "We dare not for these reasons exclude the light afforded by history, in the endeavor to answer the questions:

Is the prophecy of the Apocalypse fulfilled or partly so, or is it still unfulfilled?

 

[pompadour]

Unfulfilled.