10 FACTS about the Council of Jerusalem

[amadeus]

Is not the Church, the Body of Christ, which consists of people with the Holy Spirit in them and all of the people/parts of the Body are subject to the Head which is Jesus who is connected to each part/person by the Holy Spirit? Without the persons being the parts of the Body, there is no Church and without Jesus as the connected Head, there is no authority over the Body or the Church.

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Cor 1:18

"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." I Cor 12:27

"And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles." Acts 14:27

 

[amadeus]

Jesus built ONE Church - just ONE (Matt. 16:18, John 17:21-23).
He didn't build tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering sects that ALL teach different doctrines.

Now - there was ONE Church

I agree! There is only One Church, the Body of Christ, consisting of many members all subject to the Head which is Jesus.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Is not the Church, the Body of Christ, which consists of people with the Holy Spirit in them and all of the people/parts of the Body are subject to the Head which is Jesus who is connected to each part/person by the Holy Spirit? Without the persons being the parts of the Body, there is no Church and without Jesus as the connected Head, there is no authority over the Body or the Church.

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Cor 1:18

"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." I Cor 12:27

"And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles." Acts 14:27

Jesus built ONE Church - just ONE (Matt. 16:18, John 17:21-23).
He didn't build tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering sects that ALL teach different doctrines.

Either you're a PART of that ONE Church - or you are separated from it.
This is the fate of those unfortunate people in Matt. 7:21-23 . . .

Matthew 7:19-23
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"

 

[amadeus]

@BreadOfLife
Did you not notice that I agreed with you in post #42?

[It is very strange that I seem to have responded to your post # 43 before you posted it. LOL ]

 

[FHII]

@BreadOfLife
Did you not notice that I agreed with you in post #42?

[It is very strange that I seem to have responded to your post # 43 before you posted it. LOL ]

Yea.. That freaked me out! Then again, its really not difficult to antipate the points that long standing vets of this board will say. Their consistency is at least admiable. But I am impressed you addressed it so presicely.

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife
Did you not notice that I agreed with you in post #42?

[It is very strange that I seem to have responded to your post # 43 before you posted it. LOL ]

Sooooo, you believe that ALL of the man made Protestant denominations are outside of the ONE Church?
Funny - that's not what I got from your post . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I agree! There is only One Church, the Body of Christ, consisting of many members all subject to the Head which is Jesus.

Yup - and Jesus equated himself with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

Now - WHICH one of the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects do you think He was talking about?

 

[FHII]

Where do you get the false idea that Paul was converted while Jesus was still alive??

Charity didn't do anything but quote scripture... Sure, in a unique way. No diffent from anyone who puts in bold print what they want to emphasize. You and I do the same.

Paul was confirmed by Jesus when Jesus was no longer in the flesh. Think on that... It makes him more qualified to preach the message of grace where we aren't to know men by the flesh. Maybe that's why God gave the task to Paul instead of Peter who protested.

Charity should answer for him or her self... But I find the charge baseless. Charity never said Paul was saved when Jesus was still alive unless the scripture said so.

And I certainly believe that Gkd foreordained it before the foubdations of the world.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Charity didn't do anything but quote scripture... Sure, in a unique way. No diffent from anyone who puts in bold print what they want to emphasize. You and I do the same.

Paul was confirmed by Jesus when Jesus was no longer in the flesh. Think on that... It makes him more qualified to preach the message of grace where we aren't to know men by the flesh. Maybe that's why God gave the task to Paul instead of Peter who protested.

Charity should answer for him or her self... But I find the charge baseless. Charity never said Paul was saved when Jesus was still alive unless the scripture said so.

And I certainly believe that Gkd foreordained it before the foubdations of the world.

And that's NOT what I asked at all.
In fact - you danced around the entire issue.

I asked - WHERE did charity get the false idea that Paul was converted while Jesus was still alive (AD 32)??

 

[amadeus]

Yea.. That freaked me out! Then again, its really not difficult to antipate the points that long standing vets of this board will say. Their consistency is at least admiable. But I am impressed you addressed it so presicely.

It really did make me laugh. I had noticed a problem before but nothing so clearly twisted [not referring to scriptures] as this.

 

[amadeus]

Sooooo, you believe that ALL of the man made Protestant denominations are outside of the ONE Church?

Absolutely and Catholicism as well.

Funny - that's not what I got from your post . . .

Are we not communicating?

 

[amadeus]

Yup - and Jesus equated himself with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

He is the Head and the Head should be aware of what is happening in the Body.

Now - WHICH one of the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects do you think He was talking about?

None of them!

 

[FHII]

Folks:

I'd like to pull this all together and talk about my point I am trying to make. I suspect everyone will be angered and disagree. But hey... So be it.

There is absolutely no reason to suspect the Church is not a spiritual entity. The Body of Christ AKA the bride is made up of many members. Not those of one denomination or non denominational Church. It depends on who is speaking the truth.

The Church is spiritual, yet there is a physical and earthly Church that is established. Jesus and Peter spoke of its govt structure but Paul really laid down the hierarchy.

So I respect the earthly Church anfd its government. And frankly... Historically speaking I don't habe too much problem with the structure of the Catholic Church. The framework for such a large entity is not wrong. I have a problem with such terms as "Pope". But its small beans.

This is about the Council at Jerusalem. A careful reading of it proves many beliefs about it to be wrong. I have documented them and have not been satisfied with objections.

The Church is not greater than the doctrine of Christ. The earthly and spiritual Church MUST follow what was laid down by Jesus, Paul, Peter and John and the rest of the apostlea.

Who had greater authority at the council? Well.. Who won? Peter was on Paul's side so Peter and Paul won. Peter was nothing more than an advocate for Paul during the council ao Paul really was the sole victor.

But it isn't about Paul. Never was... His doctrine won and his doctrine camw from Christ.

What I am concerned with iisthe belief that Paul couldn't do anyrhing unless the Church said he could. No... PAUL AT THE TIME WAS THE CHURCH! The Church never had authority over him.

In short... Doctrine dictates the Church. The Church cannot dictate doctrine.

 

[FHII]

And that's NOT what I asked at all.
In fact - you danced around the entire issue.

I asked - WHERE did charity get the false idea that Paul was converted while Jesus was still alive (AD 32)??

Well then its stupid altogether. Charity never said that. So you are asking for a source for somethi g that wasn't even said, but Charity quoted scripture so you are arguing about a point that was never made and arguing about it against scripture.

Sheesh! I have heard some state thay James was killed before he presided over the council of Jerusalem and before he asked Paul to be purified. .. So I suppose that this isn't as stupid as that... But it rivals it.

 

[pia]

Jesus and Peter spoke of its govt structure but Paul really laid down the hierarchy.

I recall reading Jesus explaining to His Disciples that it should NOT be so among them , having hierarchy and such....He made a point of it being so among the gentiles, but should not be so among them....... I do not remember seeing anywhere Jesus telling them how to set up their 'government' within His Called out Ones...
With a hierarchy, there will ALWAYS be men, who's pride cannot take that, in fact most people are not good at having authority over others.
We are told to guard our hearts above all, as He knows that every manner of evil comes from the heart of man.....Putting one person above another is contrary to Christ's teachings, which is sadly exactly what organized religions do..

 

[BreadOfLife]

Absolutely and Catholicism as well.
Are we not communicating?

So, YOU believe that ALL of the tens of thousands of Protestant denominations are outside of Christ's Church - yet you claim that they are the Body of Christ??
Care to explain that one??

 

[BreadOfLife]

None of them!

Thank you for agreeing with me.

Now - since YOU believe that NO Protestants or Catholics are part of the Body of Christ - WHO is the Body of Christ??

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well then its stupid altogether. Charity never said that. So you are asking for a source for somethi g that wasn't even said, but Charity quoted scripture so you are arguing about a point that was never made and arguing about it against scripture.

Sheesh! I have heard some state thay James was killed before he presided over the council of Jerusalem and before he asked Paul to be purified. .. So I suppose that this isn't as stupid as that... But it rivals it.

WRONG.

In post #37, Charity made the following statement:
"* AD 32 Paul's conversion - (18 years ) - AD 50 Jerusalem council"

My question again is, WHERE did charity get the false idea that Paul was converted while Jesus was still alive (AD 32)??

The only thing "Stupid" here is denying the facts . . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Folks:

I'd like to pull this all together and talk about my point I am trying to make. I suspect everyone will be angered and disagree. But hey... So be it.

There is absolutely no reason to suspect the Church is not a spiritual entity. The Body of Christ AKA the bride is made up of many members. Not those of one denomination or non denominational Church. It depends on who is speaking the truth.

The Church is spiritual, yet there is a physical and earthly Church that is established. Jesus and Peter spoke of its govt structure but Paul really laid down the hierarchy.

So I respect the earthly Church anfd its government. And frankly... Historically speaking I don't habe too much problem with the structure of the Catholic Church. The framework for such a large entity is not wrong. I have a problem with such terms as "Pope". But its small beans.

This is about the Council at Jerusalem. A careful reading of it proves many beliefs about it to be wrong. I have documented them and have not been satisfied with objections.

The Church is not greater than the doctrine of Christ. The earthly and spiritual Church MUST follow what was laid down by Jesus, Paul, Peter and John and the rest of the apostlea.

Who had greater authority at the council? Well.. Who won? Peter was on Paul's side so Peter and Paul won. Peter was nothing more than an advocate for Paul during the council ao Paul really was the sole victor.

But it isn't about Paul. Never was... His doctrine won and his doctrine camw from Christ.

What I am concerned with iisthe belief that Paul couldn't do anyrhing unless the Church said he could. No... PAUL AT THE TIME WAS THE CHURCH! The Church never had authority over him.

In short... Doctrine dictates the Church. The Church cannot dictate doctrine.

Okay - as to your comments in RED = here is my question:
When there is an issue in the Church that needs clarification - the "hierarchy" of WHICH one of the tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant sects makes the decision?

In Matt. 18:15-18, Jesus said that the Church makes the FINAL decision in these types of matters.
Take your time . . .


PS - Paul was NEVER the "Church" by himself - and neither is ANY man.
You have perversted Scripture.

 

[charity]

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Where do you get the false idea that Paul was converted while Jesus was still alive??

That said - EVERYBODY within the Church is subject TO the Church's Authority ( Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 15:12-15, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

'And hath put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church,
which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.'
(Eph 1:22-23)

Hello @BreadOfLife,

* With respect, Christ alone has the authority to use the title 'The Bread of Life' (John 6:35).

* Paul, as you well know, was converted by Christ Jesus, the risen and ascended Lord.

* The Church which is being called out during this present administration, is, 'The Church which is His Body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all', of which company God the Father has placed Christ as it's Head. He alone is the Authority that we are subject to.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris