Spotlight On The Disasterous RCC "Celibacy" Requirement

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epostle 1, there's nothing "phony" about me - for I know the Christ of the Bible, not the false Christ, Antichrist, Prince of Pedophiles enthroned in Saint Peter's Basilica. You said "Sex with teenagers is NOT pedophilia."
#1- You appear to be a pedophilia sympathizer, so please do not approach within 50 feet of my teenage daughter.


#2- It is YOU who are covering up for the crimes of the Papacy and there is no defense for the indefensible.
You ARE pretty angry - but you don't appear to be all that bright.
Sex with teenagers is referred to as "Pederasty" and "statutory rape" - not Pedophilia. Crack open a dictionary once in a while . . .

Also - NOBODY is "covering up" anything. We're simply showing that before rabid, ignorant anti-Catholics like yourself go around pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for sexual scandal - you need to take a look in your OWN backyards. Billy Graham's son isn't the ONLY one reporting this abomination among your Protestant sects.

In other words - try NOT to fall into the cesspool of hypocrisy . . .
 

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It is pretty amazing that some believe the church with the most recorded abuse is the winner of the satan award

Just because the Catholic Church has over a billion members shouldn’t excuse the abuse in other institutions. People sure love to point fingers

Seems to me that all Christians should be working together to address this terrible problem and focused on caring for the victims, rather than using the issue to ignored the problems in their own churches.
 

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When they take that microphone-looking thing and shake it repeatedly, and "holy water" comes sprinkling out, but there is also what ever is used to pour a little water on babies for baptism- which is not a full-immersion baptism made in front of witnesses by the poor little babies' conscience choice, but decided for them.
Do me a favor - show me where the Bible tells us HOW a Baptism is performed.
Chapter and verse, please . . .
 

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You ARE pretty angry - but you don't appear to be all that bright.
Sex with teenagers is referred to as "Pederasty" and "statutory rape" - not Pedophilia. Crack open a dictionary once in a while . . .

Also - NOBODY is "covering up" anything. We're simply showing that before rabid, ignorant anti-Catholics like yourself go around pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for sexual scandal - you need to take a look in your OWN backyards. Billy Graham's son isn't the ONLY one reporting this abomination among your Protestant sects.

In other words - try NOT to fall into the cesspool of hypocrisy . . .
1) Yes, most people are angry, incensed, infuriated at pathetic Catholics priests who abuse minors of all ages and ruin their lives before they've even begun to live them.

2) As a Catholic, I'm not surprised you are familiar with all the terminology which describes the different facets of child sexual abuse - it's a wonder that you all don't yet have Pedophile Priest bubble gum trading cards yet......However, we non-Catholics who are for the most part ignorant (thankfully) of such things are content for the purposes of simplicity and expediency to use the umbrella term "pedophile" to describe the unspeakable crimes of those that you defend so vehemently.

3) Catholicism is not covering up anything? The Jesuit Order wasn't commissioned for the express purpose to destroy the Protestant Reformation? Jesuit priests Alcazar and Ribera didn't develop the polar opposite eschatological interpretations of prophecy - Preterism and Futurism respectively - in order that the fingers of the Protestant Reformers which pointed squarely at the Papacy as the Antichrist of Prophecy might be deflected to the past (Preterism), the future (Futurism), anywhere but at the true Antichrist enthroned in Rome and sitting in the temple of God showing himself as God? And, did not for decades Catholic leadership protect their own, pay off victims' families, pressure law enforcement and prosecutors to look the other way, and NOW we are supposed to believe the RCC is on the level?

4) You failed to answer my question: Where are all the victims of your made up systematic, leadership sanctioned, church funded pastor/youth worker Protestant child sex abuse? Do you not understand how profoundly stupid it sounds to thinking people when someone attempts to equate the minuscule fraction of cases that are reported to exist on our side to the global catastrophic crisis of Biblical proportion that is the RCC child sex abuse scandal?

Look, you're not dealing with an average Protestant who doesn't know that your pathetic "Bread of the Presence" comes straight out of occult, pagan, sex-cult, sun worship as the "male" generative principle that is united with the "female" monstrance, OK? Stop denying what the Papacy is - evil incarnate.
 
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Do me a favor - show me where the Bible tells us HOW a Baptism is performed.
Chapter and verse, please . . .
Jesus "came up out of the water" after His baptism, which means He had to have gone "down into the water". Look it up. "Baptizo" means "to immerse" -- not sprinkle, not tie-dye, not pass under a spigot.

As long as you're demanding chapter and verse, how about showing us where we are to call a priest "father" or call Jorge "Holy father", please. I can show you where Jesus said call no man "father" and that the name of God is "holy and reverend", not some sinful pope or preacher.
 
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It is pretty amazing that some believe the church with the most recorded abuse is the winner of the satan award

Just because the Catholic Church has over a billion members shouldn’t excuse the abuse in other institutions. People sure love to point fingers

Seems to me that all Christians should be working together to address this terrible problem and focused on caring for the victims, rather than using the issue to ignored the problems in their own churches.

Amen.
 

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Jesus "came up out of the water" after His baptism, which means He had to have gone "down into the water". Look it up. "Baptizo" means "to immerse" -- not sprinkle, not tie-dye, not pass under a spigot.

Let's see if he answers this. I'm waiting with baited breath.
 
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Jesus "came up out of the water" after His baptism, which means He had to have gone "down into the water". Look it up. "Baptizo" means "to immerse" -- not sprinkle, not tie-dye, not pass under a spigot.

As long as you're demanding chapter and verse, how about showing us where we are to call a priest "father" or call Jorge "Holy father", please. I can show you where Jesus said call no man "father" and that the name of God is "holy and reverend", not some sinful pope or preacher.
NOWHERE does Scripture describe a Baptism and how it is performed.
I have been to MANY different Protestant Baptisms and they do them differently. Some dunk the person backwards - and some dunk them forward. Some dunk the three times. - some dunk once. If YOU believe the Bible to be our SOLE Authority - where does the BIBLE describe the process??

As to calling anybody "Father" - Jesus NEVER forbade us to call men "Father".
His prohibition was against calling and considering them Father ABOVE our Father in Heaven. He wasa talking about the Pharisees who exalted themselves before all.

Don't believe me? What do you do with the following passages then??
- Exodus 20:12 - "Honor your father and Mother.
- "Jesus said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).
- St. Stephen refers to "our father Abraham," (Acts 7:2).
- St. Paul speaks of "our father Isaac” (Romans 9:10).
- For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).


In Matt. 23:8, Jesus tells His followers not to call anybody teacher. Do you really believe He meant that for ALL teachers??
- "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7).
- "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11).
- "God has appointed in the church first Apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28).

STUDY your Bible . . .

 

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1) Yes, most people are angry, incensed, infuriated at pathetic Catholics priests who abuse minors of all ages and ruin their lives before they've even begun to live them.

2) As a Catholic, I'm not surprised you are familiar with all the terminology which describes the different facets of child sexual abuse - it's a wonder that you all don't yet have Pedophile Priest bubble gum trading cards yet......However, we non-Catholics who are for the most part ignorant (thankfully) of such things are content for the purposes of simplicity and expediency to use the umbrella term "pedophile" to describe the unspeakable crimes of those that you defend so vehemently.

3) Catholicism is not covering up anything? The Jesuit Order wasn't commissioned for the express purpose to destroy the Protestant Reformation? Jesuit priests Alcazar and Ribera didn't develop the polar opposite eschatological interpretations of prophecy - Preterism and Futurism respectively - in order that the fingers of the Protestant Reformers which pointed squarely at the Papacy as the Antichrist of Prophecy might be deflected to the past (Preterism), the future (Futurism), anywhere but at the true Antichrist enthroned in Rome and sitting in the temple of God showing himself as God? And, did not for decades Catholic leadership protect their own, pay off victims' families, pressure law enforcement and prosecutors to look the other way, and NOW we are supposed to believe the RCC is on the level?

4) You failed to answer my question: Where are all the victims of your made up systematic, leadership sanctioned, church funded pastor/youth worker Protestant child sex abuse? Do you not understand how profoundly stupid it sounds to thinking people when someone attempts to equate the minuscule fraction of cases that are reported to exist on our side to the global catastrophic crisis of Biblical proportion that is the RCC child sex abuse scandal?

Look, you're not dealing with an average Protestant who doesn't know that your pathetic "Bread of the Presence" comes straight out of occult, pagan, sex-cult, sun worship as the "male" generative principle that is united with the "female" monstrance, OK? Stop denying what the Papacy is - evil incarnate.
You seem to be preoccupied with the sex scandal that rocked the Catholic Church.
Are you at ALL concerned about the far greater numbers of sexual molestations going on in your own Protestant churches - or do you just turn a blind, hypocritical eye??

'Spotlight': It's not just a Catholic problem - Religion News Service
Evangelicals 'worse' than Catholics on sexual abuse | The Christian ...
Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis : NPR
Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a 'Catholic problem ...

Evangelical Sex Abuse Record 'Worse' Than Catholic, Says Billy ...
Child Sexual Abuse in Protestant Christian Congregations - MDPI
Is Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among ...
There is More Sexual Abuse in The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy
Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year
Protecting Victims of Sexual Abuse in Evangelical Churches
It's Not Just the Catholic Church that Has Abuse Scandals


Ummmmm . . . talk about an "inconvenient" truth . . .

Matt. 7:3
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
 

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It is pretty amazing that some believe the church with the most recorded abuse is the winner of the satan award

Just because the Catholic Church has over a billion members shouldn’t excuse the abuse in other institutions. People sure love to point fingers

Seems to me that all Christians should be working together to address this terrible problem and focused on caring for the victims, rather than using the issue to ignored the problems in their own churches.


And I add a very big AMEN...to Nomad's .
 
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NOWHERE does Scripture describe a Baptism and how it is performed.
I have been to MANY different Protestant Baptisms and they do them differently. Some dunk the person backwards - and some dunk them forward. Some dunk the three times. - some dunk once. If YOU believe the Bible to be our SOLE Authority - where does the BIBLE describe the process??

As to calling anybody "Father" - Jesus NEVER forbade us to call men "Father".
His prohibition was against calling and considering them Father ABOVE our Father in Heaven. He wasa talking about the Pharisees who exalted themselves before all.

Though the RCC denies as you do by definition that "father" is not to be used to

Don't believe me? What do you do with the following passages then??
- Exodus 20:12 - "Honor your father and Mother.
- "Jesus said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).
- St. Stephen refers to "our father Abraham," (Acts 7:2).
- St. Paul speaks of "our father Isaac” (Romans 9:10).
- For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).


In Matt. 23:8, Jesus tells His followers not to call anybody teacher. Do you really believe He meant that for ALL teachers??
- "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7).
- "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11).
- "God has appointed in the church first Apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28).

STUDY your Bible . . .
When taken together, the phrases "went up straightway out of the water", "they went down both into the water...they came up out of the water", and even the very oft repeated words "was baptized", demonstrate that a sufficient amount of water to fully immerse the baptismal candidate was needed for the ceremony. There was discovered an ancient RCC with a large baptistry sufficient for performing full immersion baptisms, and also archived writings of church historians which attest to the RCC having practiced full immersion baptism before the convenience of pouring over the head became the preferred method.

Although RCC apologists like yourself deny it, the encouraged use of the term "father" by RCC leadership is meant to blasphemously invest those to whom it is directed with more than the mere paternal or genealogical references found throughout the Bible - equality with/superiority to the heavenly Father. Dignities and Duties of the Priest claims that the Eucharistic transubstantiation makes the priest "the creator of his Creator", which is so disgustingly blasphemous words can't describe, and also that forgiveness which the Bible says comes from God alone is sourced by the pope and obtained through RCC priestly intercession, which the Bible also calls blasphemy.
 
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You seem to be preoccupied with the sex scandal that rocked the Catholic Church.
Are you at ALL concerned about the far greater numbers of sexual molestations going on in your own Protestant churches - or do you just turn a blind, hypocritical eye??

'Spotlight': It's not just a Catholic problem - Religion News Service
Evangelicals 'worse' than Catholics on sexual abuse | The Christian ...
Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis : NPR
Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a 'Catholic problem ...

Evangelical Sex Abuse Record 'Worse' Than Catholic, Says Billy ...
Child Sexual Abuse in Protestant Christian Congregations - MDPI
Is Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among ...
There is More Sexual Abuse in The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy
Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year
Protecting Victims of Sexual Abuse in Evangelical Churches
It's Not Just the Catholic Church that Has Abuse Scandals


Ummmmm . . . talk about an "inconvenient" truth . . .

Matt. 7:3
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
The liberal mainstream news media despises Bible fundamentalist Protestantism with a depth of hatred that is no where near that of its opinion of the Bible-marginalizing RCC, especially since Jorge began singing their favorite songs. The leftist media would not hesitate for a moment to seize upon anything that would give it even the slightest chance to smear Protestantism, so where's the victims? When it comes to the problem of child sex abuse, Protestantism and the RCC can't even stand together in the same solar system, let alone the same room.
 

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It is pretty amazing that some believe the church with the most recorded abuse is the winner of the satan award

Just because the Catholic Church has over a billion members shouldn’t excuse the abuse in other institutions. People sure love to point fingers

Seems to me that all Christians should be working together to address this terrible problem and focused on caring for the victims, rather than using the issue to ignored the problems in their own churches.
So, who's condemning the billion members? Not one person here that I've seen. However, there is plenty of condemnation of RCC LEADERSHIP (and rightly so). Unlike the RCC which teaches you can't go to heaven unless you acknowledge the supremacy of the pope, my church teaches that the majority of the faithful today are not even members of my denomination, but acknowledge the supremacy of Jesus and are living up to all the light that the Holy Spirit has revealed to them, which is why none of us cannot and should not judge another's eternal destiny.
 
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So, who's condemning the billion members? Not one person here that I've seen. However, there is plenty of condemnation of RCC LEADERSHIP (and rightly so). Unlike the RCC which teaches you can't go to heaven unless you acknowledge the supremacy of the pope, my church teaches that the majority of the faithful today are not members of my denomination, but acknowledge the supremacy of Jesus and are living up to all the light that the Holy Spirit has revealed to them, which is why none of us cannot and should not judge another's eternal destiny.

You seem to have a talent for making up crazy doctrine and calling it Catholic.......ends justify the means, much? When did you first decide to be personally offended by your understanding of Catholic doctrine? Are you this vehement about other personal attacks? The Pope sounds much more supreme and powerful in your view than mine, and I am Catholic...

I am actually really interested in how you decided to embark on this crusade......did you let BOL get to you? He has gotten to me at times...lol
 

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Doesn't Leviticus 19:17 essentially say that if we fail to warn others of what is sin - "the transgression of the law" - that we actually hate them? Just as if we allow someone to board an out-of-service elevator that we know will plunge them to their death?
 
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You seem to have a talent for making up crazy doctrine and calling it Catholic.......ends justify the means, much? When did you first decide to be personally offended by your understanding of Catholic doctrine? Are you this vehement about other personal attacks? The Pope sounds much more supreme and powerful in your view than mine, and I am Catholic...

I am actually really interested in how you decided to embark on this crusade......did you let BOL get to you? He has gotten to me at times...lol
In February 1893, the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists appealed to the U.S. government for its decision to close the World's Fair on Sundays with resolutions adopted which had to do with the 1st Amendment "establishment clause" - "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Having caught her attention, the RCC capitalized on the issue by quickly publishing a series of articles that raised an important challenge to Protestants everywhere: why do Protestants keep Sunday?

www.romeschallenge.com

The articles presented an excellent argument for why there is no Biblical precedent for keeping Sunday holy as a rest day and addressed several of Protestantism's popular reasons for why they do. The RCC's conclusion is that the change from Saturday to Sunday was "not based on any direction given in the Scriptures, but from the church's own sense of divine power...People who think the Scriptures should be the sole authority should logically become Seventh-day Adventists and keep Saturday holy." The RCC is the only Christian denomination that claims it has the authority to deviate from the Bible, which though I strongly disagree, I respect and fully support them in their challenge to Protestants. They are absolutely correct.

The papacy simply fulfills all the identifying marks of the Antichrist in prophecy, plain and simple. It is my hope that both Catholics and Protestants will come to understand the issues so that an intelligent decision can be made as to which authority we will rest our eternal destiny: the authority of papists or Christ's authority. The RCC is the Antichrist system predicted to come and it is my prayer that sincere Catholics and ecumenical-minded Protestants everywhere will abandon it for the truth of the Gospel as it is found in the Bible like the great Catholic exodus of the days of Luther. The Reformation would have never taken place if men had kept as silent on the issues then as many would have true Protestants keep silent today.
 
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In February 1893, the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists appealed to the U.S. government for its decision to close the World's Fair on Sundays with resolutions adopted which had to do with the 1st Amendment "establishment clause" - "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Having caught her attention, the RCC capitalized on the issue by quickly publishing a series of articles that raised an important challenge to Protestants everywhere: why do Protestants keep Sunday?

www.romeschallenge.com

The articles presented an excellent argument for why there is no Biblical precedent for keeping Sunday holy as a rest day and addressed several of Protestantism's popular reasons for why they do. The RCC's conclusion is that the change from Saturday to Sunday was "not based on any direction given in the Scriptures, but from the church's own sense of divine power...People who think the Scriptures should be the sole authority should logically become Seventh-day Adventists and keep Saturday holy." The RCC is the only Christian denomination that claims it has the authority to deviate from the Bible, which though I strongly disagree, I respect and fully support their position on the issue. They are absolutely correct.

The papacy simply fulfills all the identifying marks of the Antichrist in prophecy, plain and simple. It is my hope that both Catholics and Protestants will come to understand the issues so that an intelligent decision can be made as to which authority we will rest our eternal destiny: the authority of papists or Christ's authority. The RCC is the Antichrist system predicted to come and it is my prayer that sincere Catholics everywhere will abandon it for the truth of the Gospel as it is found in the Bible like the great Catholic exodus of the days of Luther. The Reformation would have never taken place if men had kept as silent on the issues then as many would have true Protestants keep silent today.

And suddenly, it all makes sense....

Another slave of Ellen White

My God have mercy on your soul
 

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Doesn't Leviticus 19:17 essentially say that if we fail to warn others of what is sin - "the transgression of the law" - that we actually hate them? Just as if we allow someone to board an out-of-service elevator that we know will plunge them to their death?

Perhaps after you remove your White from your own eye, you can see clearly enough to criticize others
 

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And suddenly, it all makes sense....

Another slave of Ellen White

My God have mercy on your soul
LOL, I guess when all you have in response to "thus saith the LORD" is "thus saith the pope", the default is always ad hominem, right?