first thing's first

[DPMartin]

Exo 25:8 And let them make Me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them.

Exo 25:9 According to all that I show thee, the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the furniture thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Exo 25:10 And they shall make an ark of acacia-wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.


note that the fist instruction to the sanctuary with the Lord God of Israel that He may dwell with them is the ark, known as the Ark of the Covenant where the covenant, the agreement, the contract, the law is kept.


thing is back in the day without the ark of the covenant did they loss their God or did they just loss His agreement with them to be their God?


Num_15:41 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the LORD your God.'

 

[bbyrd009]

i think it's more like a process of learning, wherein the previous ignorance is forgiven, like we would do with a child maybe

 

[Windmill Charge]

thing is back in the day without the ark of the covenant did they loss their God or did they just loss His agreement with them to be their God?

Where does it say that God's covernant with Israel is dependant upon having either the 'ark' or the temple?

As far as I'm aware right back in exodus the terms where 'if you keep my laws' and not keep hold of the ark.

 

[DPMartin]

Where does it say that God's covernant with Israel is dependant upon having either the 'ark' or the temple?

As far as I'm aware right back in exodus the terms where 'if you keep my laws' and not keep hold of the ark.

what the matter? can't you see the question mark at the end of the sentence?

 

[Armadillo]

note that the fist instruction to the sanctuary with the Lord God of Israel that He may dwell with them is the ark, known as the Ark of the Covenant where the covenant, the agreement, the contract, the law is kept.

Acts 15:15-18, The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

“‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’
things known from long ago.

The Ark of the Covenant was the tabernacle of David and David placed the Ark in a tabernacle and he pitches for it. In David's tabernacle, the blessings are on the Ark, not the tent. James talked about the prophecy of Amos because under the OC people were terrified of God and David looked forward to a better Covenant. James said that Jesus and His death on the cross brought back the tabernacle of David; therefore, in conclusion, the blessings we get are not from us but from Jesus in us.

 

[DPMartin]

Acts 15:15-18, The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

“‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’
things known from long ago.

The Ark of the Covenant was the tabernacle of David and David placed the Ark in a tabernacle and he pitches for it. In David's tabernacle, the blessings are on the Ark, not the tent. James talked about the prophecy of Amos because under the OC people were terrified of God and David looked forward to a better Covenant. James said that Jesus and His death on the cross brought back the tabernacle of David; therefore, in conclusion, the blessings we get are not from us but from Jesus in us.

though this by itself is true " the blessings we get are not from us but from Jesus in us", the rest of what you say about the tabernacle isn't. the ark of the covenant was established in Moses' day and so was the tabernacle it was placed in.

the statement in scripture you use

Amo_9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

tent or tabernacle refers to David's house or household more closer, his genealogy seeing God promised David that his sons would stay the throne, and Jesus as a Son of man is of the house of David and by birth right, has right to throne of David. something the Jewish authorities of the days when Jesus walked amongst them were concern about.

 

[Armadillo]

though this by itself is true " the blessings we get are not from us but from Jesus in us", the rest of what you say about the tabernacle isn't. the ark of the covenant was established in Moses' day and so was the tabernacle it was placed in.

Yes, of course, the tabernacle was built by Moses and Solomon, David's son, built the temple. When/where was the tabernacle of David?

the statement in scripture you use

Amo_9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

tent or tabernacle refers to David's house or household more closer, his genealogy seeing God promised David that his sons would stay the throne, and Jesus as a Son of man is of the house of David and by birth right, has right to throne of David. something the Jewish authorities of the days when Jesus walked amongst them were concern about.

God's blessings weren't on the tabernacle, His blessings were on the Ark and God blesses all who approach it. I have no idea why you have an argument over this.

 

[DPMartin]

God's blessings weren't on the tabernacle, His blessings were on the Ark and God blesses all who approach it. I have no idea why you have an argument over this.

Lev 16:2 And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat.

don't see blessing there


2Sa 6:3 And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart. 4 And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark. 5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals. 6 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. 7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God.


don't see blessing there either

Emerods is an archaic term for hemorrhoids. ... Modern scholars have pointed out that the Hebrew term Ophalim, translated "emerods" in the King James Version, could also be translated as "tumors", as is done in the Revised Version of the Bible.



1Sa 6:7 Now therefore make a new cart, and take two milch kine, on which there hath come no yoke, and tie the kine to the cart, and bring their calves home from them: 8 And take the ark of the LORD, and lay it upon the cart; and put the jewels of gold, which ye return him for a trespass offering, in a coffer by the side thereof; and send it away, that it may go. 9 And see, if it goeth up by the way of his own coast to Bethshemesh, then he hath done us this great evil: but if not, then we shall know that it is not his hand that smote us: it was a chance that happened to us. 10 And the men did so; and took two milch kine, and tied them to the cart, and shut up their calves at home: 11 And they laid the ark of the LORD upon the cart, and the coffer with the mice of gold and the images of their emerods. 12 And the kine took the straight way to the way of Bethshemesh, and went along the highway, lowing as they went, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left; and the lords of the Philistines went after them unto the border of Bethshemesh.

they approached the ark, and surly there was no blessing there, you should read 1Sam 4-6





though the vail was split when Jesus was on the cross, but the only acceptable access is still the through Jesus only, and He's the One that's there.

 

[Armadillo]

they approached the ark, and surly there was no blessing there, you should read 1Sam 4-6

And you should read about Obed-Edom.

 

[Armadillo]

don't see blessing there either

Emerods is an archaic term for hemorrhoids. ... Modern scholars have pointed out that the Hebrew term Ophalim, translated "emerods" in the King James Version, could also be translated as "tumors", as is done in the Revised Version of the Bible.

1 Samuel 5:9, and they had emerods in their secret parts

In the words of Arnie, "It's not a tumor!"

 

[DPMartin]

1 Samuel 5:9, and they had emerods in their secret parts

In the words of Arnie, "It's not a tumor!"

LOL, I was sure of that, but didn't find it. the Lord can get you where it hurts, when He wants your attention.

 

[Windmill Charge]

what the matter? can't you see the question mark at the end of the sentence?

If you ask a question it is based on either information you have or on a lack of information.

Which applies to you?

 

[DPMartin]

If you ask a question it is based on either information you have or on a lack of information.

Which applies to you?

what applies to this thread is:
thing is back in the day without the ark of the covenant did they loss their God or did they just loss His agreement with them to be their God?

 

[Windmill Charge]

what applies to this thread is:
thing is back in the day without the ark of the covenant did they loss their God or did they just loss His agreement with them to be their God?

In my understanding it is neither.
All they lost was a momentoe of how God had formed a covernant with them.

 

[DPMartin]

In my understanding it is neither.
All they lost was a momentoe of how God had formed a covernant with them.

as I said "back in the day"


1Sa 4:4 So the people sent to Shiloh, that they might bring from thence the ark of the covenant of the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth between the cherubims: and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were there with the ark of the covenant of God.

1Sa 4:5 And when the ark of the covenant of the LORD came into the camp, all Israel shouted with a great shout, so that the earth rang again.



read 1Samuel 4-6 its not about what you think, its about what they believed, in their experience with the Lord their God.

 

[Windmill Charge]

as I said "back in the day"


1Sa 4:4 So the people sent to Shiloh, that they might bring from thence the ark of the covenant of the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth between the cherubims: and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were there with the ark of the covenant of God.

1Sa 4:5 And when the ark of the covenant of the LORD came into the camp, all Israel shouted with a great shout, so that the earth rang again.



read 1Samuel 4-6 its not about what you think, its about what they believed, in their experience with the Lord their God.

In that incident they believed, as did the philistines that the ark represented the precence of God.
It did and it didn't. God does not let us use him for our advantage, whether getting a good job or winning a battle. had the israelites been trusting in God they would not have needed or wanted the ark at the battle ground.
God's promise to them was that if they were faithfull then a handfull of them would defeat an army.
So the ark did not represent God precence among an unfaithfull israel, yet amidst an unbeliving philistines the ark did become the representation of God.

 

[DPMartin]

In that incident they believed, as did the philistines that the ark represented the precence of God.
It did and it didn't. God does not let us use him for our advantage, whether getting a good job or winning a battle. had the israelites been trusting in God they would not have needed or wanted the ark at the battle ground.
God's promise to them was that if they were faithfull then a handfull of them would defeat an army.
So the ark did not represent God precence among an unfaithfull israel, yet amidst an unbeliving philistines the ark did become the representation of God.

Lev_16:2 And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat.


appear:
To come forth into view, as from a place or state of concealment, or from a distance; to become visible.


the would be the presence of whatever appears.


so no, your wrong, God said He will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat. the gentile views of Christianity don't apply here. in the real world to know is to have received revelation, therefore then one believes. God spoke the ten commandments to all the Israel men from Sinai without requirements of belief, but you can bet they believed there was a great power atop that mountain.


but it wasn't long after that


Exo_32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.


but that didn't change the fact that the Almighty was with them.