Jesus never said he was God Almighty

[APAK]

thanks for the reply. calm down.... (smile). it's your making. yes, the Spirit of Christ is the Same as the Spirit of God.

that statement you just have made nullified your topic "Jesus never said he was God Almighty". he said it in the prophets of OLD and he is saying "I AM almighty God in the new testament by his chosen apostles.

lastly, don't get annoyed with me, get annoyed with yourself, you made the ignorant ERROR of posting this topic. :cool:.

and just because you cannot answer the question I put forth to you. don't get made, just study more.....



PCY.

I'm good now...forget it, I do get a little snappy..and I'm not happy I reacted that way to you..

Is does not nullify my OP title in any way. You have to understand what the spiritual gifts of God are all about. I think you have yourself in knots here.

I'm not going to entertain my explanation right now, full.

I will though give you another example of God's gifts of spirits.....take John the Baptist, remember when others were asking if it was Elijah?
Even Jesus said it was....right?
Like some Prophets have the spirits gifts of God, the spirit of Christ, John the Baptist had the spirit of Elijah of the OT. It does not mean John the Baptist was of the OT...like Christ was of the OT....the understanding of God's gift with his manipulation of the spirits is key. Many believers do not understand this work of God.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[101G]

I'm good now...forget it, I do get a little snappy..and I'm not happy I reacted that way to you..

Is does not nullify my OP title in any way. You have to understand what the spiritual gifts of God are all about. I think you have yourself in knots here.

I'm not going to entertain my explanation right now, full.

I will though give you another example of God's gifts of spirits.....take John the Baptist, remember when others were asking if it was Elijah?
Even Jesus said it was....right?
Like some Prophets have the spirits gifts of God, the spirit of Christ, John the Baptist had the spirit of Elijah of the OT. It does not mean John the Baptist was of the OT...like Christ was of the OT....the understanding of God's gift with his manipulation of the spirits is key. Many believers do not understand this work of God.

Bless you,

APAK

NO, you have yourself in a bind, the spirit of Elijah is way one acts, or have the character or the characteristics of the Person. let's see this CARNALLY. he acts just like his FATHER. now, does he have his Father spirit? or just act like him. like the Children of Satan, as with Cain, was he his son? see the term son means character, metaphorically speaking see Vines dictionary and look up
G5207, huios and see what it means......... (smile).

see that's why John the Baptist was Elijah, not the man, but his character.

PS I still didn't get an answer to the Revelation 1:1 question. if you did answer it give post #

thanks in advanse.

be back soon.

 

[APAK]

@101G ...
...hmm

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character..the way one acts..sound like a spirit...someone's personality to me...

happy trails

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[101G]

@101G ...
...hmm

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character..the way one acts..sound like a spirit...someone's personality to me...

happy trails
;)​

well, shouldn't you ACT like your Father?..... but you're not HIM are you....(smile).

Have you never heard the statement "that boy act just like his daddy".

Oh well, can't get water out of a dry well.

PCY.

 

[Naomi25]

Hi again Naomi..
Mr. Kingsley if a bit off....I do agree with him on one part, that God alone is (exists)...

The single ‘I AM’ or ‘I am he’ as I pointed out earlier is for anyone that wants to clearly identify themselves and with emphasis, that it is only me and no one else. It is not commonly used at the beginning of a sentence adjoining an adverb or verb. The expression is applicable to all beings including, angels, men, Jesus and our even our Lord God.

When it is used twice (a double I am) as in Exodus, it the expression that not only is it me and no one else, it is me and there is no one else like me you can choose or compare with. It is not God’s name, it is God’s unique character, he is one and only one that exists, and there is no else besides him (YHWH). Only God can use this double expression not as his name or title, it is who he is!

YHWH exists!... tell this to the people

(Exo 3:14) And Elohim said to Mosheh, “I am that which I am.”a And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Yisra’ěl, ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ” Footnote: aThe Heḇrew text reads: ’eheyeh ’asher ’eheyeh, the word ’eheyeh being derived from hayah which means to be, to exist, but the Aramaic text here in v. 14 reads: ayah ashar ayah. (Scriptures 2009)

Hi APAK, sorry it's taken me some time to get back to you, my sister is visiting and I don't have much time to be at a computer this week!

I regards to your first point, I'd have to say that we're not talking about how common the phrase is, and how often people use it to refer to, or identify themselves. We're assessing how the Jews would have seen a statement like that coming from Jesus, given what they knew of OT history. And we're also assessing why they reacted so strongly to that statement.

If you are correct and Jesus was doing nothing more that affirming that he, Jesus, was standing before them, then the Jews had no real reason to react as strongly as they did.

Yes they already were suspicious of him, but scripture tells us that they only sought to kill him because he made himself equal with God. When we put that together with their reaction to his statement, then we must question your understanding of his "I AM" statement. Clearly it cannot be the same that all men or angels use, or else men would have been tossing stones everywhere and at everyone!

I can say to Naomi, if you do not believe I am, who is writing to you then you might believe I’m using a ghost writer.

Jesus can say to Naomi, it is my Father and I that brought you salvation. If you don’t believe I AM you will die in your sins.

God can say to Naomi, it is your Lord God that you must love with all your heart, being and mind as I am because I am…there is no other existence.

See the diff….

Bless you,

APAK

No, sorry, I don't see the difference...but I could just be slow!

But...I would say that Jesus does not say "you must believe in I AM" or you will die in your sins. He says "I am the way, the truth and the life". Him. Jesus. No one comes to the Father but by him. Yes we ultimately give glory to the Father, but you cannot....must not, diminish what Jesus has just said. HE is THE way. He also says that "no one takes my life, but I lay it down, and I take it up."

We see the wonder and the mystery of the Trinity woven into scripture so completely that it's no wonder the doctrine was born. Jesus is master of his own fate, but he bows to the Father. The Spirit is what empowered Christ to do all his wonders on Earth, and now us, but all his works only bring glory to Christ and the The Father.

 

[Stranger]

GINOLJC, to all.
ERROR on your part. Revelation is symbolic. sitting is this, Hebrews 10:11 "And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

Hebrews 10:12 "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 10:13 "From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

sit down on the RIGHT HAND of God is not physically sitting. right Hand, as well as Right ARM, are anthropomorphism. The right hand is in POWER, in Authority, now glorified in the Spirit the Holy Spirit..

hence by him sitting he fulfills Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right" hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool". but id you read the 5th number in this Psalm you will se that it's the "Lord" and not the "LORD" who strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

and see how "Lord" is rendered in that number.

Now let me prove this to you without a doubt.

Are you not seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus now? let's check the record.

Ephesians 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus".

now stranger, are you seated in heavenly places "PHYSICALLY" now? no, you're physically here with us right now.

but you have authority in Christ Jesus to Raise the dead, heal the sick, open blind eyes, well at least we suppose to. see the difference now?.

Revelation is not symbolic. Where did you come up with that? Symbols may be used. But that doesn't mean all are symbols. And there is no reason to interpret 'sitting' as other than 'sitting'.

Is Jesus a real 'physical' Person? Can He sit? Can He stand? Sounds stupid I know, but that is where you are taking this.

Yes, when (Eph. 2:6) says I am sitting in heavenly places in Christ, then I am sitting in heavenly places in Christ. In other words, if I am a Christian, then I am in Christ. If I am in Christ then I am sitting in heavenly places. Being 'in Christ' is the key. And if you are not in Christ, then you are not in heavenly places. I am 'in Christ' now. Not later.

If you are not seated in the heavenly places in Christ, you do not have any authority to raise the dead, heal the sick, etc. etc.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

maybe you missed the point of my question: why did the Word of the Lord come to David and tell him he wouldn't build a house unto the name of the Lord?

1 Chronicles 22:7-10
[7] And David said to Solomon, My son, as for me, it was in my mind to build an house unto the name of the Lord my God: [8] But the word of the Lord came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight. [9] Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days. [10] He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.

Apparently I did miss your point. And, I don't understand your question when you give the very verses that answer your question.

So, I am missing something. Just what are you asking? I believe it is important, but I just don't see it.

Stranger

 

[Helen]

Helen: I just want you to know that the last two expressions you placed in bold were manipulated and not true English translations.

There you go...you totally spoiled my day for me!!
Just leave me as I am..I like it. ;)

I ask myself.." Self, does this change my relationship with God? And does it change my salvation? "
If the answer is no...then I just stick it up on the shelf with the other stuff.:)

 

[brakelite]

brakelite:
You are referring to Hebrews 1:3

(Heb 1:3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (ESV)

Where did you get the idea I ever thought this verse was about Jesus' birth. Not happening, never did, never will.

This verse is all about Jesus' glory from the cross and afterwards in heaven, having the power to rule on earth and in heaven. He uses the power given to him by his Father to maintain and continue the ages and times future, as the King of God's Kingdom until he returns it back to God.

The exact image of his Father here means he was BORN with the spirit of God, with his Father's exact spirit within his own spirit, within his heart. He was in his Father. We are in Christ!

Bless you,

APAK

A complete offering has been made; for "God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. It wasn't only that portion of Hebrews to which I was referring. It is the overall big picture that God has been pleased to reveal to us of the majesty and glory which belong to Christ because He is the Son of God. That majesty and glory , that which He had before the worlds were made --And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was--was His by divine inheritance. t is not a position He was exalted to, but a position He had always shared as a Son, equal to His Father. Before Christ came in the likeness of men, he existed in the express image of his Father. He thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Nevertheless he voluntarily emptied himself, and took the form of a servant. I cannot accept any reading of Micah 5:2 than the way it naturally reads.
But thou, Beth–lehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (Micah 5:2)
The world was made by him, "and without him was not anything made that was made." If Christ made all things, he existed before all things. The words spoken in regard to this are so decisive that no one need be left in doubt. Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. When Peter declared, twice, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God", this was before any NT had been written. This was not said in anticipation of His resurrection (Peter couldn't grasp the concept His Messiah was to die, let alone be raised), nor could he have been referring to Jesus' birth in Bethlehem. The big picture reveals a Son, begotten in ages past, in eternity, a full representation of His Father, an image of all His power and glory, Who voluntarily became a servant, even unto death, and having in His humanity overcome and walked the path where the first Adam failed, was resurrected to once again share the glory He had before the worlds came into existence.
When the scripture declares that God gave His only begotten Son, then I am moved to gratitude, and faith, to understand that God not only had a Son to give, but was in the Son and suffered every much as did the Son in their separation. Such was the sacrifice of the Father and the Son.

 

[Naomi25]

@Naomi25 ....

Finally got to it...Hello Naomi...glad to be back

3/3+ (part 2)..right into it...refer back to your last response

On the one hand we are speaking of God as ONE being and of one existence, and on the other we are talking of loving and having faith in Jesus, the Christ and son of the ONE God.

God, ours, also Jesus’ Father has not broken any rule regarding that we must (highly recommended…suggested) believe and love Jesus our Lord and savior. Jesus was/is his loving son and he was pleased with his son especially when he accepted his Baptism as part of the salvation plan for us, because of his deep love for his Father and us.

Now when you add ‘the worship of Jesus’ you have made an emotional and hasty leap that violates God’s 1st commandment. God the I AM that I AM now becomes null and void. This is the impasse again. I do not think in terms of 3 personalities as being the ONE God. I think as an ‘old’ Israelite, not under the law, under grace of BOTH our Lord God and Jesus Christ today.

They are also two distinct beings. The Father is always greater that the son, always.

I have to completely disagree with here. For most of this post, actually, but I suppose we'll get to that.
What does the bible teach about "Idolatry" if it is not loving something other than the Creator God? And I'm sorry, the bible calls us to love Jesus. How can we not? How can putting our faith in Jesus not be also tied into it? You cannot separate these things out, and I can't help thinking you are being incredibly naive if you believe you can just put it in separate columns: 'worship God'....'respect Jesus'. If that's truly what you get from reading scripture, then you see it, and it's message very, very differently than I do, and I doubt any verses I, or anyone else post, will have you reading or understanding it as we do.

I have to say Naomi that the picture of the Trinity being displayed in Christ’s Baptism scene is just wishful thinking to somehow envision that elusive trinity in actually in scripture. Let me explain:

When John and Jesus performed Baptism his Father in heaven approved of his son’s decision. His Father said he was pleased with him. Now how can God Almighty say he is pleased with himself is Jesus is all the same one person. Also, the spirit that descended on Jesus was the presence and power of his Father and not of himself. The spirit was of his Father, period. There is no 3-personality construct here in the Baptismal scene.

Again, you seem to be missing the idea behind the Trinity. You say "how can God Almighty say he is pleased with himself if Jesus is all the same one person."
No....not the same person. The same God. Different persons. Three separate persons...One God.
And you might claim it is just fanciful thinking that puts all 3 at that scene, but too often in the NT do we see the 3 acting as separate personalities. Why call the 'spirit of God' 'He'? Why does Jesus say "I will send you a helper", if it's the Fathers own spirit? Wouldn't Jesus have said, "My Father will send you his spirit?"
There are whole books written that go into detail about this, but for you to wave your hand and simply do away with the doctrine of the Trinity is not adequate. You will need to do a lot of explaining, answer a lot of questions and untangle a lot of seemingly irrational phrases (if the Trinity is not true).

Naomi, I also must differ with your meaning of John 14:9

Jesus says that those who see him, have also seen the Father.

Let me explain:

(Joh 14:7) If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
(Joh 14:8) Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”
(Joh 14:9) Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
(Joh 14:10) Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
(Joh 14:11) Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.
(Joh 14:12) “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. (ALL ESV)

Verses 10 and 11 really exposed verse 9 and its meaning. Jesus is in close communion and inseparable fellowship with his Father. He works closely in purpose with his Father and the Father with him. Their individual spirits work as one, toward the completion of the plan of salvation and the Kingdom. Although, the Father does all the works as Jesus yielded his will in obedience for his to do so. We, as believers also allow the spirit Christ within our spirits to work miracles within us to complete us, to complete the plan of perfection and realization of our salvation when we are raised up.

Note: the term ‘in’ Christ or even ‘out’ for that matter, was used as an indication you were in or out of the new Covenant.

One critical area you raised that the spirit of God came on the Jesus to anoint him. It is much more than to single him out as the one to become of special service to his Father. His Father’s spirit dwelt within him in ‘full.’ Most people do not grasp this critical point. His Father spoke and did all the works through Jesus. Of course, there were times that Jesus showed his own mind and will. This was obvious, especially when he prayed to his Father and when his Father incrementally over time, gave him authority to forgive sin, and other miracles until he gave Jesus all authority on earth and in heaven. All the while his Father’s spirit allowed all these to occur because of his presence in Jesus.

How can Jesus have "all authority on earth and in heaven"....plus all our love and faith...and you still believe that we do not worship him, or that the bible does not call us to?

And I'm sorry, but I see this passage in scripture as a wonderful affirmation of the Trinity and how they work together. You've all but described it yourself: "their individual spirits working as one". Yet...they are individual.

Now for the last section you presented: It is the best part…

John was a quite different writer and of a different mind that the others that wrote or spoke words that landed in scripture.

John was more spiritual, poetic and symbolic in his thoughts, words and writings. I do believe that in his preamble of Chapter one, he was conveying to his readers that God oversaw everything we know, can know, or will know and thus what we will know of him as well.

Yes, he brought the expression, ‘in the beginning’ from Genesis to get our minds focused on how God worked: by planning and doing everything. God planned and acted to reorder and recreate a fallen or dark physical world. Now John was making a parallel with this and fallen mankind. God from the beginning planned and performed not only for the physical earth, also for the restoration of fallen mankind to himself once again. It was genius.

What is more, John added another meaning or third meaning of the expression ‘in the beginning’ to his writings. This third meaning was the obvious and common meaning shared with the other reporters of the Gospel. When the gospel was first spoken.


So, John presented to the reader:

- In the beginning was when God planned and restored the physical world

- In the beginning was when God planned and restored mankind to himself through the work of his son on the cross

- In the beginning of reporting, was when God planned and spoke the good news of the gospel through his man, John the Baptist


Now the Greek word ‘logos” always means the plan, purpose or actions of God. It has never meant Jesus or any other person until the RCC translated scripture.


In the beginning God planned (via his logos) for the restoration of ‘fallen’ mankind. Jesus was not the actual logos he was the person or instrument used as part of the logos(plan), the human sacrifice for all of us. He was crucial to God’s plan(Logos) of salvation.

Bless you,


APAK

Wait...you can't have it both ways. Either, like you claim, when John 8:58 uses the phrase "I AM"...he was using normal, ordinary phrasing like everyday people do...and therefore we also must read the beginning of John like it actually reads....In the (real) beginning was the word, who was (actually) Jesus. John says it quite plainly. Or we see the opposite.
If you want us to believe that John is being poetic, symbolic and spiritual at the start of his book and not take his plain words...well...plainly....then your argument for John 8:58 falls apart because Jesus simply cannot be saying "I AM" in an ordinary, everyday, plain way.

You are shifting your hermeneuntics and exegesis to fit your desired view.

 

[APAK]

@brakelite ..I've already went over the glorification of Jesus as part of the plan of God for Jesus before the creation. It does not mean that Jesus was there at the beginning at all. I also went over Micah 5:2...the key is to understand that a few words were poorly translated...they should have clearly indicated that Jesus' birth date was planned and to rule until the end of the ages...I am not fibbing on this...why should I. There is no scripture I know of and I've been over it on and off for over 30 years placing Jesus before his actual birth. There is no verse that Christ made all things as in the creation of the universe and the earth.....He did and he continues to create and manage the affairs of men and things in the earth and heaven for his purpose since he ascended to heaven.

Why are you interested in me knowing that Peter knew who was Jesus? I know the answer. It was the spirit of God that told him. Like new believers would be filled with the spirit of Christ via God's spirit, Peter shared this same experience. Jesus was using this as an example of how his congregation would be built with the spirit indwelt in people. I never ever suggested it had something to do with the anticipation of the resurrection or the birth of Christ. It does make any sense to me.

There is a definite impasse and I don't believe it is a problem for me.

I hope you can understand

Bless you brother...I have had many great experiences at your denominational church as there is a great joy in the people there and in the anticipation of Jesus Christ and prophecy in general.

APAK

 

[101G]

Revelation is not symbolic. Where did you come up with that? Symbols may be used. But that doesn't mean all are symbols. And there is no reason to interpret 'sitting' as other than 'sitting'.

Is Jesus a real 'physical' Person? Can He sit? Can He stand? Sounds stupid I know, but that is where you are taking this.

Yes, when (Eph. 2:6) says I am sitting in heavenly places in Christ, then I am sitting in heavenly places in Christ. In other words, if I am a Christian, then I am in Christ. If I am in Christ then I am sitting in heavenly places. Being 'in Christ' is the key. And if you are not in Christ, then you are not in heavenly places. I am 'in Christ' now. Not later.

If you are not seated in the heavenly places in Christ, you do not have any authority to raise the dead, heal the sick, etc. etc.

Stranger

see, you don't know what sitting in Christ Jesus means, do you?.

PCY>

 

[Naomi25]

Jesus did not exist before his literal birth. He was the last Adam as scripture says. If this has meaning in the truest sense then he was not pre-existent, as the first Adam also had an initial creation date.

Bless you,

APAK

I know this was a reply to brakelite, but I felt I needed to say something about it.

Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” - Rev 1:7-8

Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, 15 his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. - Rev 1:12-18

We see here in Revelation that Jesus makes the claim that he is the first and the last. You may question whether it is Jesus speaking in verse 8 along with God the Father, but he repeats it in verse 17. And again Jesus repeats it in Rev 22:12-13:

"Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

So I do not think you can biblically prove that Jesus "did not exist before his birth. He's just said that he did.
In fact in Revelation 22 we see that the Throne of God is actually the Throne of the Lamb as well:

Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever. - Rev 22:1-5

Then half way through the paragraph it starts talking about them as one!
These two points alone should have you rethinking whether or not the bible calls us to worship Jesus!

 

[Stranger]

see, you don't know what sitting in Christ Jesus means, do you?.

PCY>

Does Jesus Christ have a physical body now in Heaven? That is not an anthropomorphism? Is He seated at the right hand of God?

Stranger

 

[101G]

GINILJC, to all.

I've already went over the glorification of Jesus as part of the plan of God for Jesus before the creation. It does not mean that Jesus was there at the beginning at all. I also went over Micah 5:2...the key is to understand that a few words were poorly translated...they should have clearly indicated that Jesus' birth date was planned and to rule until the end of the ages...I am not fibbing on this...

this is always the excuse now, "it's poorly translated".

I asked this, in Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth".

here God is translated as
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

if one notice definition #3 it says, specifically, in the plural, especially with the article

it's definitely the Article. and as the definition said, "in the plural". Plural means more than one. ok if God is more than one, question who was "with" with him "before" creation.

let the record speaK. John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was".

with thee before the world was?" SO THE LORD JESUS WAS "WITH" GOD BEFORE THE BEGINNING.

this is a modern translation of the term God, and back up by scripture.

so that "it's a poor translation", won't work. not on me. that's only is a deception, a deceiver.

anyone who says Jesus was not before the beginning is as the apostle said by the Holy Ghost 1 Corinthians 16:22 "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha".

and it's no love when one says, "JESUS was not at the beginning".

so let them be Anathema Maranatha

 

[101G]

Does Jesus Christ have a physical body now in Heaven? That is not an anthropomorphism? Is He seated at the right hand of God?

Stranger

let's answer your question one at a time.

#1. "Does Jesus Christ have a physical body now in Heaven?"
answer NO. and it's not ethereal either, but in likeness only, supportive scripture,

1 Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?............... Let's see.

1 Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1 Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
(STOP, read that again), the body that came out of Mary is NOT the BODY to BE.

1 Corinthians 15:38 "But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1 Corinthians 15:39 "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

1 Corinthians 15:40 "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
(STOP, the glory, scripture, John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". other words what he had before the world, "SPIRIT". he said "glorify me with thine{OWNSELF} and the Father OWNSELF is Spirit. Got your answer.

1 Corinthians 15:41 "There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

1 Corinthians 15:42 "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption".

our Lord has an incorruptible body, did that come out of Mary? the answer is NO. only in LIKENESS, not in NATURE.

#2. "That is not an anthropomorphism?". CORRECT, it's resurrection action.

#3. "Is He seated at the right hand of God?", yes, and that's anthropomorphism. seated at right hand is in POWER. ALL POWER is given unto me. see that's how I know he is the ONLY one symbolic speaking setting on the throne. for the one seated on the throne is GIVEN POWER, because he HAD IT BEFORE, and LAID IT ASIDE, or as the Greek say, he G2758 κενόω kenoo himself while in the flesh.

PCY

 

[Stranger]

let's answer your question one at a time.

#1. "Does Jesus Christ have a physical body now in Heaven?"
answer NO. and it's not ethereal either, but in likeness only, supportive scripture,

1 Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?............... Let's see.

1 Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1 Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
(STOP, read that again), the body that came out of Mary is NOT the BODY to BE.

1 Corinthians 15:38 "But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1 Corinthians 15:39 "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

1 Corinthians 15:40 "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
(STOP, the glory, scripture, John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". other words what he had before the world, "SPIRIT". he said "glorify me with thine{OWNSELF} and the Father OWNSELF is Spirit. Got your answer.

1 Corinthians 15:41 "There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

1 Corinthians 15:42 "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption".

our Lord has an incorruptible body, did that come out of Mary? the answer is NO. only in LIKENESS, not in NATURE.

#2. "That is not an anthropomorphism?". CORRECT, it's resurrection action.

#3. "Is He seated at the right hand of God?", yes, and that's anthropomorphism. seated at right hand is in POWER. ALL POWER is given unto me. see that's how I know he is the ONLY one symbolic speaking setting on the throne. for the one seated on the throne is GIVEN POWER, because he HAD IT BEFORE, and LAID IT ASIDE, or as the Greek say, he G2758 κενόω kenoo himself while in the flesh.

PCY

The body of Jesus Christ, the one that was born by Mary, saw no corruption. (Acts 13:36-38) (John 20:27)

Concerning Jesus, that which was resurrected was the incorruptible body that died.

Jesus Christ sits literally at the right hand of God in the Heavenlies. He is a real Man. Of a certain height and stature. The God/Man.

Stranger

 

[101G]

The body of Jesus Christ, the one that was born by Mary, saw no corruption. (Acts 13:36-38) (John 20:27)

Concerning Jesus, that which was resurrected was the incorruptible body that died.

Jesus Christ sits literally at the right hand of God in the Heavenlies. He is a real Man. Of a certain height and stature. The God/Man.

Stranger

Look stranger, the reason why it (Jesus natural body), saw no corruption because it was decaying like any other body, but the reason why it didn't see any corruption is that it was resurrected. THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T SEE CORRUPTION.

and for the actual sitting at the right hand, I'll let you stay in fairyland on that one. can't make a grown person change their mind, that's the Lord Jesus Job, I can only tell you the truth.

and lastly, he's the NEW MAN.

PCY.

 

[Stranger]

Look stranger, the reason why it (Jesus natural body), saw no corruption because it was decaying like any other body, but the reason why it didn't see any corruption is that it was resurrected. THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T SEE CORRUPTION.

and for the actual sitting at the right hand, I'll let you stay in fairyland on that one. can't make a grown person change their mind, that's the Lord Jesus Job, I can only tell you the truth.

and lastly, he's the NEW MAN.

PCY.

I'm not denying the resurrection. The resurrected body of Christ was the same body that died. Again, (John 20:27)

Stranger

 

[APAK]

GINILJC, to all.



this is always the excuse now, "it's poorly translated".

I asked this, in Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth".

here God is translated as
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

if one notice definition #3 it says, specifically, in the plural, especially with the article

it's definitely the Article. and as the definition said, "in the plural". Plural means more than one. ok if God is more than one, question who was "with" with him "before" creation.

let the record speaK. John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was".

with thee before the world was?" SO THE LORD JESUS WAS "WITH" GOD BEFORE THE BEGINNING.

this is a modern translation of the term God, and back up by scripture.

so that "it's a poor translation", won't work. not on me. that's only is a deception, a deceiver.

anyone who says Jesus was not before the beginning is as the apostle said by the Holy Ghost 1 Corinthians 16:22 "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha".

and it's no love when one says, "JESUS was not at the beginning".

so let them be Anathema Maranatha

To you have thing about twisting my writings...this time you actually applied an explanation of a verse I gave to another verse I supplied...Do you have some problems reading? Or do you actually TAKE THE TIME TO READ?

Look what you did....these are your words which I bolded...

"let the record speaK. John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was".

with thee before the world was?" SO THE LORD JESUS WAS "WITH" GOD BEFORE THE BEGINNING.

this is a modern translation of the term God, and back up by scripture.

so that "it's a poor translation", won't work. not on me. that's only is a deception, a deceiver. "

John 17:5 does not have a poor translation or wording problem...it was the Micah verse I was addressing to @brakelite ....

John 17:5 is CLEAR that on God's plan for mankind's salvation, included Jesus' glorification = planned before Christ was born. Jesus knew of this and prayed it would come very quickly...he was anxious...

I need an apology from you as you have done this trickery to me more than once....

APAK