Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[bbyrd009]

I dont profess to keep any laws,

ah; the name for these is "scofflaws," and the place for them is prison, i guess. The simplest Bsearch reveals Law as "Holy."

i profess to do as Jesus said

 

[bbyrd009]

I Agree, But it is true,they pre-tear their paper before the Sabbath, there are many that have everything in their home on Computerized systems to turn on lights, coffee pots, and even during the Sabbath they have elevators that run continuously, stopping at every floor,

yikes!

 

[Truth]

wow, I thought you were just making a snide remark, don't forget to do your paper work on Friday hah? that's crazy but there's the same in some old school Christian circles vowels of silence in monasteries and the like. there are always those who take things to the extreme making themselves more righteous then others in their own minds by their own actions. when its the Riotousness of the Lord Jesus that makes one righteous just as its the Presence of God that makes Holy.

Exactly! We will never obtain any Righteousness, Especially in these corruptible fleshly bodies, If and when we obtain Righteousness, It Will be His Righteousness Endowed Upon Us! Loved your first response, thank's for the Laugh!

 

[mjrhealth]

Are you not part of the New Covenant or does the NC operate differently for Jews and Gentiles?

The new covenant was made with the Israelites, Why. because they had an old one. uis gentiles never had a covenenat with God, this bit

Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

we never came to Christ by teh law, we came to Christ under grace, you are mixing the two together, eve if we are grafted into teh tree, teh "old" is not ours never is never was never will be.
Mar 2:21 No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.
Mar 2:22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.

and that is exactly what you are doing and why are lawyers sound excatly teh same and have teh same arguments and why you sound just like a SDA.

 

[mjrhealth]

why dwell on those who boast?

Rom_2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

which do you want to be???

 

[mjrhealth]

mjr has rejected himself as "Israel" though, not realizing the consequences i guess

hmm putting words into ones mouth a new one for you, you have done exactly what you are accusing me of.

ah, i forgot that you have divided the gospel to suit yourself, my bad

have a lovely day

 

[mjrhealth]

ah; the name for these is "scofflaws," and the place for them is prison, i guess. The simplest Bsearch reveals Law as "Holy."

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oh now you sound like our mate,

Luk_11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
Luk_11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

keep it up bb its all fun isnt it.

 

[gadar perets]

The new covenant was made with the Israelites, Why. because they had an old one. uis gentiles never had a covenenat with God, this bit

There are no Jews or Gentiles in Messiah. We are to be one Israel. So Yeshua's blood of the New Covenant was not shed for you? Do you not partake of his body and blood (the blood of the New Covenant)?

Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

I'm not sure why you brought this up, but the interpretation Peter was given is far different than the spin Christians put on it.

we never came to Christ by teh law, we came to Christ under grace, you are mixing the two together, eve if we are grafted into teh tree, teh "old" is not ours never is never was never will be.
Mar 2:21 No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.
Mar 2:22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.

and that is exactly what you are doing and why are lawyers sound excatly teh same and have teh same arguments and why you sound just like a SDA.

You love to use "guilt by association". You keep referring to me as SDA like as you attempt to discredit me as Christians have done to SDAs.

I came to Messiah by grace. A fruit of my salvation is obedience to the Almighty's commandments.

 

[Truth]

There are no Jews or Gentiles in Messiah. We are to be one Israel. So Yeshua's blood of the New Covenant was not shed for you? Do you not partake of his body and blood (the blood of the New Covenant)?


I'm not sure why you brought this up, but the interpretation Peter was given is far different than the spin Christians put on it.


You love to use "guilt by association". You keep referring to me as SDA like as you attempt to discredit me as Christians have done to SDAs.

I came to Messiah by grace. A fruit of my salvation is obedience to the Almighty's commandments.

There are no Jews or Gentiles in Messiah. We are to be one Israel. So Yeshua's blood of the New Covenant was not shed for you? Do you not partake of his body and blood (the blood of the New Co.


Please forgive My Interruption, May I ask, Do you keep the Feast's as well, for tonight is the Passover, and the first High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread. According to God's Calendar, which I have been following for 19 years now. I know that these were Pilgrimage Feast's, for in the Land! But as a believer I want to keep what God said! You shall keep these Feast's throughout your Generation's forever!

We are to be Grafted into the Root and Fatness of the Olive Tree, there is neither Jew or Greek, Just Believer's that have excepted Salvation, that Love Him enough to keep His Commandment's and become partakers in the Commonwealth of Israel, we do not live under the Law We live Above it! Love Him Enough to Obey Him and He will Write them on Your Heart !

 

[mjrhealth]

I came to Messiah by grace. A fruit of my salvation is obedience to the Almighty's commandments.

If by grace why do you persue the law

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

or I hope @bbyrd009 might get it, the hone wife bit,

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

to whom are you married how many "husbands" do you need, is not one enough.

 

[brakelite]

we never came to Christ by teh law,

It might interest you to understand that no-one, Jew or non Jew, came to God through the law. "The just shall live by faith" is an old concept common to both testaments. The existence of the law is also common to both testaments, for without the law there is no knowledge of sin; if there is no knowledge of sin, there is no need of a Saviour.

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

It is true that we are dead to the law through the body of Christ...but what part is dead? Is it not the old man that was crucified with HIm? The new man that was raised with Him surely is not dead to the law, but alive to righteousness, which the law demands? Does not our marriage to the new man also demand faithfulness and submission to His laws? The law did not die on the cross...Jesus died on the cross. And God includes me in that death, thus my debt was paid by the mercy and grace of God.
My new born again self is now married, not to sin, nor to the carnal nature to which I was bound, but to righteousness. Sin no longer has dominion over me. Through the power of God and connection...marriage if you will, to Christ, the new man may overcome sin. Resist temptation.
What the Christian must do to justify his removing the 4th commandment from among the ten, is to prove from the Bible that God has done this, for clearly the church has not that authority, not even the apostles. To remove the entire law from the Christian walk faith and practice is an impossibility...what the Christian must do to justify his rejection of the Sabbath is to prove the removal of just that one commandment. Thus far that has been a very elusive task. To call it simply 'Jewish' denies history and language. To call it ceremonial denies creation. To call it 'works based salvation' is to deny faith in others...it assumes the power to judge man's thoughts and motives. To call it a shadow is a denial of marriage...for both institutions were established before sin, thus both are holy and neither are shadows or requirements as an answer to the sin problem. To call it a burden is to deny Christ Who said His burdens are light...and a denial of John who said the commandments are not grievous.
In fact, the only burden when it comes to any consideration of Sabbath keeping is that burden which Christians lay upon themselves in their vain attempts to justify forgetting what God has asked them to remember.

 

[mjrhealth]

what the Christian must do to justify his rejection of the Sabbath is to prove the removal of just that one commandment. Thus far that has been a very elusive task

Se how we corrupt, not keeping the sabbath does not mean one has rejected it, the sabbath was Gods day of rest from His own works, just as Christians in Christ are at rest from there own works,

Act_15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

We are supposed to walk in Love, love has no need for Laws it is above all the greatest of teh commandments

if we abide in these and in Christ than teh rest is of no consequence because Love is why we where created, it because of Love that we have salvation, it is because of Love, that Christ gave up His life for us, it is because of Love that God offered His son in place of us as payment for our sins, it is because of Love we have teh breath of life and are marked with His spirit so we can call Him Abba Father, it is because of love that we live, because God is love, without love the rest is just mens pride.

Look at me God I am not like all the other sinners, theer is not one man on this earth who keeps teh law and there is not one man upon this earth without sin, no matter how they boast otherwise.

Hows it go, " I want to be seen to be keeping the law" but I want to be judged by grace".

Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[Dcopymope]

It might interest you to understand that no-one, Jew or non Jew, came to God through the law. "The just shall live by faith" is an old concept common to both testaments. The existence of the law is also common to both testaments, for without the law there is no knowledge of sin; if there is no knowledge of sin, there is no need of a Saviour.

It is true that we are dead to the law through the body of Christ...but what part is dead? Is it not the old man that was crucified with HIm? The new man that was raised with Him surely is not dead to the law, but alive to righteousness, which the law demands? Does not our marriage to the new man also demand faithfulness and submission to His laws? The law did not die on the cross...Jesus died on the cross. And God includes me in that death, thus my debt was paid by the mercy and grace of God.
My new born again self is now married, not to sin, nor to the carnal nature to which I was bound, but to righteousness. Sin no longer has dominion over me. Through the power of God and connection...marriage if you will, to Christ, the new man may overcome sin. Resist temptation.
What the Christian must do to justify his removing the 4th commandment from among the ten, is to prove from the Bible that God has done this, for clearly the church has not that authority, not even the apostles. To remove the entire law from the Christian walk faith and practice is an impossibility...what the Christian must do to justify his rejection of the Sabbath is to prove the removal of just that one commandment. Thus far that has been a very elusive task. To call it simply 'Jewish' denies history and language. To call it ceremonial denies creation. To call it 'works based salvation' is to deny faith in others...it assumes the power to judge man's thoughts and motives. To call it a shadow is a denial of marriage...for both institutions were established before sin, thus both are holy and neither are shadows or requirements as an answer to the sin problem. To call it a burden is to deny Christ Who said His burdens are light...and a denial of John who said the commandments are not grievous.
In fact, the only burden when it comes to any consideration of Sabbath keeping is that burden which Christians lay upon themselves in their vain attempts to justify forgetting what God has asked them to remember.

(Matthew 5:17-18) "¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. {18} For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

(Hebrews 4:1-10) "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. {2} For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. {3} For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. {4} For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. {5} And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. {6} Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: {7} Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. {8} For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. {9} There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. {10} For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

Did Jesus Christ become the sabbath for believers from all our work or not??

 

[mjrhealth]

for without the law there is no knowledge of sin;

I guess you missed this bit

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

and He has done just that, which is why so many "christians" persue after the law, because they do not believe in what Christ has done, so try to perfect themselves by there works, because teh law is all about teh flesh.

 

[brakelite]

We are supposed to walk in Love, love has no need for Laws it is above all the greatest of teh commandments

I would put it his way...the law reveals to us what love is....do we void the law through faith, nay, we establish the law. If we truly fully love God, those laws which pertain to God will be fulfilled. If we truly love our fellow man, those laws pertaining to our fellow man will be fulfilled. If any one of those laws is broken...if we should sin for example by stealing our neighbour's spanner which he dropped in the driveway and we picked it up and kept it, knowing it to be our neighbour's, then we are not loving our neighbour as ourselves. If we have something in our life that we hold more dear to us than Christ; we have an idol be it family, work, or our favourite sport, then we are not loving God with all our heart and soul and mind. The law informs us that our love is not what it should be. It reveals our sin...our lack of love. For some Christians to claim they cannot sin is to boast that their love is perfect. While that is possible through the grace and power of God, to boast of it is to reveal pride and arrogance...such as will not enter God's kingdom.
Now to the Sabbath commandment. Why would not love compel one to submit to the authority of the One he loves? If only because God says so, would that not be sufficient to bring a desire to please and obey from one who loves? You see, love doesn't do away with the law, they are complimentary.

 

[brakelite]

I guess you missed this bit

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

and He has done just that, which is why so many "christians" persue after the law, because they do not believe in what Christ has done, so try to perfect themselves by there works, because teh law is all about teh flesh.

Are you suggesting that the Spirit that convicts us of sin would contradict the law as to what sin is? Would the Spirit that inspired John to write, "sin is the transgression of the law", say to others something different? I would suggest that if a spirit came and aught that he law is no longer binding upon men and thus no longer the standard in the judgement, that spirit is lying.

 

[mjrhealth]

Are you suggesting that the Spirit that convicts us of sin would contradict the law as to what sin is? Would the Spirit that inspired John to write, "sin is the transgression of the law", say to others something different? I would suggest that if a spirit came and aught that he law is no longer binding upon men and thus no longer the standard in the judgement, that spirit is lying.

I was never under teh law before I became a Christian and Christ has never "demanded " the law of anyone. One who wakks in love has no "concerns" for teh law, for what has love to do with teh law. Hows it go

1Co_8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
1Co_13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co_13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co_13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co_13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co_13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co_13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
1Co_14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Co_16:14 Let all your things be done with charity.
Col_3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

And this is where we walk in Christ, what man who walks in Love could murder his brother.

What is sin?, sin is what ever you make of it, too some smoking is a sin, to others it is not, to murder one brother is sin, because it is not love, to steal is sin because it is not of love, that bit, do unto others as you would have them do unto you... you can make anything a sin if you wish.

Every thing changed at pentecost but so many still try live in teh past.

Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

and that is where most christians remain.

 

[brakelite]

Did Jesus Christ become the sabbath for believers from all our work or not??

There is a profound rest in Christ, yes. Absolutely. And I am one grateful and thankful Christian to have found that rest. That rest empowers me to trust Him to accomplish in me all that is needful to see me to glory. Does that rest however absolve me from obedience?

 

[mjrhealth]

There is a profound rest in Christ, yes. Absolutely. And I am one grateful and thankful Christian to have found that rest. That rest empowers me to trust Him to accomplish in me all that is needful to see me to glory. Does that rest however absolve me from obedience?

Do as HE says and you will be fine.

 

[brakelite]

I was never under teh law before I became a Christian

Yes you were...we all were. To be "under the law" in context means to be under its condemnation. Have a look at the text which speaks of being "under the law". Who was it that were under the law? Were they not those who required redemption? Were they not sinners? You are not under the condemnation of the law any more because Christ has made you whole. He has freed you from sin. Therefore where there is no sin, there is no law to condemn. But should you enter the local liquor store and rob it, would you not once again be "under the law"?