Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[mjrhealth]

This doesn't say that Judas was a devil when he was chosen.

Luke 22:3 tells us WHEN Satan entered into Judas - and it was LATER.

What and you think JEsus didnt know.... Jesus knew full well what Judas was going to do, yet He still picked him, God knew long even before that, Judas never had the truth in Him he was already given over, satan just did as he was allowed .

 

[Taken]

made an assumption, from pride, that will kill you if you do not change your mind, imo
much better to maintain a hope of salvation, i think

Seems you may be unfamiliar with the difference between Trust and Pride.

My Lord is Faithful. I don't hope for what He has given me. I hope His Will be Done.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

ha, but you are the Body of Christ, right. Who then should be doing the manifesting

Seems you are unknowing that the
Body IS one thing " OF " Christ.
And
Spirit IS one thing " OF " Christ.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

not sure why you say "no" here, if you are now agreeing with me?

Christ Jesus' Word does not require moving Air.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

one might think so, yes, but speaking in tongues tells me differnt wadr.
finding another human who speaks the same "language" as me is rare enough that we even have a euphemism for it, "sympatico."

you and i share the same terms, syntax even, but we can be observed to also barely be speaking the same language in another sense

Which was my point.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

words are also a great way to confuse, iow

state any "absolute truth" from Scripture, and i can state an opposing absolute truth, generally from the same Book. This was not done accidentally, but to show the nature of truth, which cannot be determined by us absolutely, regardless of what a determinist--you, in this case, right up there, see--will assure you is "truth."

Scripture IS TRUTH.
When one learns to DIVIDE the Word of Truth, they Learn One Truth APPLIES to THEM, while another Truth DOES NOT Apply to THEM.

While One Truth does Apply, IT DOES NOT MAKE another Truth, inapplicable to another.

not denying that you are also correct in one sense too though, ok; but a point is that if you make "words are handy for expression, relaying our thoughts to another" into a law, you will be disappointed when your law turns out to be untrue

I know what Applies to me and understand why.

I also know what Does NOT Apply to me and understand why.

Jesus stressed Two things ~
To Believe And To Understand.

Anyone can Hear or Read the Written Word.
Few have the Understanding, which is a personal Gift of God.

you will be disappointed...

I Trust the Lord over you. Thus your words have zero application to me.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I know this is between you and bbyrd009 , but I just have to pick up on this comment. ( I knew it was too good to be true that we would agree on everything. ;) )

If the Day of any Judgement has not come...( if you are a conformist, and don't believe that God poured out all judgement onto Jesus at the cross)....then how can deceased souls be kept in 'heaven'.
This sound confusing to me...it implies that man has already been judged, so no more need of a Day Of Judgement...it also implies that atheists, satanists and everyone else who is dead....is there "in heaven".

Looking forward to your response. :)

I look at it like this:

Cause and Effect.

We can find groups; ie Hebrews, Tribes, Jews, Nations, etc. Which encompasses a "presumed", everyone within the group in complete agreement;

But then we see the reality of the Effect;
It fails. Not "everyone" within the "group", are truly in complete agreement.

Forward we begin seeing, particular individuals "so attached" to a particular "group", staying constant in an agreement.

This particularly applies to Certain men, OF Abraham's STOCK line of descendants...to the Jew, Mary. Meaning while some of Abraham's STOCK descendants "deflected away", there is a preserved LINE, who obtained "sanctification", to reveal Jesus.
Point being, Everything revealed about Jesus, is Holy, (even his earthly "genealogy" line).

The Effect, of that for us, is that a man WHO becomes IN Christ, does exactly what Jesus did, which was to TAKE ON themselves, the "sanctified" line of Abraham, as a faithful, righteous, friend and Servant of the Lord.

Heb 2:16
Heb 6:13
Heb 7:1

Jas 2:23

Gal 3: 6, 7, 8, 9, 14, 16, 17, 18, 29

Cause and Effect;

Every thing we AS INDIVIDUALS, choose to do or not to do...
IS the Cause, that Will Effect us, INDIVIDUALLY.

Judgement of the Lord Has it's own day.

In the meantime Causes that Happen, have their individual Effect.

It is called; Consequences, not Judgements.

Some Consequences are favorable.
Some Consequences are not favorable.

Judgements are followed by a Sentence.

No one has been Sentenced to Heaven or Sentenced to eternal Life on Earth or Sentenced to eternal hell fire.....

It is simply WE are already informed of what to expect FOR our own individual choices.

The heavenly host was created Holy, and had the choice to REMAIN Holy or not.

The earthly host was created Very Good, and have the option to BECOME Good on Earth while remaining on this Earth, and internally Holy Forever or not.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

I know

I also know

ah, you're way ahead of me then lol, been years since i knew that much

 

[Taken]

ah, you're way ahead of me then lol, been years since i knew that much

We are all different in what we choose.
I decided a long time ago, a couple of hours a week (out of 168 hours a week), with a man Telling me what to believe, was not acceptable for me. Rather being I chose to spend many hours daily with the Source of Gods Word, Knowledge, Wisdom and Understanding.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

As usual, the Nile comes into play when you have nothing to say.

And as usual you refuse to answer my question. (1 Samuel 28:7-25) Who raised Samuel? God or the witch of En-dor?

In other words, as I have already said, even if Judas cast out demons it was only because Jesus gave the 12 the authority to do so. Either way, Judas was not a picture of one who was saved and then lost his salvation. Judas was a devil when Jesus chose him.

Stranger

Tell me this Stranger...
In Mathew 10 Jesus sends out the twelve.
Why would He send out a devil to preach the gospel?
Just logically this makes no sense...Jesus would have held him back from this mission.
Jesus did not know everything as a man. He did, however, become aware of judas' role in salvation economy,h and THEN knew he was a devil.

 

[Taken]

What and you think JEsus didnt know.... Jesus knew full well what Judas was going to do, yet He still picked him, God knew long even before that, Judas never had the truth in Him he was already given over, satan just did as he was allowed .

PRECISELY!

And precisely WHY predestination is revealed.
Jesus KNEW Judas' heart, BEFORE Judas knew.
The Lord knows us IN THE WOMB, long BEFORE we know what we shall do, pick and choose.

All things Were created and made in the beginning...including, what is prepared for each of us in our own "ending".

Every man ever born is already KNOWN they shall take turns occupying the Earth. (Living and dying).

However a day will come when the Seas of the Earth will be no more, and Earth, shall be all Earth (dry land), and Filled with those from the beginning until the Day of Judgement, with ONLY those Few, WHO Chose to be Subjected TO, and Kept in, forever Belief in the Word of God.

All pre-Known To God and prepared By God to be manifested.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

We are all different in what we choose.
I decided a long time ago, a couple of hours a week (out of 168 hours a week), with a man Telling me what to believe, was not acceptable for me. Rather being I chose to spend many hours daily with the Source of Gods Word, Knowledge, Wisdom and Understanding.

God Bless,
Taken

Why with a man telling you what to believe??
I've heard many pastors or preachers, I don't agree with all of them.
It's good to have some trusted theologian help us along.
It keeps us on the straight and narrow. Literally.

 

[bbyrd009]

or at least to reflect upon whatever Scripture currently causes one to be evasive, etc
i mean we all got em lol

 

[Taken]

Tell me this Stranger...
In Mathew 10 Jesus sends out the twelve.
Why would He send out a devil to preach the gospel?

Just logically this makes no sense...Jesus would have held him back from this mission.
Jesus did not know everything as a man. He did, however, become aware of judas' role in salvation economy,h and THEN knew he was a devil.

Scripture is not about trying to determine it Logically in our Minds.
Scripture is about Trusting it is True, regardless of what our Mind deduces.

There IS Belief, which is one thing, that any man can OF HIS OWN ACCORD, have.

Then there IS, SUBJECTED BELIEF, which is another thing, that any man CAN DO, or CAN NOT DO.

Judas had BELIEF, of his own accord.

Just the same as all the other Disciples.

All of the Believing Disciples were sent out 2 by 2 to cast out unclean spirits that were debilitating the Body's of other men.

Judas STOPPED Believing Jesus.
He succumbed to taking on Beliefs Against Jesus.
He Fell from Faith, WiTHOUT ever subjecting himself to the Lord, that WOULD HAVE KEPT HIM IN FAITH!

The other Disciples CONTINUED Believing Jesus. They eventually, SUBJECTED themselves TO the Lord; which...
IS followed by them having received; the internal POWER of the Holy Sprit, that Forever KEEPS a man IN BELIEF.
They became fully and forever faith-FULL...
Which IS a Gift of God "FOR" a man's Subjection to the Lord.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Taken

ok, not sure how fam you are with this software? but we got bold, italics, and underline there in the upper left, you might find useful too

-Left

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus did not know everything as a man.

boy, guess there's no way He could have been a Christian then, huh lol

He did, however, become aware of judas' role in salvation economy, and THEN knew he was a devil.

this is not very satisfying either though, is it. more rungs on that ladder, prolly

 

[Taken]

Why with a man telling you what to believe??

It is called a Preacher.

I've heard many pastors or preachers, I don't agree with all of them.
It's good to have some trusted theologian help us along.

Precisely my point.
One maybe Two hours per week, one hears, and then must determine IF the the speaker is Trustworthy. You just admitted, you don't always agree. And How long does one invest of their time, to determine to Trust another?

I also did research on the difference between people who Own a Bible, and Acutally Read a Bible. The Reading part is a huge fail. I pretty much concluded, FEW actually VERIFY what they hear....(be it scripture or a headline or news or gossip, etc.)

It keeps us on the straight and narrow. Literally.

More so I think it keeps people "parroting" things they are not sure is true, and have very little understanding of the knowledge.

Personally, I prefer the Source. Just saying; I Trust...He knows the intent and understanding of His OWN Word, above any created thing.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

ok, not sure how fam you are with this software? but we got bold, italics, and underline there in the upper left, you might find useful too

-Left

I know there are tabs for changing to bold, etc.
It's not like using a computer with the tab, handy on the screen. When responding it requires scrolling up to the tabs, down to the word, back up to the tabs, back down to continue writing...
Mostly a busy WOT to me, when I have multiple things I am doing at the same time all day long.

But thanks anyway.
God Bless,

Taken

 

[Taken]

or at least to reflect upon whatever Scripture currently causes one to be evasive, etc
i mean we all got em lol

What you might think is evasive ~ most likely lands on understanding.

I can say what I believe.
I can say how I understand what I believe.

But I can not understand it for you.
Thus if it does not resonate with you.
Again, I can not understand it for you.

Understanding of the knowledge, is not something I can GIVE YOU.

Understanding of the knowledge, IS A GIFT from God.

Some have received the SAME GIFT from God, concerning particular knowledge revealed in the Word of God....and some haven't..

Ones WHO HAVE, are not giving the understanding TO EACH OTHER, they simply are acknowledging their Understanding is the same between them.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

Scripture is not about trying to determine it Logically in our Minds.
Scripture is about Trusting it is True, regardless of what our Mind deduces.

There IS Belief, which is one thing, that any man can OF HIS OWN ACCORD, have.

Then there IS, SUBJECTED BELIEF, which is another thing, that any man CAN DO, or CAN NOT DO.

Judas had BELIEF, of his own accord.

Just the same as all the other Disciples.

All of the Believing Disciples were sent out 2 by 2 to cast out unclean spirits that were debilitating the Body's of other men.

Judas STOPPED Believing Jesus.
He succumbed to taking on Beliefs Against Jesus.
He Fell from Faith, WiTHOUT ever subjecting himself to the Lord, that WOULD HAVE KEPT HIM IN FAITH!

The other Disciples CONTINUED Believing Jesus. They eventually, SUBJECTED themselves TO the Lord; which...
IS followed by them having received; the internal POWER of the Holy Sprit, that Forever KEEPS a man IN BELIEF.
They became fully and forever faith-FULL...
Which IS a Gift of God "FOR" a man's Subjection to the Lord.

God Bless,
Taken

I understand you Taken. But I don't agree.
I've never heard of this concept that you expound.
One either believes in Jesus or does not.
You make it seem like a gradual process (which it could be in some cases), but faith is faith. You either have it or you don't.

As far as being logical, yeah, sometimes reason must also be used when speaking about something that happened that many years ago.
Jesus would not send a devil to preach. This is logical and common sense reasoning.

Our faith is a faith of reason.