Scripture is not the last word.

[Windmill Charge]

And if you rad it you would see that they where talking about the OT not the NT. And not every word was inspired by God unless He is the devil.

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter was not inspired to say those words by God was he.. now go read all the stories about His resurrection and tell me which is the right one. Who did what and saw whom first.

One day when all men turn to Christ all this will go away. But that day has yet to come.
Oh and yes it tell you about Him so why dont you go to Him and learn from Him. He gave us His best the Holy Spirit why do you choose the second best.

No Peter was not inspired by God to say those words but Matthew was inspired to report accuratly what happened.

As I said if you know God the bible is alive, that you say it is dead is a comment by yourself on your own spiritual state.

 

[mjrhealth]

No Peter was not inspired by God to say those words but Matthew was inspired to report accuratly what happened.

As I said if you know God the bible is alive, that you say it is dead is a comment by yourself on your own spiritual state.

The bible is not alive, His words are alive, His words are spirit, thats why we are asked t go to Him in Spirit and truth. Now read the bible with your eyes open than you will see the errors. Who needs God when man can carry Him around in His pocket.

But you will not come to me so I can give you life.

2500 years later nothings changed.

 

[tabletalk]

"Scripture is not the last word."

If Scripture is the Word of God, then it is the first Word and the last Word.

 

[tabletalk]

If some commenter says 'not every word(of Scripture) was inspired by God', reject that person's god.
If they say Scripture is not the last word, reject that person's god.

 

[bbyrd009]

If some commenter says 'not every word(of Scripture) was inspired by God', reject that person's god.
If they say Scripture is not the last word, reject that person's god.

well to be fair, no one reads the Bible in the original i guess, and even the Bible will tell you that It is not Word anyway
so there are many counterfeits all along the way, our most trusted translation is via a homosexual king, etc; is that one "Scripture?"
many ppl believe It is

although i agree that any truth is reflected in Scripture, also
(In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God)
so is any untruth, right

so i'm in the weird position of agreeing with you here, but only bc i am making some assumptions as to your definitions, see
when you might accept the KJV as inspired, for all i know!

 

[ScottA]

I wasn't aware that fashion had anything todo with how we understand scripture?
The methods we use are timeless, just like the message in the bible.

Compare the above with what is below.

If this quote is true then the first quote is false.

I'll be blunt. God may give you a message, or you believe God has given you a message, but untill you have verrified that message by the final word ie the BIBLE that message is viewed with suspicion.

Look at Act 17: 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.

That is the biblical patten.

Apparently you are indeed under the wrong impression. We do not give up our foundation to build the rest of the house. That is not what I said. But rather, as Paul said, we leave the elementary principles as elementary and press on. Which does not contradict what he said about the Bereans. By your using your quote of Paul against my quote of Paul - you show yourself as lacking understanding.

So...I'll be blunt: If you want to go on sleeping and do not want to heed Christ in His final words to stay awake to avoid this temptation, and not hear the spirit of His comment to "Rise, let us be going", then you too will deny Him.

I say again, not one, not the other only, but first the flesh and what is written, then the Spirit.

 

[ScottA]

This was one of the reasons for the Protestant Reformation.

If we cannot trust God's Holy Writ to be our exclusive authority and guide on all matters, then we are defaulting to a false idea that God did not give us His Word in written form through His chosen by The Holy Spirit as they were guided:

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
KJV


Paul's adominition to Timothy:

2 Tim 3:15-17
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV

Did that say we need a pope in order to make us perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works? No. Paul said "All scripture is given by inspiration of God", meaning it came from our Heavenly Father Himself.

This was one of the reasons why God led king James of England to command Bible scholars of the day in England to create an English Bible translation for the people to read for themselves. God putting His Word in the hands of His people has prevented one of the greatest attempted thefts in the history of this world, i.e., those who want to prevent the people from reading God's Word for themselves, so His people know not to put up with tyrrants whom God did not chose nor call.

Yes, the scriptures are our God given foundation, and we do not discard them, but press on to perfection. The word of God is under His providence alone, and not that of men.

 

[Helen]

Yes, the scriptures are our God given foundation, and we do not discard them, but press on to perfection. The word of God is under His providence alone, and not that of men.

Amen, Yes indeed.
This subject usually becomes a 'hot potato' ..a debate, rather than a study.
I was looking forward to the study!!

It seems that some just charge in "defending", and never seem to grasp or understand what is being said...and quickly react and presume that what is being said is " throw out the bible" ..without even thinking things through or reading deeper into what is being said. .
As bbyrd009 said...the written word , with some, has become the fourth person added to the the Father , Son and Holy Spirit!!
As he said, I quote:- "In the beginning was the bible and the bible was with God and the bible was God..." Yet that point is not wanted, so tossed.
..and as mjrhealth said..., it is the WORDS within the bible when God anoints them to us personally, that become the living word.
We all agree that the bible is a wonderful book...they tried to kill it but can't, tried to ban it but can't. ( they are doing a better job at watering down and diluting what is written.. )
The safest place to keep it is in our hearts...
In time of need, the Holy Spirit brings it back to us and speaks to us through the bible words hidden in our heart.
Yet...the bible is not the only way God speaks..far from it..He managed it very well to Adam, Abraham, Moses, etc who had no written word.
To those who have ears to hear...He also whispers in our ear...and confirms it via the scripture.
Once when I needed a word of direction, God gave me a vision of me planting full grown carrots into the rich earth...but they rotted and died...
..a silly vision/picture. Not found in any "the bible"...but it spoke to me, and I knew what He was saying about what I had asked Him. And yes, I also asked Him for a scripture to confirm the now decision... :)

Thank you for this thread Scott. :)

Bless you...Helen.

 

[amadeus]

The reason even believers in the Bible often disagree is because they are NOT always being led by the Holy Spirit. They regularly quench the Holy Spirit in themselves and go along, at least in part, their own way.

The scriptures contain all of the truth that is needed by any man to serve God, but without the quickening [bringing to Life] of those scripture within us, they remain dead as they were on the page. How many Christian denominations are there today? Thousands apparently all based on the same Bibles and some even based on the same versions. This is because men use their heads to read the Bible and build their doctrines instead of being led by the Holy Spirit. If everyone was led all of the time by the Holy Spirit, they would eventually all agree with one another and most importantly with God.

The actual result is as we see with mixed doctrine and even conflicting doctrines. This comes from eating the carcass without drinking the Spirit.

 

[Davy]

Did God say His hand was in it, that is an assumption. King James had his reasons, even He changed things to justify himself, you should read about it. I happen to use the KJ but even that has difference depending on what version you buy. The bible is not my God.

Religion and the bible are like ice cream, God has His flavor, by the Spirit, but men have added there own, so it a bit like walking into an ice cream shop and choosing which flavor you like the mosy.
Ill have a bit of KJ with some SDA
Ill have a bit of NIV with some JW
Ill have a bit of ISV with some Morman

all mixture and so again men have no life because they wont go to the one who is life.

I recognize there was and still is propaganda against king James and thus the KJV Bible, but that's all it is, propaganda, most likely by the Jesuits who sought to get control over the Church in England. This little point the KJV translators mentioned in their Letter To The Reader in the 1st edition when they said they did not recognize a 'pope of popes' over them, but only as just another brethren believer.

 

[Davy]

There is a scholarly book I highly recommend regarding the Word of God. It's called The Witness of the Stars, written by E.W. Bullinger, a 19th century British Bible scholar.

Bullinger went to various archaeological sites like Dendera (?) to study the origins of the Zodiac constellations. What he found out from ancient history is that each constellation's name and meaning has been paganized over the centuries.

The original meanings aligned with God's Word. He documented all his finds in this book, and it might be a hard read for some. But what it reveals is that God's Word is written not just on paper with ink, but also is written in the stars. It was always there first before being given through men.

 

[Helen]

There is a scholarly book I highly recommend regarding the Word of God. It's called The Witness of the Stars, written by E.W. Bullinger, a 19th century British Bible scholar.

Bullinger went to various archaeological sites like Dendera (?) to study the origins of the Zodiac constellations. What he found out from ancient history is that each constellation's name and meaning has been paganized over the centuries.

The original meanings aligned with God's Word. He documented all his finds in this book, and it might be a hard read for some. But what it reveals is that God's Word is written not just on paper with ink, but also is written in the stars. It was always there first before being given through men.

Amen. I have some of his books , but not that one.
I agree. ( and we saw it with the wise men)

Psalm 19
1 " The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. "

 

[ScottA]

The sad and crazy reality of Christian history, is that we went from being told "today", "this generation", "I am with you always", "God pouring out His spirit upon all flesh" beginning at the day of Pentecost as foretold by Joel the prophet and confirmed by Peter, "the Spirit of truth guiding us into all truth", becoming "a new creation" wherein "it is not we who live but Christ who lives in us", and "quickly"...to a would-be unknown gap between the 69th and 70th weeks foretold by Daniel, a do-over of Christ coming again in the same way He first came, and a televised mass rapture event in the unknown distant future to another "wicked generation seeking a sign."

Unfortunately, that same generation Christ called "wicked", who heard Him say the words, went right back to sleep and didn't believe it or take it all to heart. So, He reprimanded six out of the seven churches for the damage that had already been done, and inspired the apostle Paul to foretell of our current era of strong delusion, for their choosing to believe a lie, rather than the truth that was delivered to them. Way to go guys!

The thing is, I for one, don't read their account of it all in the same way in which they did not believe it - but I believe it as Jesus said it. Indeed, the Holy Spirit does lead unto all truth - and it is not what has been preached since that same wicked generation taught it in error and unbelief. And because I do and have experienced all of which was first given to them, it is my witness that they were in error and handed down the teachings of men and not of Christ, whose words were spirit - and that where these have been the times of the gentiles and the going forth of the gospel of Jesus Christ unto all people and every nation, we have now come into the time of the sounding of the seventh angel "that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."

The same word that was preached to them, is different and better understood by the Holy Spirit, than by the teachings of these many former generations. When He knocks, open the door.

 

[ScottA]

"Scripture is not the last word."

If Scripture is the Word of God, then it is the first Word and the last Word.

Except that His words...are spirit.

It's a thought provoking title on purpose. Don't get your feathers all up in a bunch.

 

[ScottA]

If some commenter says 'not every word(of Scripture) was inspired by God', reject that person's god.
If they say Scripture is not the last word, reject that person's god.

If someone comments and says the words of Jesus Christ are not spirit, reject that person. But don't reject God as they have.

John 6:63
"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life."

And if that someone says that Jesus spoke the words that are now written, foretelling that the days would soon come when "all truth" would be finished by the Spirit of truth, reject that person, for it is written:

John 16:13 [Full Chapter]
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."

 

[mjrhealth]

Yes, the scriptures are our God given foundation, and we do not discard them, but press on to perfection. The word of God is under His providence alone, and not that of men.

Christ is our foundation, it is revelation that Christ is using to build upon that foundation hence

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

God bless

 

[Windmill Charge]

Apparently you are indeed under the wrong impression. We do not give up our foundation to build the rest of the house. That is not what I said. But rather, as Paul said, we leave the elementary principles as elementary and press on. Which does not contradict what he said about the Bereans. By your using your quote of Paul against my quote of Paul - you show yourself as lacking understanding.

So...I'll be blunt: If you want to go on sleeping and do not want to heed Christ in His final words to stay awake to avoid this temptation, and not hear the spirit of His comment to "Rise, let us be going", then you too will deny Him.

I say again, not one, not the other only, but first the flesh and what is written, then the Spirit.

I confirm with the scriptures. This is how it was for me from the very start with my own road to Damascus type experience. In fact that is what I have done here with this thread, even considering the scriptures the precedent for things to come. For, more importantly, the chronology according to the scriptures is first, the word, and then the spirit.

Acording to you you recieve a message from the Holy Spirit and you check that message against the bible.
That means the bible is the Final authority.

 

[ScottA]

Acording to you you recieve a message from the Holy Spirit and you check that message against the bible.
That means the bible is the Final authority.

This I do, but not as you say. I was first taken up in the spirit, then drawn in the spirit to read the word of God, which is spirit. Even now, I go to His word for confirmation, but not confirmation in word, but in the spirit. The scriptures must be discerned spiritually.

But don't point to me with accusations. Point rather to God. Is it not enough that He is spirit?

 

[bbyrd009]

Acording to you you recieve a message from the Holy Spirit and you check that message against the bible.
That means the bible is the Final authority.

lol, oops!

 

[bbyrd009]

But don't point to me with accusations.

no accusations in there, bro, that i could see