What does Our Savior consider Idolatry

[bbyrd009]

I didn't say "33,000". I said TENS of thousands.

ha, priceless lol

 

[FHII]

Like I said - this is a really tough question for Protestants because one of the main pillars of your belief system (Sola Scriptura) hangs in the balance. If the Catholic Church is right and those Books ARE Scripture - then you guys have been rejecting the Word of God for 5 centuries and Sola Scriptura goes right out the window . . .

I can't speak for protestants, but I don't think that they (Protestants) really care all that much about your questions or the Apochrypha. They're probably pretty much at peace over it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I can't speak for protestants, but I don't think that they (Protestants) really care all that much about your questions or the Apochrypha. They're probably pretty much at peace over it.

And that's fine.
Just don't say that you "accept" the Deuterocanonicals as Scripture when you keep referring to them as "Apocrypha".

MOST Protestants are honest about their rejection of these Books, unlike you . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

ha, priceless lol

Priceless but true.

 

[bbyrd009]

Priceless but true.

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[FHII]

And that's fine.
Just don't say that you "accept" the Deuterocanonicals as Scripture when you keep referring to them as "Apocrypha".

MOST Protestants are honest about their rejection of these Books, unlike you . . .

The "Apocrypha" is what they are called. Its not me calling those books that name, its what almost all of Christians outside the Catholic Church calls it.

Speaking of the name, I wish I could say I don't understand why you are so upset with the term, but I do understand. Somehow you have taken the word to be an "anti-Catholic slur". Its not.

From what I have read Apocryphal books are of two types: 1. Your beloved dueterocanical books and 2. Noncanical books.

The definitions of the term are: 1. Of unknown or doubtful origin 2. Of doubtul sanction or uncanical 3. False. The word itself literally means "hidden".

These books which for your sake i will call the dueterocanical books weren't labeled false writings by anyone. If so, Luther wouldn't have included them as "useful" works. If so they would've been rejected by other bibles like the KJV. Yet I suspect this is the reason you are so offended as to label the term "Apocrypha" an anti catholic slur. I hope I'm wrong about that but it seems the only logical reason for your reaction.

So if that's not the reason, what is?

And once again... I am not the on who calls it Apocryha. That is what it is called by half the Christian world.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The "Apocrypha" is what they are called. Its not me calling those books that name, its what almost all of Christians outside the Catholic Church calls it.

Speaking of the name, I wish I could say I don't understand why you are so upset with the term, but I do understand. Somehow you have taken the word to be an "anti-Catholic slur". Its not.

From what I have read Apocryphal books are of two types: 1. Your beloved dueterocanical books and 2. Noncanical books.

The definitions of the term are: 1. Of unknown or doubtful origin 2. Of doubtul sanction or uncanical 3. False. The word itself literally means "hidden".

These books which for your sake i will call the dueterocanical books weren't labeled false writings by anyone. If so, Luther wouldn't have included them as "useful" works. If so they would've been rejected by other bibles like the KJV. Yet I suspect this is the reason you are so offended as to label the term "Apocrypha" an anti catholic slur. I hope I'm wrong about that but it seems the only logical reason for your reaction.

So if that's not the reason, what is?

And once again... I am not the on who calls it Apocryha. That is what it is called by half the Christian world.

No they're not. They're only called "Apocrypha" by anti-Catholics. who reject them as being inspired.
They are called the "Deuterocanonical Books" by those who believe that they are inspired.

YOU keep referring to them as "Apocrypha" which means one of two things:
a. You reject their inspiration
b. You are simply ignorant of history.

I would rather believe in the latter - but I suspect the former is true.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Thanks for that absolutely irrelevant verse that simply exposes your complete ignorance of Scripture . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

Thanks for that absolutely irrelevant verse that simply exposes your complete ignorance of Scripture . . .

well BoL, that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed (the son of destruction). If you really believe that is irrelevant, then you could always make a poll to see, or even use some other random method i guess. Or you could even show your math, that might be compelling. Who am i, to say you are wrong?

 

[BreadOfLife]

well BoL, that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed (the son of destruction). If you really believe that is irrelevant, then you could always make a poll to see, or even use some other random method i guess. Or you could even show your math, that might be compelling. Who am i, to say you are wrong?

It was irrelevant to our conversation.
Why don't you try being honest for a change?

 

[bbyrd009]

It was irrelevant to our conversation.
Why don't you try being honest for a change?

ah, you think this is a conversation, i forget. the methods were suggested as a path to honesty, if you like.

i guess both of your parents were pretty authoritarian, huh. both dead now?

 

[BreadOfLife]

ah, you think this is a conversation, i forget. the methods were suggested as a path to honesty, if you like.

i guess both of your parents were pretty authoritarian, huh. both dead now?

A little advice:
Wait until you have something useful to add to the conversation before responding . . .

 

[FHII]

No they're not. They're only called "Apocrypha" by anti-Catholics. who reject them as being inspired.
They are called the "Deuterocanonical Books" by those who believe that they are inspired.

YOU keep referring to them as "Apocrypha" which means one of two things:
a. You reject their inspiration
b. You are simply ignorant of history.

I would rather believe in the latter - but I suspect the former is true.

Good heavens.... That's just some old fashioned catholic paranoia there...

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good heavens.... That's just some old fashioned catholic paranoia there...

Not at all.
It's just a little history lesson.

You don't understand what "apocrypha" or "apocryphal" mean, which is the basis for your confusion.

 

[bbyrd009]

Good heavens.... That's just some old fashioned catholic paranoia there...

ya, i'm pretty sure they are inspired, but i never heard of any other term to refer to them, myself. And how many times can one say "deuterocanonical" anyway?

 

[bbyrd009]

You don't understand what "apocrypha" or "apocryphal" mean

and how does that make you feel, BoL?

 

[BreadOfLife]

and how does that make you feel, BoL?

It doesn't make me feel anything.
It simply exposes the ignorance of people who use words and have NO idea what they mean . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

ya, i'm pretty sure they are inspired, but i never heard of any other term to refer to them, myself. And how many times can one say "deuterocanonical" anyway?

One says "Deuterocanonical" when one knows what they're talking about.
One refers to the Deuterocanonical Bools as "Apocrypha when they are either anti-Catholic - or don't have a clue as to what "Apocrypha" means . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

One says "Deuterocanonical" when one knows what they're talking about.
One refers to the Deuterocanonical Bools as "Apocrypha when they are either anti-Catholic - or don't have a clue as to what "Apocrypha" means . . .

well i guess "hidden" is also an acceptable definition, BoL.

i just cannot describe how surreal it is to volunteer all morning with Catholic Charities, and then come here and read your utterly sad reflection of Catholicism. Why do you seek enemies?

 

[BreadOfLife]

well i guess "hidden" is also an acceptable definition, BoL.

Pay attention bbyrd.

FHII was claiming to believe that these Books are inspired - while referring to them as "Apocrypha". This is a contradiction in terms.
It's what most people would refer to as an "oxymoron."