Nothing new under the sun, and what has been will be again, as Solomon wrote. I think we can take it that fallen human nature is pretty much the same in every generation.....scoffing and mistreating those who are sent. Noah was a preacher of righteousness and they did not believe the one who was sent, just like they didn't believe Jesus.
"Is excessive interpretation the root cause of differences in understanding and doctrinal divisions in the Bible?"
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St. SteVen
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Is there anything you can't understand? If God had no mercy, perhaps not even Noah's family could have survived.
My understanding is that God is just showing his sovereignty, his power, and if rain is evil, then the next is endless drought.
I don't know how to describe this issue, the laws of nature, the legal system of nature, or the authority of God.
God is gradually revealing His true self to mankind, from what you consider a cruel reality to God's love, and constantly warning us.
Fear the Lord God the almighty.
Dash RipRock
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Is this an accusation against the Lord claiming He did wrong by flooding the earth?
Was this a sin by the Lord?
St. SteVen
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What does that say about God?
What would we call a human that would do that? (a tyrant)
Does God operate at a lower standard than he holds us to?
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I dont' know if you read my posts on the previous page. I hope you will have a look and consider what is being said there. It is something the Lord was gracious to give me understanding of very recently, hot off the press. When God says He sends or creates something evil, it is often if not always, just in a manner of speaking, because He is ruling and reigning just as much in the things He passively allows as when He is actively intervening. It is not an easy thing to understand His sovereign rule and reign above all things. As someone already pointed out people unfortunately reap what they sow...there are natural consequences to evil and sin. "Sent" by God often means He is simply allowing it and He is the one we glorify in all things. He foreknows everything and has woven everything into His ultimate plans and purposes. Those who refuse to live in His blessing and in His righteous laws, reap what is outside His blessing, which is cursing and evil consequences.
God Himself is not the instigator of evil, nor does He cause anyone to sin or believe lies. But He created the Destroyer to work havoc, in that He foreknew the devil would fall and work havoc. But the devil must go through the Lord.....like with Job and with Peter, Satan had to get God's permission to cause trouble. The Lord allowed the devil to have his way (up to the limit He set), because He chastises who He loves as sons, that we may partake of His holiness. We are not to lean on our own understanding but in all our ways acknowledge God and He will make our paths straight. Like when Job was suffering he didn't blame the devil, he acknowledged God saying "shall we only accept good from the Lord's hand and not evil?"
Do you have a problem with God flooding the world, destroying all mankind, and all the animals, but for those on that boat?
Does God have to explain Himself to you? Do you sit in judgment over God?
The state has the right to execute criminals, you do not. Is the state wrong for having authority you lack?
The state incarerates someone out of their authority, and do not violate the law. If you do it, that's kidnapping, and you become incarcerated.
This is the gaping flaw in your argument.
Much love!
How corrupted had humanity become? If you think God was wrong to destroy all mankind but for those 8 persons, I suggest that you consider you don't have all the information, and that if you knew what God knows, and if you had His wisdom, I expect you'd do the same.
Much love!
As I said, God was showing His authority in the matter of the Great Flood, and that's God's authority, if you think it's unkind, God also showed His mercy in the New Testament and His authority over His enemies in Revelation.
God merely clearly shows us His true self and His omnipotence to us.God is showing humanity a comprehensive self, from His authority to His mercy.
That's why Fear the Lord God the almighty.
That's why you feel the love of God.
If God merely shows His mercy, perhaps many people cannot feel His love, because if God treats everyone kindly, many people will think it unreasonable and unfair. But this is only the human perspective and does not represent the perspective of God.
Perhaps God's measures regarding the Great Flood were taken from a human perspective,Because human just hope that evil things have never existed. while the New Testament is entirely God's own true perspective.
So either way, God intentually and purposely chose to caused the flood or intentually and purposely chose not to prevent such a horrific event to occur.
The choice was God's to make. He was responsible for the outcome.
God foresaw the evil filling the earth up until Noah's day. He could've prevented it from getting to this state but didn't.
So God had to accept the consequences of His actions or inactions don't you think.
I accept His decision to act in this way. Yes, He knows everything and has the right to do with His creations as he pleases.
Shouldn't the fallen angels be responsible for what they have done? Does everything need to be the responsibility of God?
God acquiesced in the affairs of the angels, and in the Chinese concept of Taoism,Have such an idea:
If you have no desires, observe how the world operates.
If you have desires, Then observe what you can gain,good or bad.
Yes, it seems that's the case. Humans thinking what's best for us.
As we have come to see, it's all about God's pleasure, God's glory. He is the Creator and Potter to make whatever He wants for Himself.
How have we come to be so self centred to think God created His creations for us humans.
Could this be another one of those doctrine of demons?
God is from the so-called "brutality",To endure the wickedness of man,Looking for a man to repent of his sins,Gives people love and compassion.This has been made clear,Is there a murderer in this world,Will be directly killed by the god?Is there a sinner in this world,Will be directly killed by the god?
Indeed.
Please tell me what your point is with this. Are you, a mere man whose life is but a vapour that quickly evaporates away, accusing your Creator, who you need to thank for the very breath in your nostrils this day, of wrong-doing? What are you trying to say.....? Either that God is a very bad person and not worthy of our worship, or that the bible is not to be believed...? It occurs to me that Jesus, the Word made flesh, was often misunderstood by those whose hearts weren't right and it caused them to accuse Him.....same thing happens with the word of God....it is often misunderstood and makes people falsely accuse God. It tests hearts.
The people chose. God gave them plenty of fair warning....a hundred year's worth. But they would not BELIEVE the one who He sent.
Does God violate man's free will? We have been made in His image, with a will of our own. He isn't looking to make us into puppets, but he wants worshipers who will worship Him in spirit and in truth. Wow, you want to insist that the Lord God Almighty accept the consequences of His actions, but it's wrong for people to accept the consequences of their actions? And is suffering and dying a horrible death to rescue an undeserving race of humankind from the consequences of their actions not enough for you?
Again a quote from the bible, Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Yes they did
Yes, the words of God which His Spirit communicates with us directly, when shared are often misunderstood and makes people falsely accuse God. It tests hearts.
There wasn't enough room on the ark for them anyway. It would have sunk and all would've perished.
Who came up with this statement. I've never read this in any bible.... We have been made in His image, with a will of our own.
Is it in Genesis 1:32 "Let us make man in Our image, with a will of their own."
Maybe more like clay then.
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
I'm so glad He love me first by choosing me because He'd still be waiting for me to love and choose Him if it was left to me.
He's a big Person. He's more than capable of accepting the consequences and ramifications of His actions and inaction.
What do you believe? Should we?
I accept mine. Often my very kind Father chooses to remove them. Other times He chooses not to. I'm perfectly ok with His decision.
It is what it is by design. This was God's plan all along, so again, I'm perfectly OK with what He did.
And He gets my thanks and expressions of gratitude quite regularly.
Interpretation is the problem. It is trying to understand God with the human mind. That is not what our Brothers with their Apostolic Gifts did. They got Revelation from God Himself. And only in Revelation can all others understand. Meaning God Himself speak to you Personally in your closet and tell you personally what His Word mean.
1 Cor. 2: 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
2 Peter 1:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
1 Cor. 2: 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
2 Peter 1:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
And Paul continues.....14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
So what exactly was Peter refering to when he mentioned, 'scripture'?
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