Christ Died for All

[Keiw]

Quick question. Who did Jesus buy Adam back from? Who did He actually pay?

He handed the ransom sacrifice to his God and Father when re-entered heaven.

 

[Keiw]

Kiew,
I agree and have agreed probably 50 times on these boards that we are to repent of sins. I have NO idea why you keep repeating yourself and I have to agree with you again and again and again.
What is missing here? There is some sort of a disconnect.
I show you that Jesus died for YOUR sins and give you scriptures to prove that amazing grace-- and you give me scripture that says to repent. I agree with that.
So, why are you fighting the truth that Jesus died for YOUR sins- not only Adam's sin like the wtbs says?
You see, once you BELIEVE God that Jesus really did die for YOUR sins too-- you should rejoice.
Instead you argue and talk about sins- -- Yes that's the point- SINS?
Is this run around because you are still unsure or afraid of the men of the watchtower?
Believe God and the scriptures-- not the fallible men.

We know we sin- and we should feel guilt over our sins- so when we learn that Jesus died to pay the price for us and removes the penalty- we rejoice and praise God!! We come to him as we are- sinful. Then once we accept His gift- He washes us clean!
we begin to change inside and He helps us to grow- it's a process called sanctification where we are growing and learning and changing, It is all of God. We just cooperate and keep praying. He does this work in us. We pray, we read scriptures and cast all of our worries and fears on Him. He cares! We love Him because He first loved us!! How did he love us? By sending His son to pay for our sins!!! It is amazing and once you get that------------------------------ then you can worry about cleaning up your sins. He will help you.
We can't do it alone. We fail. He has ways that are very different. When I am tempted, I pray and He gives me strength immediately and shows me a way out. We can do nothing without Him!!

Trust Him. Ask him to help you believe HIs truth in the bible. Ask Him whatever you want to ask him! Don't be afraid. Tell Him you have confusion and fears- tell Him you want HIS TRUTH and ONLY HIS TRUTH. Tell him you have a zillion questions- tell Him whatever is going on inside of you. -- be 10000 % honest with Him.
Whatever you do please don't put your trust in man who can't even understand that Jesus died for OUR SINS.
They are wrong wrong wrong on this.
I hope this wasn't too long. I hope you read it. I hope you do it. I am praying for you.

Jesus died and gave all an opportunity to enter the narrow gate and get off the broad and spacious path--Few have.

 

[Keiw]

Which verse says for those who obey?

John 15:10-14= To remain in Jesus' love and remain his friend one must obey, just as he must obey his Father to remain in his love.

 

[PS95]

Jesus died and gave all an opportunity to enter the narrow gate and get off the broad and spacious path--Few have.

That's all you have to say? How sad that is.
Yes, it is a narrow gate and few ever find it.
Know why? They listen to man and not the Lord.
You refuse to go to Him, and instead choose to listen to the voice of strangers- the men of the watchtower. Flickering lights, changing lights and back to the old light and back and forth, ever tossed and never finding the truth which is Jesus Christ. Instead you call your org- the truth. Watch out!
You are commanded to teach to others, and must believe all of their teachings as fact, that will be gone tomorrow. How can you ever know if today's truth wont be gone in a month? How can you teach it to others? God does not change and he does not play these games. Men do. These men don't care. They abuse a proverb to attempt to justify themselves. It's a horrible thing to do, Keiw.

I know you want to obey God, but these men do not, and stand in the way blocking the kingdom of God, just like the Pharisees did, only worse.
The truth is Jesus.

 

[Berean]

Jesus teaches--FEW will find the road that leads off into life. Why? Because the world hates his followers. Why? Because they are no part of this world= no voting for corrupt politicians, no killing their human family members for mortal govts. No participating in the pagan filled holidays. Etc. Thus they do not fit in to what the world calls normal.

You're right Keiw, Jesus said, say "many are called and few are chosen (Matt 22:14), but what was he referring too? He was referring to the high calling in Christ, because THAT is the only call at the moment. Many are called to the wedding feast, but few are found acceptable for the Little Flock.

 

[One 2 question]

You're right Keiw, Jesus said, say "many are called and few are chosen (Matt 22:14), but what was he referring too? He was referring to the high calling in Christ, because THAT is the only call at the moment. Many are called to the wedding feast, but few are found acceptable for the Little Flock.

Yes, Jesus the Groom will have His bride made of those redeemed from every tongue, tribe, nation and people. After their marriage they will do what? Return to earth for 1000 years to restore and complete it.

For what purpose? So King Jesus the Groom can hand His kingdom over to His Father. Why? So His Father can come to planet earth with His City, the New Jerusalem.

For what purpose? So that out from this new home base all the rest of creation can be set free from their state of decay and like planet earth be restored and completed.

This will be one of our roles in the never ending life ahead. Ruling over planets and galaxies. Isn't this an awesome hope!

Who will accompany each of us firstfruits, the chosen and elect bride? The faithful angels, ministering spirits.

And there is going to be an unrivalled event within all this.

The helpers we will rule over who will assist in restoring God's creation will be those from the lake of fire. Yes, I saw Satan and all who were in the lake of fire repent. They drew near to God as prodigals and their Creator forgave them and reconciled and restored every last being.

Then I saw God reach behind His throne and slide a throne to His left for Satan to sit with Him. This serves as a perpetual, never ending visual evidence of the supreme love of God that loves even His enemies.

Oh the mercy and grace of our Divine Creator. I love Him so much for He does all things so well.

 

[PS95]

Jesus died and gave all an opportunity to enter the narrow gate and get off the broad and spacious path--Few have.

1 John 5:1-5
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves those born of Him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome, 4because everyone born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith. 5Who then overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[One 2 question]

1 John 5:1-5
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves those born of Him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome, 4because everyone born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith. 5Who then overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Yes, when we follow His commands as soldiers of the King in this age, this proves that we are in training for our future role. The role as kings under the King Jesus in His coming 1000 year kingdom..

 

[PS95]

Yes, when we follow His commands as soldiers of the King in this age, this proves that we are in training for our future role. The role as kings under the King Jesus in His coming 1000 year kingdom..

Keiw is a Jw. That is why I posted those verses. Jws are taught that they are not born of God- born again. Those verses dispute that lie.
They also believe and teach--
NOT IN THE NEW COVENANT
JESUS IS NOT THEIR MEDIATOR
NOT A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST
JESUS DID NOT DIE FOR THEIR SINS
NOT DECLARED RIGHTEOUS
DO NOT BELONG TO CHRIST
NOT BRANCHES OF THE TRUE VINE
DO NOT CRY OUT "ABBA FATHER"
NOT ANNOINTED SONS OF GOD
NOT HEIRS WITH CHRIST
NOT BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT
NOT BAPTIZED INTO JESUS' DEATH
NOT FREED FROM BEING SLAVES TO SIN
NOT SPIRITUAL CHILDREN OF GOD
NOT PARTAKERS OF HIS FLESH & BLOOD
NOT PARTAKERS OF COMMUNION
NOT UNITED WITH JESUS IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS DEATH
etc..

I hope that helps you to understand Jws. It's the list of an unbeliever.
Maybe start with Keiw there..

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yet when those in the lake of fire eventually repent and seek their Creators forgiveness, the blood of the Christ will cleanse them ALL of all their sin. Then all will be reconciled to their wonderful, gracious, loving Creator.

Why would God show mercy and extend His grace to these sinners in the LOF? Because He's not willing for any to be seperated from Him and that all to be saved from a never ending suffering and torment and join Him in His never ending kingdom.

I can't think of any bible passage that would support your view that someone in hell can find it within themselves to repent and be saved from the punishment their sin deserves. To the contrary, the bible describes those in hell as blaspheming while they suffer the torment of fire and that just keeps adding more coals of fire to their heads.

God doesn't break His promises or go back on His Word, nor does He ever change His mind about anything. If He saves you, then nothing can ever snatch you out of His hand, because there is nobody greater than Him. But if your salvation is dependent on your ability to stay saved, then you're already doomed to fail.

Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries."

 

[NotTheRock]

I can't think of any bible passage that would support your view that someone in hell can find it within themselves to repent and be saved from the punishment their sin deserves.

What about this?

Lamentations 3:31
English Standard Version
31 For the Lord will not
cast off forever,

 

[Keiw]

That's all you have to say? How sad that is.
Yes, it is a narrow gate and few ever find it.
Know why? They listen to man and not the Lord.
You refuse to go to Him, and instead choose to listen to the voice of strangers- the men of the watchtower. Flickering lights, changing lights and back to the old light and back and forth, ever tossed and never finding the truth which is Jesus Christ. Instead you call your org- the truth. Watch out!
You are commanded to teach to others, and must believe all of their teachings as fact, that will be gone tomorrow. How can you ever know if today's truth wont be gone in a month? How can you teach it to others? God does not change and he does not play these games. Men do. These men don't care. They abuse a proverb to attempt to justify themselves. It's a horrible thing to do, Keiw.

I know you want to obey God, but these men do not, and stand in the way blocking the kingdom of God, just like the Pharisees did, only worse.
The truth is Jesus.

Yes Exactly--They listen to men's dogmas-- There is 0 doubt in every translation on Earth the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers.

 

[Keiw]

You're right Keiw, Jesus said, say "many are called and few are chosen (Matt 22:14), but what was he referring too? He was referring to the high calling in Christ, because THAT is the only call at the moment. Many are called to the wedding feast, but few are found acceptable for the Little Flock.

Only 144,000 make up the little flock.

 

[Keiw]

1 John 5:1-5
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves those born of Him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome, 4because everyone born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith. 5Who then overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Jesus warned all that they do not know God=Father-John 15:20-21)--The one Jesus teaches = The one who sent him= Father=THE ONLY TRUE GOD. John 17:3

 

[PS95]

Jesus warned all that they do not know God=Father-John 15:20-21)--The one Jesus teaches = The one who sent him= Father=THE ONLY TRUE GOD. John 17:3

If the watchtower men are correct then you do not believe that Jesus is the Christ.
Because if you did, then you were born of God, according to scripture.
The watchtower men say you are not born of God aka born again. therefore to them, you do not believe that Jesus is the Christ.

it is written--
1 John 5:1a
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God,

 

[PS95]

Yes Exactly--They listen to men's dogmas-- There is 0 doubt in every translation on Earth the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers.

No. the watchtower men say that you are not born of God. They are wrong, wrong wrong.
1 John 5:1-5
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God,
Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, Keiw?

 

[Berean]

Only 144,000 make up the little flock.

Did I say otherwise?

 

[Keiw]

If the watchtower men are correct then you do not believe that Jesus is the Christ.
Because if you did, then you were born of God, according to scripture.
The watchtower men say you are not born of God aka born again. therefore to them, you do not believe that Jesus is the Christ.

it is written--
1 John 5:1a
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God,

I know 100% that Jesus is the one God sent= the Messiah. God sent him, God did not come.(John 3:16,17

 

[Keiw]

Did I say otherwise?

The blind guides tell all they are going to heaven. The little flock and the great crowd--Its they who are wrong because they don't listen to Jesus-Matt 5:5-Blessed are the meek( great crowd) for they will inherit the Earth.

 

[PS95]

I know 100% that Jesus is the one God sent= the Messiah. God sent him, God did not come.(John 3:16,17

Yep, Jesus was sent. He is God's only-begotten son. Son of Mary and son of God. --Joseph wasn't his papa! Jesus is unique!

However, that has nothing to do with the watchtower telling you that you are not born of God.
You believe Jesus is the Christ. His death is what pays for your sins too, Keiw. You believe that in your heart. you know it was for all sin not just Adam's.
You can read what the bible says. You have eyes to see.
1 John 5:1a
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God,

I'm just asking you to believe the scriptures and not men.