The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Ronald Nolette]

When Jesus said, “I did not come to destroy the Law or the Prophets but to fulfill,” He did not mean that the Law and the Prophets were ended or made useless. He meant that He came to complete them, to bring out their full meaning, and to show what they were truly pointing toward.

That is what you say. Jesus said differently. Learn what fulfill means in the original.

Jesus did not throw away the Law or replace it. He brought it to life! He taught it with mercy, love, and truth. He corrected those like the Pharisees who followed the rules but missed the purpose behind them. He taught that we are to follow God’s commands not with cold obedience, but with a heart full of compassion and love.

No He did not throw them away. He fulfilled their requirements

As Paul said:

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Galatians 3:

King James Version

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11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Law was the basis for what has become operative.


The beginning of wisdom is this: Get wisdom.
Though it cost all you have, get understanding.


Proverbs 4:7

In the OT but as Paul said in Gal 3:

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

7 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The Law has been fulfilled and rendered in operative now that faith is come. this is wisdom.

 

[LoveYeshua]

That is what you say. Jesus said differently. Learn what fulfill means in the original.

No He did not throw them away. He fulfilled their requirements

As Paul said:

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Galatians 3:​

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King James Version​

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11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Jesus said the law would never pass, do you agree with this?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus said the law would never pass, do you agree with this?

He said ti would not pass until all be fulfilled. He did say that His words would last forfever.

So i fyou believe Jesus said the law is eternal then based on the writings of Paul, you call Paul a liar.

 

[LoveYeshua]

He said ti would not pass until all be fulfilled. He did say that His words would last forfever.

So i fyou believe Jesus said the law is eternal then based on the writings of Paul, you call Paul a liar.

Matthew 5:17-18

17Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

this means clearly the law is not abolished!!

18For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth shall pass away, not even one iota, nor one stroke of a letter, shall pass away from the law, until everything should happen.

"until heaven and earth shall pass away," they are still present both of them
"Until everything should happen" this has not happened yet

so the law remains until then, still VALID!

When Jesus says that not even the smallest part of the law will pass away, He’s affirming that the law’s moral and spiritual authority is eternal and will be in place until all things are completed. He doesn't mean that we are bound to every single Old Testament law in a legalistic sense, but that the principles of the law, The moral law ( commonly refered as the ten commandments) —the principles of justice, mercy, and love—remains intact. They are never invalidated and that Christ Himself fulfills it perfectly, showing its ultimate purpose.

 

[GeneZ]

Without the Law we could not begin to understand the Atonement on the Cross.

No more symbolism = lamb sacrifices.

Fulfilled = the Cross of Jesus Christ.

He FULFILLED what the law could only teach about, but could never have fulfilled in itself!

 

[shepherdsword]

In context, that passage is talking about changing the law for the making of priests - that they must be Levites, etc.

The idea is that the new priesthood is after the order of Melchizedek, and not Levi.

The scripture clearly teaches that the law is a singular mandate with many pieces.

Jas 2:10-11 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, (changed at the sermon on the mount)said also, Do not kill. (also changed at the sermon on the mount) Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

If a change was made in the priesthood there must also be a change in the mandate. We can see the changes in the sermon on the mount where Jesus says "You have heard it said BUT I say unto you..."

Mt 5:21-22 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


Mt 5:27-28 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

We can also see changes here at the Lord's supper:

Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

and again here:

Mt 26:27-28
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

As we can see, there were many changes to the law that were not isolated to a change from the Levitical priesthood. In fact, the levitical priesthood will always be with us in some form. This is a clear reference to the millennial kingdom (eat your heart out Amils)

Jer 33:15-18 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness. For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

We can also see Paul going into the temple to keep a vow, which always requires animal sacrifice:

Ac 21:23-24 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;
Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their headsNazirite vow) and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.


We can clearly see that the throne of David and the Levitical order are closely entangled and you can't eliminate one without the other.
We can also clearly see that the Lord Jesus changed the law at the sermon on the mount and sealed the testament with His own blood.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Matthew 5:17-18

17Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill.

this means clearly the law is not abolished!!

18For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth shall pass away, not even one iota, nor one stroke of a letter, shall pass away from the law, until everything should happen.

"until heaven and earth shall pass away," they are still present both of them
"Until everything should happen" this has not happened yet

so the law remains until then, still VALID!

When Jesus says that not even the smallest part of the law will pass away, He’s affirming that the law’s moral and spiritual authority is eternal and will be in place until all things are completed. He doesn't mean that we are bound to every single Old Testament law in a legalistic sense, but that the principles of the law, The moral law ( commonly refered as the ten commandments) —the principles of justice, mercy, and love—remains intact. They are never invalidated and that Christ Himself fulfills it perfectly, showing its ultimate purpose.

πληρόω​

Transliteration
plēroō (Key)
Pronunciation
play-ro'-o

1. to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
   1. to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
      1. I abound, I am liberally supplied
2. to render full, i.e. to complete
   1. to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
   2. to consummate: a number
      1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
      2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
   3. to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
      1. of matters of duty: to perform, execute
      2. of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
      3. to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment
      4. 
         
      5. Gods Word says you are wrong in you runderstanding.
         
         
         Also there is this:
         

         Galatians 3:23-25
         
         King James Version
         
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         23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
         24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
         25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
         
         We are no longer under the law
         

 

[Wick Stick]

As we can see, there were many changes to the law that were not isolated to a change from the Levitical priesthood. In fact, the levitical priesthood will always be with us in some form. This is a clear reference to the millennial kingdom (eat your heart out Amils)

Jer 33:15-18 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness. For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

Yes - this bit of Jeremiah certainly contradicts the bit of Hebrews that talks about a change of the priesthood. A rather obvious problem is that the offerings aren't happening and haven't for a long time. Hebrews appears to be correct. Jeremiah appears to be misunderstood or misapplied here.

We can clearly see that the throne of David and the Levitical order are closely entangled and you can't eliminate one without the other.

No. I think the Bible teaches that the throne of David comes with a priestly office and duties that are separate from those of the Levitical order. One of them has been eliminated (Levites) and one of them continues in perpetuity (Melchizedek).

We can also clearly see that the Lord Jesus changed the law at the sermon on the mount and sealed the testament with His own blood.

Jesus didn't get rid of any commandments in Matthew 5. He made several of them stricter. He prohibited enforcing them against each other by taking up stones. He told us to follow them for ourselves. That's the change - the enforcement.

We don't need to shoulder the whole burden of animal sacrifices, or support a parasite-class of priests anymore.

 

[shepherdsword]

Yes - this bit of Jeremiah certainly contradicts the bit of Hebrews that talks about a change of the priesthood. A rather obvious problem is that the offerings aren't happening and haven't for a long time. Hebrews appears to be correct. Jeremiah appears to be misunderstood or misapplied here.

The misunderstanding is on your part

Jer 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.(Millennial kingdom)

The prophecy is referring to the future millennial kingdom when, according to Ez 40-48 the Levitical sacrifices will one again be established.

No. I think the Bible teaches that the throne of David comes with a priestly office and duties that are separate from those of the Levitical order. One of them has been eliminated (Levites) and one of them continues in perpetuity (Melchizedek).

This contradicts Jer 33 were we are told very clearly the levites will be reestablished

Jesus didn't get rid of any commandments in Matthew 5. He made several of them stricter. He prohibited enforcing them against each other by taking up stones. He told us to follow them for ourselves. That's the change - the enforcement.

I am glad to see that you have back peddled and admitted the change. However, Paul speaks in Galatians what the law of Moses was for and when it would end.

Gal 3:17-19
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

We don't need to shoulder the whole burden of animal sacrifices, or support a parasite-class of priests anymore.

According to Ez 40-48 they will be re-established as a token of respect. In much the same way Paul when into the temple when he made the nazarite vow and offered a sacrifice.

 

[Wick Stick]

The misunderstanding is on your part

Jer 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.(Millennial kingdom)

The prophecy is referring to the future millennial kingdom when, according to Ez 40-48 the Levitical sacrifices will one again be established.

The primary fulfillment of this prophecy happens in the books of Zechariah, Ezra and Nehemiah when the Jews returned from diaspora. There can be be multiple fulfillments, but that's what Jeremiah was referring to.

This contradicts Jer 33 were we are told very clearly the levites will be reestablished

The Levites were re-established when the Jews returned from captivity.

Gal 3:17-19
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

According to Ez 40-48 they will be re-established as a token of respect. In much the same way Paul when into the temple when he made the nazarite vow and offered a sacrifice.

Already happened. Will it happen again in the future? No. The New Testament specifically tells us the priesthood was changed.

I am glad to see that you have back peddled and admitted the change. However, Paul speaks in Galatians what the law of Moses was for and when it would end.

I wrote precisely the same words I did on page 1 of this thread - that the enforcement has changed but the 10 commandments remain the same. There was no back peddling.

I prefer not to deal with people who are dishonest and intentionally provoke, so I've added you to my ignore list. Have the last word, by all means.

 

[shepherdsword]

The primary fulfillment of this prophecy happens in the books of Zechariah, Ezra and Nehemiah when the Jews returned from diaspora. There can be be multiple fulfillments, but that's what Jeremiah was referring to.

Ezekiel referred to a future temple in chapters 40-48. That has never been fulfilled

The Levites were re-established when the Jews returned from captivity.

Already happened. Will it happen again in the future? No. The New Testament specifically tells us the priesthood was changed.

No, it hasn't already happened. Jeremiah referred to a future kingdom
Jer 33:15-18

15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

I wrote precisely the same words I did on page 1 of this thread - that the enforcement has changed but the 10 commandments remain the same. There was no back peddling.

I prefer not to deal with people who are dishonest and intentionally provoke, so I've added you to my ignore list. Have the last word, by all means.

Nice cop out....rather than humble yourself and learn you decide to maintain your errant position and hide from the truth. By all means ignore me.

 

[LoveYeshua]

πληρόω​

Transliteration
plēroō (Key)
Pronunciation
play-ro'-o

1. to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
   1. to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
      1. I abound, I am liberally supplied
2. to render full, i.e. to complete
   1. to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
   2. to consummate: a number
      1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
      2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
   3. to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
      1. of matters of duty: to perform, execute
      2. of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
      3. to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment
      4. 
         
      5. Gods Word says you are wrong in you runderstanding.
         
         
         Also there is this:
         

         Galatians 3:23-25
         
         King James Version​

         23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
         24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
         25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
         
         We are no longer under the law

Dear Ronald, there are a few different usage for the word Fulfil. since it is a point if disagreement for many I asked an AI to compare the different usages to a verse from Jesus;

Let me provide definitions of "fulfill" from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and match them to the most appropriate application in the context of Matthew 5:17.

""Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.""

Definitions of "Fulfill" from Merriam-Webster Dictionary:​

1. To bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize.
2. To put into effect.
3. To measure up to (a standard or expectation).
4. To carry out (a task, promise, or requirement).
5. To bring to an end.
6. To perform or carry out something as promised or required.

Applying these definitions to Matthew 5:17:​

1. "To bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize": This is likely the most fitting application for Jesus fulfilling the Law and the Prophets. The idea is that Jesus' life and actions brought the Law to its intended completion and ultimate realization, something the Old Testament Scriptures were pointing towards but not fully realized until Jesus. This matches with Jesus’ statement that He came to fulfill (realize) the Law.
2. "To put into effect": This could also be relevant since Jesus was the one who made the Law’s purpose and power effective in a way it hadn’t been fully seen before. However, it's a bit more abstract compared to the idea of completion and realization.
3. "To measure up to (a standard or expectation)": This is also applicable in that Jesus fulfilled the righteous requirements of the Law by perfectly obeying it, something no one else could do. However, it’s more of a secondary meaning when it comes to understanding how He fulfilled the Law.
4. "To carry out (a task, promise, or requirement)": This also works, especially when thinking about how Jesus carried out the purpose and requirements of the Law, such as fulfilling its sacrificial system through His own sacrifice. It could fit in terms of the Law’s demands being fully carried out in Him.
5. "To bring to an end": While Jesus' work on the cross did end the old sacrificial system, this definition doesn’t fully capture the deeper meaning of fulfillment in this passage. Jesus did not come to simply end the Law but to complete and fulfill its purpose.
6. "To perform or carry out something as promised or required": This is similar to "carry out a task" and fits well in the sense that Jesus fulfilled the promises and requirements of the Law through His life and work.

The most fitting definition for Matthew 5:17 would be "To bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize". This aligns with the idea that Jesus didn't come to abolish the Law but to bring its purpose to its ultimate fulfillment, completing what the Law and the Prophets pointed to in His person and work.


Let me take the definitions of "fulfill" from the Cambridge Dictionary and apply them to Matthew 5:17, just like we did with Merriam-Webster.

Definitions of "Fulfill" from the Cambridge Dictionary:​

1. To do or achieve what was hoped for or expected.
2. To do something that is required, promised, or expected.
3. To make something happen or be true.
4. To bring something to an end or to completion.
5. To reach or perform the required standard.

Applying these definitions to Matthew 5:17:​

1. "To do or achieve what was hoped for or expected": This definition fits well with the concept of Jesus fulfilling the Law and the Prophets. The Law and Prophets were pointing toward the coming Messiah, and Jesus achieved exactly what was hoped for and expected by fulfilling their prophecies and intentions. He realized the hope of salvation and righteousness that the Law pointed toward.
2. "To do something that is required, promised, or expected": This could be applied in the sense that Jesus did what the Law required—living in perfect obedience and fulfilling its moral, ceremonial, and prophetic elements. It highlights the requirement of righteousness that Jesus met and exceeded, bringing the Law to full completion.
3. "To make something happen or be true": This definition fits because Jesus made the truth of the Law and the Prophets come to reality in His life. He didn't just teach about the Law; He made its fulfillment tangible and real through His actions, bringing about its ultimate purpose.
4. "To bring something to an end or to completion": This could apply if we focus on how Jesus brought the old system of the Law to its fulfillment, which involved completing its purpose (especially with regard to the sacrificial system). However, while He did bring an end to the sacrificial system, the Law itself was not "ended" but rather completed in Him.
5. "To reach or perform the required standard": This could be an appropriate application because Jesus perfectly fulfilled the standards of righteousness the Law required, something humanity could never do. His perfect obedience to God’s law exemplified this fulfillment.

The most appropriate definition from the Cambridge Dictionary for Matthew 5:17 is "To do something that is required, promised, or expected". This reflects how Jesus fulfilled the Law by perfectly meeting its requirements, living out its moral teachings, and fulfilling its prophetic promises. He brought what was required by the Law into reality, completing its intent and bringing it to its fullest expression.

Some people interpret the word "fulfill" in Matthew 5:17 as meaning that the commandments and the Law are ended or abolished, and this interpretation is often influenced by certain teachings of Paul, particularly where he speaks about the Law in relation to Christians under the New Covenant.

part 2 following this post

 

[LoveYeshua]

Ronald, here is PART 2;

Why Some People Think "Fulfill" Means the Law is Ended:​

The reason some people believe that the word "fulfill" implies the abolition of the Law is because they associate it with Paul’s teachings, which sometimes emphasize that believers are no longer under the Old Covenant laws. This interpretation stems from a belief that Jesus' coming fulfilled and thus ended the old system of the Law, especially in the areas of ceremonial and sacrificial laws. They may argue that, because Jesus fulfilled the Law, believers in Christ are no longer bound by the commandments in the same way.

Key Verses in Paul’s Letters That Contribute to This Interpretation:​

1. Romans 10:4 – "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
   • This verse is often cited to suggest that Christ’s work brought the Law to an end, especially in regard to seeking righteousness through the Law. Some interpret "the end of the law" to mean that the Law no longer applies in the same way, as Christ fulfills its demands for righteousness.
2. Galatians 3:23-25 – "Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
   • Paul here is saying that the Law acted as a "guardian" until Christ came. After Christ’s coming, believers are no longer under the Law in the same way because they are justified by faith. This suggests a transition from being under the Law to being under grace through faith, which some interpret as the Law being "ended" or no longer applicable in its previous form.
3. Ephesians 2:15 – "By abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace."
   • In this passage, Paul speaks about Christ abolishing the "law of commandments" (often understood as the ceremonial laws or the Law that divided Jews and Gentiles). Some interpret this to mean that Jesus' work effectively ended certain parts of the Law, especially those that distinguished Israel from the rest of the world.
4. Colossians 2:14 – "By canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross."
   • Paul here speaks of the "legal demands" being canceled at the cross. Many interpret this to mean that the legal requirements of the Law were nullified through Christ’s sacrifice. While some interpret this as referring to the ceremonial law, others extend it to the whole of the Law.

Why This Interpretation Is Disputed:​

• Matthew 5:17: Jesus’ statement that He did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it creates tension with the view that the Law is entirely ended. In this passage, "fulfill" is more about completing and bringing to fullness the purpose of the Law, rather than abolishing it. Many scholars and theologians argue that Jesus’ purpose was not to end the Law but to fulfill it by embodying its deeper meaning and bringing its ultimate purpose to light.
• The Continuation of Moral Law: While many Christians believe that ceremonial aspects of the Law (such as sacrifices, dietary laws, etc.) were fulfilled and no longer apply, the moral teachings (such as the Ten Commandments) are still seen as relevant. Jesus and Paul both emphasize moral behavior in a way that suggests the ethical standards of the Law still have importance for believers, even if the specific rituals and sacrifices are no longer required.
• New Covenant: The New Covenant, described in passages like Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-13, is seen as replacing the old system of sacrifices and ceremonial laws. However, this doesn't mean that the moral principles of the Law are abolished, but rather that the sacrificial system and its rituals are fulfilled in Christ.

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Some people interpret "fulfill" as meaning the end or abolition of the commandments because they are influenced by Paul’s writings, where he speaks about the Law no longer binding believers under the New Covenant. The verses in Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, and Colossians are key to understanding this view, as they suggest a shift away from the Old Covenant system of the Law. However, it's important to recognize that the full meaning of "fulfill" in Matthew 5:17 is more about completing and bringing the Law to its intended goal, rather than abolishing it completely. Many argue that Jesus’ fulfillment of the Law doesn't mean its end, but rather its completion and deeper realization through Him.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

"To put into effect": This could also be relevant since Jesus was the one who made the Law’s purpose and power effective in a way it hadn’t been fully seen before. However, it's a bit more abstract compared to the idea of completion and realization.

This cannot be relavent as the law went into effect way back on Mount Sinai with Moses!

Paul here is saying that the Law acted as a "guardian" until Christ came. After Christ’s coming, believers are no longer under the Law in the same way because they are justified by faith. This suggests a transition from being under the Law to being under grace through faith, which some interpret as the Law being "ended" or no longer applicable in its previous form.

Now you are adding words to Scripture that change the meaning of the Inspired writing to bend it to your opinion.

"To bring something to an end or to completion": This could apply if we focus on how Jesus brought the old system of the Law to its fulfillment, which involved completing its purpose (especially with regard to the sacrificial system). However, while He did bring an end to the sacrificial system, the Law itself was not "ended" but rather completed in Him.

And if its purpose was reached and completed, then I agree with your conclusion- it is no longer in effect for there is no longer a further p[urpose!

sians 2:14 – "By canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross."

• Paul here speaks of the "legal demands" being canceled at the cross. Many interpret this to mean that the legal requirements of the Law were nullified through Christ’s sacrifice. While some interpret this as referring to the ceremonial law, others extend it to the whole of the Law.

Once again you introduce a subtle change to what was written. Jesus removed the ordinances, not the record of debt, according to this verse. Elsewhere He speaks of cancelling our sin debt, but not here. And the division of the Mosaic Law in to moral, civil, and ceremonial portions is an arbitrary human contrivance. The Jews never partitioned off the 613 commands . It was all the Torah.

 

[GeneZ]

Now you are adding words to Scripture that change the meaning of the Inspired writing to bend it to your opinion.

How is that?

LoveYeshua said:
Paul here is saying that the Law acted as a "guardian" until Christ came. After Christ’s coming,
believers are no longer under the Law in the same way because they are justified by faith.
This suggests a transition from being under the Law to being under grace through faith,
which some interpret as the Law being "ended" or no longer applicable in its previous form.

Have you not read?

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"So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. Galatians 3:24-25​

That was not meant to be a put down.
But, as a correction.
So, you (and others) can be built you up in the Word, and in turn, become benefitted.

That does not mean we are not to learn anything from the Law pertaining to certain principles of God.
For, ALL SCRIPTURE is for our benefit. That includes the OT Law.
Just, no longer to be applied in the same way for the Church age.

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16-17​

grace and peace ................

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Actually, there is no "Neo"/"new" covenant.

Christ stated this in Matt 13:52 but we need to know the difference between the Greek Root words, "Neos" and "Kainos."

"Neos" meaning is "new" with respect to age.

"Kainos" meaning is refreshed, i.e. like new again.

In other words, we have a "refreshed salvation covenant" since it was modified on the Cross, but which has been available from the time of Adam where the process of being redeemed was through the blood of sacrificed animals. Now we are redeemed through the Blood of Christ who died on the cross for all of our collective sins.

Shalom

All good but the part about, all of our collective sins. that part is of Satan ?

Christ Jesus came so one could have Life in abundance ! Free form the domination power of Sin !

To you, Satan has then been Saved ? and has no power over anyone now ?

One has to be born again to be Saved !

When the first Christians who were Jews became born again, the rest of the Jews were not born again, so they are Lost ! to this world and are on the wrong path in fact, that leads to Hell.
So they are of this world that is full of deceptions and delusions in fact, so how can such be saved from their collective Sins ?

Jesus never Saved anyone that he never knew ! because they never knew him in fact !
Moses and the OT Saints were taken up by Jesus because they were on the right track ! they layed down the workings of God, for the comming of Christ Jesus.

 

[GeneZ]

Que?

Loco en cabeza mucho!

 

[Jay Ross]

All good but the part about, all of our collective sins. that part is of Satan ?

Christ Jesus came so one could have Life in abundance ! Free form the domination power of Sin !

To you, Satan has then been Saved ? and has no power over anyone now ?

One has to be born again to be Saved !

When the first Christians who were Jews became born again, the rest of the Jews were not born again, so they are Lost ! to this world and are on the wrong path in fact, that leads to Hell.
So they are of this world that is full of deceptions and delusions in fact, so how can such be saved from their collective Sins ?

Jesus never Saved anyone that he never knew ! because they never knew him in fact !
Moses and the OT Saints were taken up by Jesus because they were on the right track ! they laid down the workings of God, for the coming of Christ Jesus.

Ah Reggie, I see, if I am not mistaken, that you have come back up north again and have become lost in your own misunderstanding of what other posters have written.

Can I ask you what would be your primary sin, that you would need to repent of if you committed it?

I think you committed it in your rebuttal of what I had posted.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Ah Reggie, I see, if I am not mistaken, that you have come back up north again and have become lost in your own misunderstanding of what other posters have written.

Can I ask you what would be your primary sin, that you would need to repent of if you committed it?

I think you committed it in your rebuttal of what I had posted.

Devil you !

Yes the OT is the Blueprint their of but they lacked Salvation ! That's the Key !
Nothing have been tossed away regarding the word's of God in fact ! for it is written.

At the 3 testment ? is the words in the NT going to fall into disrepute ? Haha, I say 3rd because I heard Our ex QLD Premier say just that in fact at her old school when reciving an award and making a speach, that I was at.
Now If one believes in a 3rd ? clearly they are an outright Idiot !

Was their a 2ed ? No ! it's called the New and the Old ? but as I put forward, it is the Same issue. only it has changed come to being in fact ! no more to add ever !

Sin is not abiding in Christ Jesus !
If you say on Christ that means one is not Saved !

The Blueprint has been added to, fulfiled ! finished !

One does not return to ones own vomit. for one is truly changed. and yes their is Carnal Sin and Sin.
The point of Carnal Sin is one is Lost ! for they do not have a handle to deal with Sin ?
Now one who is Saved, for such can deal with the workings of sins ? for one knows what it is, remember Jesus was talking to the Devil himself and look what Jesus had said to the Devil, it's True ! be gone ! the Devil she had no come back, for she was exposed !

The Devil has no power over They who are in Christ Jesus ! for they understand what the Tich truly only is.

Are We are Servants of God, Israel in fact ! or of this world ?

When I hear Sin being claimed as you put, I think of the child molester, so called Priest that think they are covered ! but they never were Saved, for they are clearly of this world ! because child molestation is clearly a grave Sin !
Or lets say in regards I made my mums cup of Tea with not enough sugar and getting my ears in the machine regarding 2 lumps and not 3, but I only used a smaller tea spoon with 3 lumps.