"Is excessive interpretation the root cause of differences in understanding and doctrinal divisions in the Bible?"

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You're asking in an online forum if excessive interpretation can lead to division?
I think I know what you mean, But debate is allowed.

What I just want to express is that the proposal of a viewpoint should be supported by reasonable biblical scriptures.

There is also need for a mind that simply obeys the exact words of the Bible scriptures as a child.

So it seems to me that most of the differences come from over-interpreting the original words of the Bible text,

People usually pick one up and throw one away like monkeys carrying corn.

Everyone should have a basic and simple overall concept of acknowledging the original text in the Bible.

The Gospel of Luke
21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
 

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Rejecting the literal is the biggest problem. Many just don't like what God said!
Yes, like the literal 1000 years.

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison.
 

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Another commentary..

(Rev. 20:4-5) Does the “first resurrection” refer to spiritual regeneration or bodily resurrection?​

Why is this called the “first resurrection” if there is only one. The first world war is named the first world war, because there is a second world war.

CLAIM: John writes,

(Rev. 20:4-5) Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

Postmillennial Kenneth Gentry writes,

According to John the ‘first resurrection’ secures the participation of the saints (both dead and living) in the rule of Christ (Rev. 20:4-6). This refers to the spiritual resurrection of those born again by God’s grace.”[1]
 

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That brings up the question of determining whether a literal or a metaphorical hermeneutic is appropriate for interpreting dreams, visions, and parables. Metaphor is definitely more susceptible to interpretive variability, and yet is probably the more appropriate hermeneutic. There's also the issue of whether metaphorical language may have more than one "correct" interpretation on different levels.
 
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Brother I'm sorry but I'm not sure if I'm understanding your point. I don't believe that means they were exonerated....even if God wasn't imputing their personal sins to them before the Law (if that is the right way to understand that verse), the rest of the passage indicates they were still under condemnation by inheritance....because of Adam's sin.
Romans 5:12-14 KJV
12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

It's pretty simple. Before God tells a man to do and not do, though the man doesn't do what he ought, and does do what he ought not, God doesn't count it against him because God hadn't yet told him so.

The man still dies, because sin brings death, so they died. But wihout the imputation of sin against them.

Now, is all we need to be forgiven of sin and we can live with God? No. God doesn't have dead men in His kingdom, and so we must be born again.

So when you consider Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison, who were disobedient in the days of Noah, perhaps it was to announce Christ's victory, and to let them know He's rescued them all, and they can be alive again and live with Him.

This isn't me. This is the passage. I'm just telling you what it says. Before the Law, sin was not imputed. And it may not have been imputed to others who had no law. I can't say how far this extends.

This is one of the best chapters of the Bible to study as deeply as one can. Romans 4-8. These are key chapters to know through and through, inside and out.

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I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

So then you admit that Jesus lied in John 10:10?

John 10:10 - The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

Those that claim God actually created evil are claiming that satan is God. They are deceived and don't know it having not accepted the whole counsel of God.

If you accepted the whole counsel of God you would know that lucifer perverted righteousness by choosing to be in opposition to God.... anybody that thinks God created evil does not know the Lord or His Word.

James 1:13 - Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

1 John 1:5 - This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Ezekiel 28:15 (speaking of lucifer) - Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

God created lucifer perfect... until lucifer decided to be in opposition to God:

Isaiah 14:13 (speaking of lucifer) - For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:


Does Jesus have no authority or power over what goes into the koran or did He?

Those who have the Holy Spirit know Jesus has nothing to do with demonic doctrines taught by demonic religious organizations

You should get to know the Lord and cease creating strife between yourself and the Lord by accusing Him of being evil
 
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So then you admit that Jesus lied in John 10:10?

John 10:10 - The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

Those that claim God actually created evil are claiming that satan is God. They are deceived and don't know it having not accepted the whole counsel of God.

If you accepted the whole counsel of God you would know that lucifer perverted righteousness by choosing to be in opposition to God.... anybody that thinks God created evil does not know the Lord or His Word.

James 1:13 - Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

1 John 1:5 - This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Ezekiel 28:15 (speaking of lucifer) - Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

God created lucifer perfect... until lucifer decided to be in opposition to God:

Isaiah 14:13 (speaking of lucifer) - For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:




Those who have the Holy Spirit know Jesus has nothing to do with demonic doctrines taught by demonic religious organizations

You should get to know the Lord and cease creating strife between yourself and the Lord by accusing Him of being evil
John 10:10 tells us of God's intentions for Jesus in his first coming. He was sent to save the world. Don't expect a lamb at the second coming, but a lion.

Other points appear to be valid at first glance.

I would add that God did not create evil, it is better translated as calamity. God always brings calmanity for a good reason.
 
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I would add that God did not create evil, it is better translated as calamity. God always brings calmanity for a good reason.

But, calamity never would have existed if lucifer had not done what he did
And God crated lucifer perfect, but later iniquity was found in him.

God did not put iniquity in to lucifer and as a result of lucifer's rebellion darkness and death came which is separation from God due to being in opposition to God.

We see in Galatians 6 what God built His entire Kingdom on and that is sowing and reaping, aka seedtime and harvesting.

Any being sow sows in opposition to the Lord reaps corruption which is separation from Him.

In the end seedtime and harvest is quite ingenious because it rewards to sower according to their actions which in the end will cause all that are opposed to the Lord to be incarcerated and not found in God's Kingdom.
 
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Yes, like the literal 1000 years.

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison.
Quoting YOU: "ALL humans have sinned against God and all are going to hell forever and ever.
 

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So then you admit that Jesus lied in John 10:10?

John 10:10 - The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
Satan has been sent to earth to among other things, to steal, kill and destroy.
Those that claim God actually created evil are claiming that satan is God. They are deceived and don't know it having not accepted the whole counsel of God.
Not at all. Satan is a created being, created for certain purposes.

God is the Creator of all things, including the Devil.
If you accepted the whole counsel of God you would know that lucifer perverted righteousness by choosing to be in opposition to God.... anybody that thinks God created evil does not know the Lord or His Word.
Thus saith the Lord to his anointed....I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
James 1:13 - Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Correct. God doesn't do it directly, He has others do the tempting for Him.
1 John 1:5 - This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
He created darkness outside of Himself. He Himself is not darkness.

Thus saith the Lord to his anointed....I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Ezekiel 28:15 (speaking of lucifer) - Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

God created lucifer perfect... until lucifer decided to be in opposition to God:

Isaiah 14:13 (speaking of lucifer) - For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Yes God created Satan to carry out a number of roles according to His eternal purpose.
Those who have the Holy Spirit know Jesus has nothing to do with demonic doctrines taught by demonic religious organizations
What Jesus does is up to His Father. Who He engages with, where He goes is up to His Father. For Him to go to hell or heaven, on planet earth wherever, is up to God.
You should get to know the Lord and cease creating strife between yourself and the Lord by accusing Him of being evil
I was just quoting the bible most people in this forum have as their canon, standard by which they live their lives and forming what they believe.
 
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Romans 5:12-14 KJV
12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

It's pretty simple. Before God tells a man to do and not do, though the man doesn't do what he ought, and does do what he ought not, God doesn't count it against him because God hadn't yet told him so.

The man still dies, because sin brings death, so they died. But wihout the imputation of sin against them.

Now, is all we need to be forgiven of sin and we can live with God? No. God doesn't have dead men in His kingdom, and so we must be born again.

So when you consider Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison, who were disobedient in the days of Noah, perhaps it was to announce Christ's victory, and to let them know He's rescued them all, and they can be alive again and live with Him.

This isn't me. This is the passage. I'm just telling you what it says. Before the Law, sin was not imputed. And it may not have been imputed to others who had no law. I can't say how far this extends.

This is one of the best chapters of the Bible to study as deeply as one can. Romans 4-8. These are key chapters to know through and through, inside and out.

Much love!

Satan has been sent to earth to among other things, to steal, kill and destroy.

Not at all. Satan is a created being, created for certain purposes.

God is the Creator of all things, including the Devil.

Thus saith the Lord to his anointed....I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Correct. God doesn't do it directly, He has others do the tempting for Him.

He created darkness outside of Himself. He Himself is not darkness.

Thus saith the Lord to his anointed....I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Yes God created Satan to carry out a number of roles according to His eternal purpose.

What Jesus does is up to His Father. Who He engages with, where He goes is up to His Father. For Him to go to hell or heaven, on planet earth wherever, is up to God.

I was just quoting the bible most people in this forum have as their canon, standard by which they live their lives and forming what they believe.
God's sovereignty and foreknowledge is not an easy thing to grasp, and we may only be understanding in part. But He is ruling and reigning just as much in the things He actively does as in the things He passively allows. He has power over everything, the good and the evil, and that is why He is worthy of our trust at all times, and can pray and appeal to Him for His help and strength when we are facing evil circumstances.
 

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God's sovereignty and foreknowledge is not an easy thing to grasp, and we may only be understanding in part. But He is ruling and reigning just as much in the things He actively does as in the things He passively allows. He has power over everything, the good and the evil, and that is why He is worthy of our trust at all times, and can pray and appeal to Him for His help and strength when we are facing evil circumstances.
Yes, it is hard to understand our Creators. How He can be good (there is none good but God alone) yet actively create evil and do evil (flood the earth killing millions of people)
 

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Yes, it is hard to understand our Creators. How He can be good (there is none good but God alone) yet actively create evil and do evil (flood the earth killing millions of people)
Hear o Israel, the Lord is ONE. There is one God.

I believe what He did was to allow the flood to happen. He could have prevented it, and/or He could have protected whoever He wanted to, but if people choose to live and walk outside of His blessing and help, He doesn't generally force it on them and sadly they reap the consequences of what they themselves have sown. Bible says the earth moans and groans under the weight of sin....sin affects the natural realm. Have a hunch that most of us have no idea the razor's edge we are living on daily, but are being kept by the Lord, if and when we are.
 

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Yes, it is hard to understand our Creators. How He can be good (there is none good but God alone) yet actively create evil and do evil (flood the earth killing millions of people)
The Bible says that it was because God regretted creating man at that time, but out of His mercy, He left Noah's family. It's as simple as that.

Perhaps at that time, people all ridiculed Noah for building the Noah's Ark, because Noah obeyed God's words and thus gained life, while the rest did not follow the command.

Who really Knows? Jesus will come again as the time of Noah...... People mock Jesus Christ. People mock the Word of God.
 

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Who now carry on a pioneering work to reestablish what has been lost due to unbelief.

The person who has written more Threads that discount the bible, and abuse it.........is worrying about re-establishing miracles in the Church, who is the same one that believes that everyone is already saved, or will be..........even if they are not born again. ???

Have you thought about being a secular comedian, ??? as you have a knack for religious comedy. @St. SteVen .