Born again - Before, or After, the Call?
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I don't know that I have any requirement or desire to understand you. With respect to that beyond the physical world, I have only what I can read in the Bible, unlike you apparently.
If ONLY that was true.
When you add words and concepts to what is written that's not sticking to scripture.
When you completely disregard the three main characters thoughts to create a scene out of whole cloth that is not what they intended to be read....that's YOUR bible you have written instead if the blessing God gave us.
Kinda like sitting in a brand new Porche and listening to the radio....and you never understand that the purpose of the thing is to travel....not just have a comfortable place to listen to the stereo.
You need to climb off of that High Horse you are riding and get down to earth. You made some completely unsupported claim in your reply #67 that "Born from Above" was one used to classify certain heroes of Israel's history. From there you posted reply after reply and all without any scriptural support.
So your complaint about adding words and concepts to what is written is a farce. It would seem that you are sitting in an old Chevy truck listening to a radio that is not even working.
Ignoring what I've written is why you are having lots of issues and expressing anger.
Get ahold of yourself.
And when you can speak rationally and do some of your own due diligence on the subject matter then we can have a conversation. I originally had hope of a conversation....you seemed to be intelligent enough....but now that I have perused your other "conversations" (using a lot of grace to call them that) with others....I admit my mistake in my earlier belief.
Why would I give any real thought to what you've written when not a single thing has been supported with scripture? It is all just a figment of your imagination.
You can prove me wrong by listing the replies with any scriptural references in support of your posts.
I went back over your last 20+ postings and there is not a single reference quoted in support of any of your claims. And you want me to believe that you have any knowledge whatsoever worth paying attention to?
JohnDB, you can express all the sadness you want, but unless you are willing to support your views with actual scriptural references, no one should pay very much attention to what you think.
I have explained quite clearly using scriptures and more....scripture primarily as well as anthropology, Topography, meteriology, and history.
Scriptures were written in a very compact manner leaving out these things because (in this instance) they were considered to be "obvious information" 2,000 years ago and a waste of paper and ink. Today they are not obvious facts but are necessary components to fully understand the scriptures.
For example today most people cannot point to the abortionist in scriptures. Or point on an unlabeled map of Jerusalem the valley of Hinnom or anything much. They might get lucky and point to the Tenple mount....
Or that David's cutting of Saul's robe describes a very distinct oasis in the Judean wilderness at En Ghedi. It's still there today.
Nope....they can't do that either. And as you have demonstrated they read extra things into scriptures or skip over valuable information that scriptures provide.
It's God's Word to us so that we may know Him....as people go, we ain't doing well. (Never really have)
What exactly, precisely was said?
The Author was extremely, overly efficient in what was written but wanted to convey a particular concept to people of his day and time....what was it?
You think the rest of us need to look to you to see what the author left out in his overly efficient presentation???
That is pretty funny when you think about it for a second or two.
"Man chooses that which is according to his nature,
and therefore before he will ever choose or prefer that
which is divine and spiritual, a new nature must be imparted to him;
in other words, he must be born again.
Let me appeal to the actual experience of the reader of these lines.
Was there not a time when you were unwilling to come to Christ?
There was. Since then you have come to Him.
Are you now prepared to give Him all the glory for that (Ps 115:1)?
Do you not acknowledge that you came to Christ because the Holy Spirit
brought you from unwillingness to willingness?" - J. Preston Eby
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and therefore before he will ever choose or prefer that
which is divine and spiritual, a new nature must be imparted to him;
in other words, he must be born again.
Let me appeal to the actual experience of the reader of these lines.
Was there not a time when you were unwilling to come to Christ?
There was. Since then you have come to Him.
Are you now prepared to give Him all the glory for that (Ps 115:1)?
Do you not acknowledge that you came to Christ because the Holy Spirit
brought you from unwillingness to willingness?" - J. Preston Eby
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Behold
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The Cross of Christ......... is a Lighthouse that God has provided into this Dark World.
This Light, who is Jesus, = who is "the Light of the World" is always piercing the darkness so that all who will believe may enter This Light, and become a "Child OF the Light".... born again.
This Light, who is Jesus, = who is "the Light of the World" is always piercing the darkness so that all who will believe may enter This Light, and become a "Child OF the Light".... born again.
Behold
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Faith Filled Christians have a different View then yours.
See, we read that God cause a rebellious Prophet who didnt want to go to Ninevah, to go and preach.
We understand that The Son of God, walked on Water.
We understand that God caused creation, to begin.
We understand that the reason your heart is still beating, is because God is allowing you to keep breathing.
So, we understand......"is anything to difficult for God?..........and the answer is "No".
This means that God will get the message of eternal redemption to the lost, worldwide and universe deep, even into the darkest Rain Forests and also into Countries that do not allow Bibles or Christians.
See, The Cross of Christ is always calling everyone to "come and receive from God". = "The Gift of Salvation".
You have the order wrong. Once you are repentant believer, then the Holy Spirit will regenerate you. You have to want that "new nature".
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St. SteVen said:
What is your definition of repentance? (process or one-time event?)
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What is your definition of repentance? (process or one-time event?)
Does spiritual rebirth come before or after repentance?
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