"Is excessive interpretation the root cause of differences in understanding and doctrinal divisions in the Bible?"

[Behold]

Are you ok...how can a verse of scripture testify with our spirit that it’s Born Again...

What im trying to get you to see........is that when you say that you are led of the Spirit to know that you belong to God..

This is a verse in the NT that says the same thing......so, you are quoting a verse in the NT, when you say that you are led by the Spirit, or that you know you belong to God, because the Spirit tells you, or "confirmes" this with your spirit.

That's what in trying to help you see...

 

[soberxp]

Out of interest, who told you this? If from the bible, can you quote it for us. Thanks

Isn't that the obvious thing? God said not to eat from the tree of good and evil. All the acts of Jesus Christ were in accordance with God's word. Jesus Christ never distinguished between good and evil about human beings.But to face everyone with the love of God, to face the scribes and Pharisees with the word of God. Even though Jesus Christ was crucified, he is still begging his father to forgive them. How many people in this world can achieve such patience and love?

 

[Behold]

You seem to forget that I was Born Again with no Bible in sight..

Yet its the bible that explains being born again.

 

[soberxp]

I can't find your words, unity in the essentials in the above quotes

Head is the word. I don't have my head but the head of Jesus Christ.

 

[Behold]

Your testimony is your testimony..my testimony is my testimony and it will NEVER be denied because it doesn’t fit in with your testimony..

I never use my Testamony to show you that your hyper calvinism, is not aligned with Truth.

What i discuss with you, is this hyper-calvinism, demonic concept that you like to tell everyone, as much as you can... which is, that you never had any faith in Christ, and God cause you to be born again without it.
And that is a hypercalvinism lie., as that can't happen.

 

[One 2 question]

U

Well, i could post a photo of the actual page, Taken out of both Versions, so that you can see that these literal bibles ....... neither say....>"To be tempted". in Luke 4.

But, even seeing the page in the actual bibles, is not going to help you, at this point.

However, for the people who want to know, then they can do a 30 second research, and discover for themselves that Bible Versions, including the KJV< do not state "To Be Tempted" in Luke 4:2.

Jesus's encouraged His first disciples to pray, Our Father in heaven.... lead us not into temptation. Maybe you should also. As He may do that with you as He did with Jesus.

 

[Ritajanice]

What im trying to get you to see........is that when you say that you are led of the Spirit to know that you belong to God..

This is a verse in the NT that says the same thing......so, you are quoting a verse in the NT, when you say that you are led by the Spirit, or that you know you belong to God, because the Spirit tells you, or "confirmes" this with your spirit.

That's what in trying to help you see...

You have completely twisted my words.

I never said that I am led Of The Spirit to know that I belong to God....those are your words...now, you go back and read my posts and show me where I said that ?

Do you actually read posts?

 

[Ritajanice]

I never use my Testamony to show you that your hyper calvinism, is not aligned with Truth.

My testimony comes from the Living testimony , the Spirit who indwells my spirit....then show us where my Living testimony isn’t aligned with Gods Bible who confirms the truth of the Spirit?

What i discuss with you, is this hyper-calvinism, demonic concept that you like to tell everyone, as much as you can... which is, that you never had any faith in Christ, and God cause you to be born again without it.
And that is a hypercalvinism lie., as that can't happen.

Unfortunately..you can’t post scripture to prove my hyper Calvinisim that you accuse me of.

You don’t understand.,because you have never been able to explain who Gods Living testimony is plus all you do is counteract all of my posts, and can’t explain or even understand them...you just go off on your usual barrage of insults...

You just call everyone a liar ,demon possessed and a Calvinis....that’s all you can do...you have no scripture to back up your claims...sigh...just a barrage of abuse...

 

[Behold]

I think in 1551, a Parisian printer named Robert Stephanus published a Greek and Latin edition of the New Testament in which each chapter was divided into separate verses. These are the verse divisions still in use today. They first appeared in an English translation in the 1560 Geneva Version".

English bibles use english grammer principles, and that has to be understood, or it can cause a student of the bible to read a verse in a way that its not meant to be understood.

Here is how that works.

Sometimes an English Translation, has a "comma"... used to divide one verse from the next......and sometimes that causes a person to read both verses as if they are tied together as one thought, or a one doctrine......when they are not.

Reader..
Let me give you a prime example of how a COMMA can create a theology that isn't there.

1 John.... """"""But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another,

COMMA, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<

, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."""""


Now see that?
That comma, means.....Here is the next thought...........but most read this verse to mean........."the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin".......IF... "we walk in the light"

See that?

The verse is not teaching that the blood cleanses us from all sin, IF we "walk in the light"

The verse "cleanses us from all sin"....is the next THOUGHT.........and that comma, can seem to be making it all one thought.

See that?
You have to be careful, with that NT...........you have to be taught some things about how to read verses correctly, or that NT will tie your head into a knot..

 

[Ritajanice]

Yet its the bible that explains being born again.

Oh my word....the Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit..it can’t testify with our spirit inside of us that it’s Born Again...

Only the Living Spirit can birth our spirit = Spirit gives birth to spirit?

 

[Behold]

You have completely twisted my words.

I never said that I am led led Of The Spirit to know that I belong to God...

Here is your quote..

@Ritajanice said.

""""Bible verses didn’t testify with my spirit that I am Gods child...only the Living Spirit can do that."""""


So, what i told you now for the 3rd time........is that its a Bible VERSE that says that God's Spirit testifies that you are God's Child".

 

[Ritajanice]

Here is your quote..

@Ritajanice said.

""""Bible verses didn’t testify with my spirit that I am Gods child...only the Living Spirit can do that."""""

Correct...do you know God in your spirit?....who testifies with our spirit that it’s Born Again, the Bible or the Living Spirit Of God.... @Behold ?


So,I ask you again..where did I say this ,that you said I said @Behold ?

Behold said I said.....is that when you say that you are led of the Spirit to know that you belong to God...

RJ says,Like I’ve explained the natural man would have no understanding of the above...

So, what i told you now for the 3rd time........is that its a Bible VERSE that says that God's Spirit testifies that you are God's Child".

The Bible verses confirms how the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

My spirit knows that it’s Born Again by the testimony of the Living Spirit....how would I know when Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Do you actually understand the Living supernatural spiritual rebirth....personally I don’t think that you do..

We are Born Again by the Spirit like the wind...you never know the time ,day or where...Spirit gives birth to spirit....

The natural man would have no understanding of my post.

 

[Behold]

Unfortunately..you can’t post scripture to prove my hyper Calvinisim that you accuse me of.

There is no NT verse that says that : YOU are caused to be born again, so that after you are, you'll be given faith to believe.

That's my point.

See, demonic hyper calvinism........teaches that you are "too depraved to have faith, or Free will... so, God has to cause you to be born again, FIRST< so that you can then have faith in Christ"

And that is a Satanic Lie..........as the fact is......God requires OUR FAITH in CHRIST........to be given to Him 1st , so that our "Faith is counted by God"........and then God will forgive your sin, and cause you to be born of the Spirit.

You and BrightFrame and all hyper calvinists, are teaching that you are "born again in Sin, not forgiven yet.. to then have Faith to believe in Jesus".

So, if you try to then say..>>"well, i was forgiven when God gave me the new Birth, even tho i didnt trust in Christ yet, as i had no faith yet to believe". = then you are just proving not just how crazy this is to believe, but just how spellbound you are, trapped inside hyper calvinism Theology.

Paul teaches this as....>"who (what man) has BEWITCHED you, so that you No LONGER obey the truth".

To "obey the truth" is to believe it..

 

[Behold]

Correct...do you know God in your spirit?....who testifies with our spirit that it’s Born Again, the Bible or the Living Spirit Of God.... @Behold ?

Yes, just like the NT verse says.......that "the Spirt of God testifies with our (born again) Spirit" that we are a child of God."
This is why we say "ABBA" (Father God).

 

[Ritajanice]

There is no NT verse that says that : YOU are caused to be born again, so that after you are, you'll be given faith to believe.

That's my point.

See, demonic hyper calvinism........teaches that you are "too depraved to have faith, or Free will... so, God has to cause you to be born again, FIRST< so that you can then have faith in Christ"

And that is a Satanic Lie..........as the fact is......God requires OUR FAITH in CHRIST........to be given to Him 1st , so that our "Faith is counted by God"........and then God will forgive your sin, and cause you to be born of the Spirit.

You and BrightFrame and all hyper calvinists, are teaching that you are "born again in Sin, not forgiven yet.. to then have Faith to believe in Jesus".

So, if you try to then say..>>"well, i was forgiven when God gave me the new Birth, even tho i didnt trust in Christ yet, as i had no faith yet to believe". = then you are just proving not just how crazy this is to believe, but just how spellbound you are, trapped inside hyper calvinism Theology.

Paul teaches this as....>"who (what man) has BEWITCHED you, so that you No LONGER obey the truth".

To "obey the truth" is to believe it..

Your post is your post..you counteract all of my questions addressed to you...imo you have no understanding of who Gods Living testimony is...

You believe all that you believe from your own testimony....I see no testimony of the Living Spirit coming out of your mouth.

Just your own words ,that imo are full of utter confusion...you even said on another topic, that a Born Again doesn’t know in their mind that they are Born Again.....absolute nonsense..you imo...are led through the word, from your own understanding/ interpretation of scripture....which imo, is a complete mess.

Praise God for discernment is all I can say and when you are challenged..you evade all questions and do the usual..throw a load of abuse....to try and counteract all that is being said...as you only want to preach “ your truth” sigh.

 

[Behold]

Oh my word....the Bible confirms how we are Born Of The Spirit..it can’t testify with our spirit inside of us that it’s Born Again...

If you've never had a bible verse come alive through the Spirit of God when you are meditating on it, then that explains why you are so confused about the words in A Bible.
St Steven has the same issue because He has no respect for the Bible......and that is what i hear in your speech also, and attitude toward the word of God, according to your posts.

Listen, most of the members here, can "testify" that they have been reading the words in a Bible, and it was if the Bible was speaking to them....suddenly .showing them something they'd never seen before in the verse. .Sometimes even giving them an answer to a prayer or concern they had..
This is God speaking to the born again believer's inner man, using His word., the Bible.
This is supernatural and spiritual.......its both.

See, the words in the bible are "Spirit and TRUTH".........and so, The Holy Spirit ENLIGHTENS our "spiritual eyes" with revelation that is found INSIDE the Verses in The Holy Bible.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, just like the NT verse says.......that "the Spirt of God testifies with our (born again) Spirit" that we are a child of God."
This is why we say "ABBA" (Father God).

No....the word of God says that the Spirit testifies with our spirit.

It doesn’t say that it testifies with our Born Again spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

If you've never had a bible verse come alive through the Spirit of God when you are meditating on it, then that explains why you are so confused about the words in A Bible.

My spirit isn’t confused...your spirit is confused.

St Steven has the same issue because He has no respect for the Bible......and that is what i hear in your speech also, and attitude toward the word of God, according to your posts.

Please don’t start throwing your accusations around that I am not a respector Of the word.

I could also throw around that you don’t respect the testimony of the Living Spirit...because you seem to be having a hard job, understanding who he is?....and dismissive of him as though he’s some alien?

Listen, most of the members here, can "testify" that they have been reading the words in a Bible, and it was if the Bible was speaking to them....suddenly .showing them something they'd never seen before in the verse. .Sometimes even giving them an answer to a prayer or concern they had..
This is God speaking to the born again believer's inner man, using His word., the Bible.
This is supernatural and spiritual.......its both.

That’s how you communicate with God.

I communicate with God via his heart/ spirit, because my spirit has been birthed....then what I hear I check with the word....a Born Again communicates with God via their spirit....the Spirit leads us through the word and brings it to our understanding?

See, the words in the bible are "Spirit and TRUTH".........and so, The Holy Spirit ENLIGHTENS our "spiritual eyes"

My spiritual eyes and ears, were gifted to me the moment my spirit became Born Again...the Living Spirit helps me develop my eyes to see and ears to hear....not the Bible....discernment also comes from the Living God....that too matures as we grow in Christ...

with revelation that is found INSIDE the Verses in The Holy Bible.

The words in the Bible confirms who the Spirit of truth is....Gods Living testimony the Living Holy Spirit, who has taken up residence in our spirit, when= Spirit gives birth to spirit.

The Bible testifies Of who God is....a Living Mighty Spirit.....The Spirit Of God is Alive and Active....the Bible is NOT the Living God....the Bible confirms who the Spirit of God is...

 

[Behold]

U

Jesus's encouraged His first disciples to pray, Our Father in heaven.... lead us not into temptation. Maybe you should also.

There is a difference between a Jewish Disciple found in Matt 6, who is being told that prayer.........vs, a born Again Christian, who is a Son/Daugher of God.

No Jew who was told about what is referred to as "the Lord's Prayer" was born again as a Christian, at that time, as there were no Christians, at that time.

Jesus says to the JEWS that if you "keep my words you are my disciple indeed".... ,

whereas..

"all who call on the name of the Lord".......now that The Cross has delivered unto usod's offer of Salvation... shall become a SON/Daughter of God. = BORN Again.

You can be a diciple and go to Hell........whereas a CHRISTian cannot.

 

[Behold]

.the Bible is NOT the Living God...

No one that i know in the minstry, or the anointed teachers who taught me.., or any Christian living or dead.......that i know of.. in all of Church History.......has ever said or taught that "The bible is the living God".

You are very confused.