The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Ronald Nolette]

The verses you mentioned seem to point that Paul said the commandments are no more, no longer necessary, am I correct? the O.P. was about the Covenant being the Ten Commandments

please confirm

The ten are now moot and no longer in effect. the Law of christ is what is now in effect, not the Law of Moses which is the law of sin and death.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Thanks for taking the time to post the verses.

I don't see anything there that contradicts the idea that the 10 commandments WERE the terms of the Old Covenant.

I also don't think the idea of this topic is to retain the Old Covenant. I think the idea here is to say that those 10 commandments figure into the New Covenant, but in a different way than they did in the Old. The "Law written on the Heart" rather than the "Law written on tablets of Stone."

Thoughts?

Well yes the ten commandments , along with the other 603 commands given to Moses were the basis for the Old Covenant. If you had prefaced the term covenant with "OLD" I would have agree 100% with you. The way you wrote implied they were the foundation of the New.

 

[Wick Stick]

The way you wrote implied they were the foundation of the New.

I think you're talking about the original post, which isn't mine but... I do agree with it.

The 10 commandments are part of the foundation of the New Covenant, as proclaimed in Jeremiah 31:

But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

the ten commands are called by Paul the minister of death engravened in stone.

miss one command, your guilty of all.

the ne3 covenant is based on the law of love

 

[AngelicArcher]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."​

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"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)​

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.​

But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."​

This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that the ten commandments that are the covenant instead of being written on stone tablets, would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.

Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:

"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"​

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This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:

"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”​

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments being described clearly as the Covenant were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.

Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law, the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are.

Blessings

And to think, there are Christians who will insist the ten commandments do not pertain to nor apply to Christians.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And to think, there are Christians who will insist the ten commandments do not pertain to nor apply to Christians.

They were given to expose us as sinners. Not teach us how to live..

 

[AngelicArcher]

They were given to expose us as sinners. Not teach us how to live..

Really? Defend your reasoning please.

 

[AngelicArcher]

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults and training in right living; 17 thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work.

 

[bro.tan]

Let's dive in a little more about the new covenant, because when you read about the law having a shadow of good things to come, and the law that was our school master to bring us unto Christ, it was not referring to God’s holy commandments but the animal sacrifice law. Also we have to understand that the levites are out of office so all those laws that were for the levites to do for the people are nail to the cross, alone with the animal Sacrificial laws.

But in Daniel the prophet foretold the doing away of this law. (Dan 9:26-27) And after threescore and two weeks shall Mes-si’-ah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Now we know that Jesus is the Mes-si’-ah, and cut off means to be killed, and Jesus didn’t die for himself, but for the sins of the people. (v.27) “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.” When Jesus died on the cross he caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease. This signified the end of the law of animal sacrifice, not Gods Royal law.

Paul explained this in; (Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

(v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) and having an high priest over the house of God; (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Really? Defend your reasoning please.

The law says do not commit adultry. But I tell you. If you look at a woman with lust…

The law just exposes out sin. Without it I am ok, when it is there. I am seen as a sinner in need of christ.’

as paul said, The law was a schoolmaster to lead us to christ. After it has done it job, I am no longer in need of a schoolmaster.

Jesus said be ye perfect as your father in heaven is effect. The law exposes you have failed. So if anything, when you look to the law you should be sickened as to how sinful you are. No pumping your chest like the pharisees thinking how good you are

 

[Eternally Grateful]

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults and training in right living; 17 thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work.

yep. the law had its purpose.

Now follow the law of Christ

 

[Fred J]

Romans 7:
5. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the Law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6. But now we are delivered from the Law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

May i say therefore, all that is in the Law the Ten Commandments is the basis.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[shepherdsword]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."​

​

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)​

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.​

But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."​

This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that the ten commandments that are the covenant instead of being written on stone tablets, would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.

Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:

"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"​

​

This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:

"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”​

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments being described clearly as the Covenant were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.

Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law, the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are.

Blessings

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

 

[LoveYeshua]

The ten are now moot and no longer in effect. the Law of christ is what is now in effect, not the Law of Moses which is the law of sin and death.

Ronald, Jesus was teaching the commandments, they are certainly not obsolete and asked the remaining 11 to teach ALL he sais and done, they did the same. Jesus said; "If you love me, Keep My Commandments" !!!

You contradict scripture, the 10 are eternal and will never pass away.

Why are you so against the commandments of God? Who or what church has lead you away from the word of God?

 

[Wrangler]

Why restrict the Law to 10 commandments? There are 613.

Only 10 were inscribed in stone by the Creator himself. This is why the focus is on these 10. It's what sets them apart.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@Ronald Nolette @shepherdsword @Eternally Grateful

Some words of Jesus about the commandments;

Matthew 5:17-19​

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

Matthew 19:17​

“And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Matthew 19:18-19​

“He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

4. Mark 10:19​

“Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.”

5. Luke 18:20​

“Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.”

6. John 14:15​

“If ye love me, keep my commandments.”

7. John 14:21​

“He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

8. John 15:10​

“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.”

Jesus was CLEARLY teaching the ten Commandments and asked us to Keep them, He also warned us about Not listening to Him;

Luk 6:46 Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ but not do what I say?
Luk 6:47 I will show you what he is like who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them:
Luk 6:48 He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid his foundation on the rock. When the flood came, the torrent crashed against that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
Luk 6:49 But the one who hears My words and does not act on them is like a man who built his house on ground without a foundation. The torrent crashed against that house, and immediately it fell—and great was its destruction!”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Ronald Nolette @shepherdsword @Eternally Grateful

Some words of Jesus about the commandments;

Matthew 5:17-19​

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

Matthew 19:17​

“And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Matthew 19:18-19​

“He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

4. Mark 10:19​

“Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.”

5. Luke 18:20​

“Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.”

6. John 14:15​

“If ye love me, keep my commandments.”

7. John 14:21​

“He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

8. John 15:10​

“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.”

Jesus was CLEARLY teaching the ten Commandments and asked us to Keep them, He also warned us about Not listening to Him;

Luk 6:46 Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ but not do what I say?
Luk 6:47 I will show you what he is like who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them:
Luk 6:48 He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid his foundation on the rock. When the flood came, the torrent crashed against that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
Luk 6:49 But the one who hears My words and does not act on them is like a man who built his house on ground without a foundation. The torrent crashed against that house, and immediately it fell—and great was its destruction!”

My friend.

We should obey Gods commands. If we are following the love, we will be a command follower (better yet not a command breaker)

but the ten commands as written can not tell you how to live.. They were not given for that reason

 

[Wick Stick]

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

In context, that passage is talking about changing the law for the making of priests - that they must be Levites, etc.

The idea is that the new priesthood is after the order of Melchizedek, and not Levi.

 

[Behold]

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are.

The 10 Commandments, are "the Law" "engraven in Stone", and :

"Jesus came to redeem us from the CURSE... of the Law".

How does the Law curse you?
The Law requires that you are perfect in righteousness, which you are not, so the Law then executes JUDGEMENT against you and that is why you are defined by the LAW.........as a "SINNER"..

What is the eternal solution that God offers???

A.) "Christ is the END... OF.. .THE... LAW, for everyone who BELIEVES">.

And what does that mean?

It means that when you gave God your faith in Christ and your "faith is counted by God"... then this Faith, has released God's forgiveness unto you, and now being forgiven, God gives you the New Birth.. "IN CHRIST"........
So, now you are born again, "IN Christ".......You are in Christ and Christ is in you, and there is NO LAW found there......only Grace.

So, Reader, if you are trying to keep the Commandments hoping that by doing this you can get God to accept you or keep you, then you are putting yourself under..

= "THE CURSE of The Law".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald, Jesus was teaching the commandments, they are certainly not obsolete and asked the remaining 11 to teach ALL he sais and done, they did the same. Jesus said; "If you love me, Keep My Commandments" !!!

You contradict scripture, the 10 are eternal and will never pass away.

Why are you so against the commandments of God? Who or what church has lead you away from the word of God?

I am not against teh 10 written in stone which Paul said in 2 Cor. are a ministry of death. and in Galatians He said the law was a schoolmaster, but now that faith has come we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Also only 9of the ten were carried over to the N.T. IN Hebrews the Law was old and waxing away for the New.

No church or person has led me away from teh Word of God. I love and follow His Word. But the Ten commandments were given to Israel and not to teh church. The Mosaic Law has 613 commands, but the Law of Christ has 1008 commands.