Re: Sexually Immoral

[Dash RipRock]

Based on instructions found in these passages:

1 Corinthians 5:11 - But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

1 Peter 2:13,14 - Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good

I'm having issues with continuing in fellowship with a buddy of mine I've know for a few years due to his fornicating.

I found out that after he said he got married to a woman that is a widow (eligible for re marriage) that he did not actually get legally married and has instead just took her to some pastor and they claimed he married them.

Turns out she's getting some benefits each month that would go away if she were to get married legally so because of this they did not get married legally so they could game the system to keep her benefits by not filing a marriage license.

Now he's shacking up with her fornicating claiming to be married and gets offended at anyone who says he is not married after not having filed a marriage license and not having a covenant of marriage before others as witnesses.

Personally I don't have a good conscience to continue fellowship with this guy.
Just curious if others would have issues with continuing to fellowship with someone claiming to be a brother who is sexually immoral.

 

[Ritajanice]

I had a friend like that, I ended the friendship , she had a child with a married man...plus she chased a few men from the church I used to attend...even the Pastor who was married....

My belief...no sex before marriage.

 

[marks]

Personally I don't have a good conscience to continue fellowship with this guy.

As long as you've submitted yourself to God in prayer first, I think this is your answer.

Much love!

 

[Dash RipRock]

As long as you've submitted yourself to God in prayer first, I think this is your answer.

Don't you think sometimes the answer is already spelled out in God's Word?

After seeing 1 Corinthians 5:11 and 1 Peter 2:13,14 what is there to pray about?

Should one pray and ask the Lord if 1 Corinthians 5:11 and 1 Peter 2:13,14 are actually true?

Or maybe ask the Lord if it's OK to ignore 1 Corinthians 5:11 and 1 Peter 2:13,14?

Just curious what exactly one should ask the Lord about seeing He has already spoken

 

[Ritajanice]

We should know in our spirit / inner man the morals. of God..as it’s Born Again..there is no sin in God...therefore fornication is a No,NO!

To engage in premarital or extramarital sex, before or outside of marriage, is to sin in God's sight. That is precisely the point of Hebrews 13:4, a verse often referred to in this kind of discussion.

4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. 4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

 

[marks]

Should one pray and ask the Lord if 1 Corinthians 5:11 and 1 Peter 2:13,14 are actually true?

Or maybe ask the Lord if it's OK to ignore 1 Corinthians 5:11 and 1 Peter 2:13,14?

Are these really what you think I'm advocating? Can you think of any reason to consult the Author personally given the opportunity to do so? Might there be something more you are to do first? Or . . . ?

I wrote what I did reflexively, as I think about it. Yes, the Bible tells us how to be and things to do and not do. Just the same, I wouldn't dream of taking potentionally life changing actions without talking it through with God first.

But that's just me, we are not all the same.

Much love!

 

[Dash RipRock]

We should know in our spirit / inner man the morals. of God..as it’s Born Again..there is no sin in God...therefore fornication is a No,NO!

Yes and we should also check what we think is right or wrong with what God has already said in His Word.

As an example, some people truly believe homosexuality is OK and they have no problem with it in their conscience or so they claim.

God's Word teaches against homosexuality so what God says in His Word comes before what we think or feel on the inside.

I wouldn't dream of taking potentionally life changing actions without talking it through with God first.

Seeing God's Word is already clear on this issue, I have no need to go to Him in prayer about it.

If I did, the Lord would have the Holy Spirit direct me back to His Word. I did stuff like this back when I was a new believer still learning what all God says in His Word and I found many times that I need to simply go see what He has already said in His Word

Many times we will not get any answer from the Lord when the answer is already spelled out min His Word because THAT is the answer

Whoever divorces his wife, except for the case of fornication, exposes her to adultery.

That's not the issue here since he was unmarried and the woman he's shacking up with is a widow that lost her husband to death a few years ago.

His contention is that it's not required to go file a marriage license with the government or to make covenant with his wife in front of witnesses.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes and we should also check what we think is right or wrong with what God has already said in His Word.

I seek to know God’s heart ,daily...for there is where we will find him..I don’t seek him out using scripture...I check with scripture what I hear God’s Spirit witness to my spirit/ heart.

The Bible confirms what the Spirit witnesses to our spirit...we are Born Of The Spirit and communicate with God via his Spirit to our spirit..the Bible isn’t the Living God.

My spirit yearns to know more of the heart of God, because it’s Born Again.

As an example, some people truly believe homosexuality is OK and they have no problem with it in their conscience or so they claim.

God's Word teaches against homosexuality so what God says in His Word comes before what we think or feel on the inside.





Seeing God's Word is already clear on this issue, I have no need to go to Him in prayer about it.

If I did, the Lord would have the Holy Spirit direct me back to His Word. I did stuff like this back when I was a new believer still learning what all God says in His Word and I found many times that I need to simply go see what He has already said in His Word

Many times we will not get any answer from the Lord when the answer is already spelled out min His Word because THAT is the answer





That's not the issue here since he was unmarried and the woman he's shacking up with is a widow that lost her husband to death a few years ago.

His contention is that it's not required to go file a marriage license with the government or to make covenant with his wife in front of witnesses.

 

[Ritajanice]

As an example, some people truly believe homosexuality is OK and they have no problem with it in their conscience or so they claim.

Again..the Living testimony of God..witnesses to our spirit that homosexuality is wrong..

 

[quietthinker]

Based on instructions found in these passages:

1 Corinthians 5:11 - But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

1 Peter 2:13,14 - Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good

I'm having issues with continuing in fellowship with a buddy of mine I've know for a few years due to his fornicating.

I found out that after he said he got married to a woman that is a widow (eligible for re marriage) that he did not actually get legally married and has instead just took her to some pastor and they claimed he married them.

Turns out she's getting some benefits each month that would go away if she were to get married legally so because of this they did not get married legally so they could game the system to keep her benefits by not filing a marriage license.

Now he's shacking up with her fornicating claiming to be married and gets offended at anyone who says he is not married after not having filed a marriage license and not having a covenant of marriage before others as witnesses.

Personally I don't have a good conscience to continue fellowship with this guy.
Just curious if others would have issues with continuing to fellowship with someone claiming to be a brother who is sexually immoral.

their business....not yours!

 

[Dash RipRock]

I seek to know God’s heart ,daily...for there is where we will find him..I don’t seek him out using scripture...

Sadly this makes you a prime candidate for deception

God's Spirit IS His Heart and Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead His people to Truth and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth.

Trying to walk in the Spirit without judging what one thinks the Spirit is telling them or leading them to do is a recipe for deception leading to ship wrecked faith

It also goes hand in hand with the false belief that the Lord did not lead the biblical writers by His Spirit on what to write.

Again..the Living testimony of God..witnesses to our spirit that homosexuality is wrong..

Yeah well try explaining that to all the so called "gay christians"

They are doing what you say you are doing which is seeking God apart from what He has already said in His Word.

Do you believe one can be gay and a christian?

These people claim their inner morality tells them being gay is of god and they claim god told them he made them gay

If you are not seeking the Lord thru His Word, how would you expect to help someone like this?

 

[Dash RipRock]

their business....not yours!

It's my business whether I continue fellow shipping with this guy or not.

And if I'm not going to hang out with this guy anymore I need to provide him with an explanation why

It's the upfront transparent thing to do as opposed to "ghosting" him like some do to people these days

 

[quietthinker]

It's my business whether I continue fellow shipping with this guy or not.

And if I'm not going to hang out with this guy anymore I need to provide him with an explanation why

It's the upfront transparent thing to do as opposed to "ghosting" him like some do to people these days

I guess its always others (some people) who become the excuse to take the heat off our own sins!

 

[Ritajanice]

Sadly this makes you a prime candidate for deception

God's Spirit IS His Heart and Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead His people to Truth and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth.

Gods Spirit is Alive and Active in all of his children..you should know that if your spirit is Born Again.

Trying to walk in the Spirit without judging what one thinks the Spirit is telling them or leading them to do is a recipe for deception leading to ship wrecked faith

We walk in the Spirit because we are Born Again...tis the Spirit who teaches us how to walk in the Spirit, that’s why we must be Born Again..we communicate with God through our spirit as it’s been birthed.

It also goes hand in hand with the false belief that the Lord did not lead the biblical writers by His Spirit on what to write.

The Bible was written by men under the influence of the Spirit.

Yeah well try explaining that to all the so called "gay christians"

They are doing what you say you are doing which is seeking God apart from what He has already said in His Word.

That’s between them and God..

Do you believe one can be gay and a christian?

Don’t know the answer to that question.

These people claim their inner morality tells them being gay is of god and they claim god told them he made them gay

That’s their business.

If you are not seeking the Lord thru His Word, how would you expect to help someone like this?

I haven’t been called to help someone like this....and who said I wasn’t reading God’s word after he speaks to my heart...I check everything I believe the Lord is speaking to me with scripture.

Not everything is written in the word...does the Bible love you...we are to love our neighbor as ourself...can the Bible love our neighbour?

Does the Bible tell me to go shopping for the elderly who are house bound?

Does the Bible tell me to cook meals for the elderly..like I said..my heart yearns to please the heart of God...

Do you know the Love Of God in your spirit?

 

[AngelicArcher]

1 Corinthians 15:33
Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”

You are wise to walk away.

 

[Bob]

Thank you for your post.

A number of details are missing in your narrative.

Where in the Bible does it describe what constitutes a marriage before God?

If they did not obtain a marriage license, it simply means the State does not recognized their marriage. So what?

If they were married in the eyes of a pastor, who is to say God did not consecrate their marriage?

Blessings.

 

[Dash RipRock]

I guess its always others (some people) who become the excuse to take the heat off our own sins!

Sounds like you need to repent of something.

That’s between them and God..

God has already said in His Word that homosexuality is sinful behavior and those enraging in it are corrupt and will; not be found in His Kingdom. In short, according to what God has already said, they are going to hell

Unless they repent and turn away from their sexual perversion which includes the heterosexuals who have sex outside of a marriage that God approves of

Don’t know the answer to that question.

Those that disregard what God says in His Word wouldn't.

They are on the outside looking in along with the devil and all his demons.

That’s their business.

Yeah and sadly it's taking them to hell fire.

I haven’t been called to help someone like this....

True believers are called to reach out to the lost.

1 Corinthians 15:33
Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”

You are wise to walk away.

Good scripture reference!

That's what I'm thinking.

Where in the Bible does it describe what constitutes a marriage before God?

1 Peter 2:13,14 is in fact applicable because it does not oppose God's Word.

Just like driving a car requires a license since it does not oppose God's Word.

Now when they told the Apostles to not teach in the Name of Jesus, that WAS in opposition to God's Word so any government telling Christians to not use the Name of Jesus is in error and that directive should be ignored and disobeyed as the Apostles did in the Book of Acts.

If they were married in the eyes of a pastor, who is to say God did not consecrate their marriage?

So it's OK to ignore what the Lord tells us in 1 Peter 2:13,14 just because it's inconvenient?

 

[AngelicArcher]

What Constitutes a Marriage in the Eyes of God?

What is the biblical definition of marriage? The Bible is very clear that marriage is a divinely established covenant between a man and a woman.

www.learnreligions.com

 

[Grailhunter]

@Ritajanice @LuxMundi

You guys can believe what you want but if you are interested in the truth here it is....

Fornication is not a biblical word and for the most part does not agree with the scriptures or reality.

No where in the scriptures Old or New Testament is there a requirement for a wedding ceremony to be married.

All wedding ceremonies come from Pagan customs. Even today there are a lot of Pagan customs embedded in Christian weddings.

For most of history the Jews and Christians formed marriages by the union. The union consummated the marriage. Yahweh defined the process of marriage…..For this cause a man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. Genesis 2:24 Just that simple. The difference between casual sex and a marriage is the couple stayed together. Whether or not the two families joined in a celebration…no clergy. And the union occurred during the celebration in the bridal chamber.

The Gentiles brought the custom of wedding ceremonies into Christianity. And so weddings were occurring in Christianity from that point on but they were voluntary. The first documented Christian wedding occurred in the 8th century although I am sure they were occurring before that.

In the 16th century Protestants made church wedding ceremonies a requirement to be married. Before that the Catholic church did not require weddings but shortly after that the Catholic church followed the Protestant lead.

So two people living together is not a sin, but condemning them is.
This is why the word fornication does agree with the scriptures or reality.

The scriptures never put an end to polygamy or concubinage or slavery. Polygamy and concubinage was practiced by Christians and Jews to around the Middle Ages. Even Marten Luther said he could not condemn polygamy because the scriptures do not.

Up to the 19th century grooms buying their brides from their fathers continued. And father choosing their daughter's husband continued. Our custom today of asking the father for his daughter's hand in marriage comes from this custom.

Eventually polygamy or concubinage or slavery were condemned by Christianity.

On divorce….the converstion regard divorce in the gospels mostly does not pertain to Christianity. Christ was talking to Jews about the Mosaic Law pertaining to divorce and there is no way of knowing how many wives they had. And Christianity did not adopt the custom of a Letter of Divorce.

Now I can expand on these topics because I have a few essays written on them.

 

[Ritajanice]

Sounds like you need to repent of something.






God has already said in His Word that homosexuality is sinful behavior and those enraging in it are corrupt and will; not be found in His Kingdom. In short, according to what God has already said, they are going to hell

Unless they repent and turn away from their sexual perversion which includes the heterosexuals who have sex outside of a marriage that God approves of






Those that disregard what God says in His Word wouldn't.

They are on the outside looking in along with the devil and all his demons.






Yeah and sadly it's taking them to hell fire.





True believers are called to reach out to the lost.


I’m led by the Spirit....to do the will of the Father...


Good scripture reference!

That's what I'm thinking.





1 Peter 2:13,14 is in fact applicable because it does not oppose God's Word.

Just like driving a car requires a license since it does not oppose God's Word.

Now when they told the Apostles to not teach in the Name of Jesus, that WAS in opposition to God's Word so any government telling Christians to not use the Name of Jesus is in error and that directive should be ignored and disobeyed as the Apostles did in the Book of Acts.

So it's OK to ignore what the Lord tells us in 1 Peter 2:13,14 just because it's inconvenient?

Like I said I’m Spirit led...not Bible led...my spirit is Born Again....