The Adulterous Woman.

[Magdala]

1. Nothing negative linked to Mary Magdalene.

Nothing negative is linked to Mary Magdalene? Be careful of how you say things. Mary Magdalene was healed by Jesus from seven demons (Lk. 8:2, Mk. 16:9). Furthermore, even after being healed from the possession of demons, Mary Magdalene remained a sinner, like all humans, except for a few, though she didn't commit sins to the degree that she did prior to. However, sin is sin, and all sin is negative. Let's get back to the real point of contention.

2. She tops every female list unless Christ mother is in the list.

Of course Jesus's Mother is on the list, and it's correct to say that Mary Magdalene was the greatest woman disciple aside from Her.

3. She financed Christ’s ministry.

4. It looks like she shared her home and Christ used it as a home base.

5. She and other female followers were at the cross with Christ when the Apostles were hiding.

6. Christ chose her to proclaim that He had risen to the Apostles.

Correct, and I cited those verses in my previous post.

If you told me of a vision that said Peter was a child molester…..I would not buy it either based on his deeds and character. Same goes for Mary Magdalene.

You said that it would've been "completely out of character" for Mary Magdalene to have been the unnamed woman in Lk. 7:36-50. So, explain why you say that Mary Magdalene, who was healed by Jesus from seven demons (Lk. 8:2, Mk. 16:9), and who you rightly say was the greatest woman disciple aside from Jesus's Mother, couldn't have been the woman, a well-known sinner (Lk. 7:39), repenting of her sins, and seeking forgiveness from Jesus in the house of Simon the Pharisee? (Lk. 7:36-50)

Now I do believe in visions and tongues but I try not to form my religion on them or let them override scriptures.

What does letting true visions from God override Scripture look like to you?

 

[Rockerduck]

You're right to say that throughout the Gospels Jesus manifested Himself to be God in the flesh. In the case of the adulterous woman though, what Jesus wrote in the dust can be read in post #2, and the explanation for why I say that can be found in post #1.

Scripture overrides conjecture. Jesus wrote the 10 commands with His finger, the same finger of God that wrote the ten commandments on Mt. Sinai.

 

[Grailhunter]

Nothing negative is linked to Mary Magdalene? Be careful of how you say things. Mary Magdalene was healed by Jesus from seven demons (Lk. 8:2, Mk. 16:9). Furthermore, even after being healed from the possession of demons, Mary Magdalene remained a sinner, like all humans, except of a few, though she didn't commit sins to the degree that she did prior to. However, sin is sin, and all sin is negative. Let's get back to the real point of contention.

We are all sinners, I was not talking about that. Demons.....psychiatiric issues....severe PMS. I have meet a few women that I thought had demons PMS. LOL

You said that it would've been "out of character" for the unnamed woman in Lk. 7:36-50 to have been Mary Magdalene. So, explain why you say that Mary Magdalene, who was healed by Jesus from seven demons (Lk. 8:2, Mk. 16:9), and who you rightly say was the greatest woman disciple aside from Jesus's Mother, couldn't have been the woman, a well-known sinner (Lk. 7:39), repenting of her sins, and seeking forgiveness from Jesus in the house of Simon the Pharisee? (Lk. 7:36-50)

I am not saying anything against the forgiven prostitute but the scriptures, considering the significance of Mary Magdalene and significance of the event of forgiven prostitute, if she was Mary Magdalene I believe she would have named in the storyline.

Also just for your knowledge level. Mary Magdalene was not her name and Magdalene was not a surname. Her name was Miriam just like Christ's mother and she was called Miriam the Magdalene.

What does letting true visions from God override Scripture look like to you?

The term true visions......do not override scripture......but still visions should be given there due merit.

 

[Magdala]

Scripture overrides conjecture.

God doesn't override His own words, and His Truth overrides assumptions. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that what Jesus wrote in the dust is that He's God like you assume. What Jesus wrote in the dust were the sins of the adulterous woman's accusers, who were condemning her for sins they forgave themselves of. By doing that, He was showing them that He is God, because only God could know what He knew about them all. That is not conjecture, nor is it false. I'll link to the proofs that Maria Valtorta's writings are of supernatural origin, if you're truly interested.

 

[Grailhunter]

Scripture overrides conjecture. Jesus wrote the 10 commands with His finger, the same finger of God that wrote the ten commandments on Mt. Sinai.

I know that people like to refer to the Ten Commandments but the actual Ten Commandments that Yahweh wrote on the original tablets and then He had Moses write on the second tablets are in Exodus 34:1-27

 

[Rockerduck]

God doesn't override His own words, and the Truth overrides assumptions. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that what Jesus wrote in the dust is that He's God like you assume. What Jesus wrote in the dust were the sins of the adulterous woman's accusers, who were condemning her for sins they forgive themselves of. By doing that, He was showing them that He is God, because only God could know what He knew about them all. That is not conjecture, nor is it false. I'll link to the proofs that Maria Valtorta's writings are of supernatural origin, if you're truly interested.

Off base there, God's word is pure and forever. God's Word is Truth, above all. Jesus did not write in the dust, Jesus wrote "on the ground".

John 8:6-This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

Why do you think John made the statement, "with his finger". John could have just said "wrote on the ground", but John made sure he said, "with his finger". John knew the Old Testament and what he was referencing to prove Christ deity as God.

 

[Rockerduck]

I know that people like to refer to the Ten Commandments but the actual Ten Commandments that Yahweh wrote on the original tablets and then He had Moses write on the second tablets are in Exodus 34:1-27

Yahweh made a second set for Moses, the same way, with His finger.
Exodus 34:1 -And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. Yahweh wrote with His finger and second time.

 

[Rockerduck]

We are all sinners, I was not talking about that. Demons.....psychiatiric issues....severe PMS. I have meet a few women that I thought had demons PMS. LOL



I am not saying anything against the forgiven prostitute but the scriptures, considering the significance of Mary Magdalene and significance of the event of forgiven prostitute, if she was Mary Magdalene I believe she would have named in the storyline.

Also just for your knowledge level. Mary Magdalene was not her name and Magdalene was not a surname. Her name was Miriam just like Christ's mother and she was called Miriam the Magdalene.


The term true visions......do not override scripture......but still visions should be given there due merit.

No where in scripture does it say Mary Magdelene was a prostitute.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yahweh made a second set for Moses, the same way, with His finger.

Oh my gosh no.....made a second set for Moses!.....you so funny. Read the wholes set of scriptures. Ten Laws in Exodus God calls the Ten Commandment and they were the Commandment that God made a Covenant with the Hebrews….read

There are 613 Mosaic Laws and the ten items spoken by God at Mt. Sinai were ten basic summaries of the Mosaic Laws.

 

[Rockerduck]

Oh my gosh no.....made a second set for Moses!.....you so funny. Read the wholes set of scriptures. Ten Laws in Exodus God calls the Ten Commandment and they were the Commandment that God made a Covenant with the Hebrews….read

There are 613 Mosaic Laws and the ten items spoken by God at Mt. Sinai were ten basic summaries of the Mosaic Laws.

Yea, I'm a funny guy, but I do read what scriptures says, not the 613 laws, but just the 10 commandments to go into the Ark of the Covenant.
Exodus 34:1 -And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

Moses broke the first set of the 10 commandments, so Moses cut a stone the same way and God wrote again, with His finger, on the second set of stone, the 10 commandments to put in the Ark.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yea, I'm a funny guy, but I do read what scriptures says, not the 613 laws, but just the 10 commandments to go into the Ark of the Covenant.
Exodus 34:1 -And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

Moses broke the first set of the 10 commandments, so Moses cut a stone the same way and God wrote again, with His finger, on the second set of stone, the 10 commandments to put in the Ark.

Again read the whole set of scriptures.....
God states ten laws and then he says to Moses
27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

 

[Rockerduck]

Again read the whole set of scriptures.....
God states ten laws and then he says to Moses
27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

I guess I read it differently than you. In Exodus 28, I read he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. I read that the tablets of the words of the covenant are the Ten Commandments.

 

[Grailhunter]

I guess I read it differently than you. In Exodus 28, I read he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. I read that the tablets of the words of the covenant are the Ten Commandments.

Well you can change the words if you want but is that any way to understand the scriptures

 

[Rockerduck]

Well you can change the words if you want but is that any way to understand the scriptures

I didn't change a single word.

 

[Grailhunter]

I didn't change a single word.

Then the words say......
27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

 

[Rockerduck]

Then the words say......
27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

I guess we disagree on the comma meaning.

 

[Grailhunter]

I guess we disagree on the comma meaning.

Do you think the Hebrew had commas?

 

[Rockerduck]

Do you think the Hebrew had commas?

nope, or Greek either.

 

[Grailhunter]

I guess we disagree on the comma meaning.

The ramifications of the this discussion…..regardless Christianity latched on the ten summaries spoken by Yahweh at Mt Sinai. Why? Maybe because they are easy to remember? But as part of the Mosaic Law they do not pertain to Christians and looking to them for moral guidance is a problem…. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4

Besides that, Christians do not keep the Saturday Jewish Sabbath.

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. How many ways have we blown this one out of the water!

You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's. Back then women were property…..Christian wives are not considered as property.

The rest are basic morals and morals are more supremely covered by Christ and the Apostles. Do you want to look at the Mosaic Laws for guidance? The Mosaic Law allowed polygamy and concubinage…..Fathers selling their daughter into sexual slavery. Yuck!

You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Galatians 1:1-5

Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? Galatians 4:21

Leave the Mosaic Law alone and learn the morality of Christ.

 

[Rockerduck]

The ramifications of the this discussion…..regardless Christianity latched on the ten summaries spoken by Yahweh at Mt Sinai. Why? Maybe because they are easy to remember? But as part of the Mosaic Law they do not pertain to Christians and looking to them for moral guidance is a problem…. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4

Besides that, Christians do not keep the Saturday Jewish Sabbath.

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. How many ways have we blown this one out of the water!

You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's. Back then women were property…..Christian wives are not considered as property.

The rest are basic morals and morals are more supremely covered by Christ and the Apostles. Do you want to look at the Mosaic Laws for guidance? The Mosaic Law allowed polygamy and concubinage…..Fathers selling their daughter into sexual slavery. Yuck!

You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Galatians 1:1-5

Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? Galatians 4:21

Leave the Mosaic Law alone and learn the morality of Christ.

I don't care about Mosaic law, Christ put an end to it. I know Exodus in the bible as history, not law to follow. Are you reading that into what I say because of historical facts?