The Adulterous Woman.

[Magdala]

Well what proof do you have that she has empirical evidence she saw what Jesus wrote?

Firstly, the proofs are below. Secondly, all the proof in the world won't convince you if you go into it lacking faith and humility, for example, and by that I mean going into it with preconceived notions, such as that Maria was a fraud, and/or thinking that God no longer interacts with people via dictations and visions, or thinking that there's no possibility that your understanding about certaing things could be wrong, even if only a little bit.

(I) The results from the mathematical analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

In conclusion, what do these findings mean? That Maria Valtorta is such a good writer to be able to modulate the linguistic parameters in so many different ways and as a function of character of the plot and type of literary text, so as to cover almost the entire range of the Italian literature? Or that visions and dictations really occurred and she was only a mystical, very intelligent and talented “writing tool”? Of course, no answer grounded in science can be given to the latter question.

(II) The results from the astronomical and meteorological analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

It seems that she has written down observations and facts that really happened at the time of Jesus’ life, as a real witness of them would have done. The question arises, unsolved from a point of view exclusively rational, how all this is possible because what Maria Valtorta writes down cannot, in any way, be traced back to her fantasy or to her astronomical and meteorological knowledge. In conclusion, if from one hand the scientific inquire has evidenced all the surprising and unexpected results reported and discussed in this paper, on the other hand our actual scientific knowledge cannot readily explain how these results are possible.

(III) In David Webster, M.Div.'s chapter "Proof by Geography and Topography and Archaeology" of A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, he relates:

An additional line of incontrovertible evidence (which Valtorta was encouraged by Jesus to include for the benefit of “the difficult doctors” of the Church) deals with the vast amount of geographical, climatic, agricultural, historical, astronomical, and cartographical information given in her work. Authorities in these fields have verified the accuracy of what she has reported with appropriate astonishment. Valtorta accurately identifies this agricultural and climatic information that is often unique to Palestine with the appropriate calendar period which she often specifically identifies. Without any evidence of planning and with hardly any corrections, Valtorta ends up with a perfectly flowing 3½ year story line with Jesus appropriately in Jerusalem and Judea for Passover and Pentecost in all four spring seasons, and at the Tabernacles in all three fall seasons of His ministry. Valtorta shows Jesus to have traversed the land of Palestine from one end to another in at least six cycles (some 4,000 miles), ministering in some 350 named locations, including places in Palestine known only to specialized archaeologists. Not once, however, does she have Jesus (or any one of the other 500 characters) in a place inconsistent with either the story line or distance or timing necessities.

(IV) In professional engineer Jean-François Lavère's The Valtorta Enigma, he writes:

The work [The Poem of the Man-God] overflows with exact data from the viewpoint of history, topography, architecture, geography, ethnology, chronology, etc. Furthermore, Maria Valtorta often provides precise details known only by some scholars, and in certain cases, she even records details totally unknown at the time she recorded them, and which archeology, history, or science have later confirmed.

See also the chapter "Proofs of the Supernatural Origin of Maria Valtorta's Visions Described in Her Work" in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work.

Give me Maria Valtorta beliefs and I will tell you if she ha sspoken for God or not.

Firstly, it's by the Grace of God that I can say Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson of God. Secondly, you can read Maria Valtorta’s following books for free online:

The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V (a Work on the Life of Christ), or you can read all five volumes on the website calameo: here. The latter site is great because in the search bar, you can type in keywords like “soul”, or “grace”, etc., and it’ll highlight all the places in the writings where those subjects are spoken about. The other site does that too, but this one is better for that.

The Notebooks: 1943, or you can read it here too.

The Notebooks: 1944

The Notebooks: 1945-1950

The End Times (This is thematic book, it comprises of dictations from Jesus on the end times taken from The Notebooks)

I have yet to find The Little Notebooks, Lessons on the Epistle of St. Paul to the Romans, and The Book of Azariah for free online, but I own them if you have any questions about them.

And, will you take into account that if you find something to be an "error", that it's possible that it's not that she's wrong, but that your interpretation of certain things could be wrong?

 

[Magdala]

Quote the inspired and compiled Holy Bible scripture

No one can regarding this subject, because the detail of what Jesus wrote in the dust is lacking in Scripture. However, what Jesus wrote is made known, and it can be found in The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV.

 

[Fred J]

No one can regarding this subject, because the detail of what Jesus wrote in the dust is lacking in Scripture. However, what Jesus wrote is made known, and it can be found in The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV.

i disagree, that is outside the canon, and not welcomed.

2 Timothy 3: 16&17 is the All Scripture = Holy Bible, and there's no lacking.

 

[Magdala]

All Scripture = Holy Bible, and there's no lacking.

There's no lacking in Scripture, you say? Then, for example, quote from Scripture the words that Jesus wrote in the dust in the scene of the adulterous woman.

Good luck.

 

[Fred J]

There's no lacking in Scripture, you say?

Dear readers,

Who am i to say, when 2 Timothy 3:16&17 is the authority.

To Timothy is to all the available scripture in his lifetime, by which he's been taught since young.

To us is the inspired and canonized Holy Bible scripture in our lifetime, by which we've been disciple since born again as babes in Christ.

Then, for example, quote from Scripture the words that Jesus wrote in the dust in the scene of the adulterous woman.

Good luck.

Since GOD did not inspire what Jesus wrote, to be proclaimed and written down, it's the will of GOD that we need not know.

Bur it is the verdict of Jesus, GOD inspired to be proclaimed by the Apostles, and inspired their testament to be written down for our discipleship.

Even there are certain church writing for one, that Jesus first miracle is making an apple from the tree come to His hand.

But according to the Gospel in the Holy Bible, Jesus' first miracle is turning the water into wine in the wedding at Canaan.

1 Corinthians 14:
33. For GOD is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Hebrews 12:
2. Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the Throne of GOD.
3. For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Magdala]

Since GOD did not inspire what Jesus wrote, to be proclaimed and written down, it's the will of GOD that we need not know.

It's good that you're taking back your statement that there's no details lacking in Scripture.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

(II) The results from the astronomical and meteorological analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

Firstly, the proofs are below. Secondly, all the proof in the world won't convince you if you go into it lacking faith and humility, for example, and by that I mean going into it with preconceived notions, such as that Maria was a fraud, and/or thinking that God no longer interacts with people via dictations and visions, or thinking that there's no possibility that your understanding about certaing things could be wrong, even if only a little bit.

(I) The results from the mathematical analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

Well we are commanded to test all spirits to see if they are from god. I am doing my job as a believer.

Also it doesn't matter a whit about mathematics. A prophet is a prophet because God declares it and not some algorithm.

Also it cannot be ascertained with certainty many of these claims. though she may be sapecific in details, they cannot be verified as to dater time manner, etc.

"(IV) In professional engineer Jean-François Lavère's The Valtorta Enigma, he writes:"

The work [The Poem of the Man-God] overflows with exact data from the viewpoint of history, topography, architecture, geography, ethnology, chronology, etc. Furthermore, Maria Valtorta often provides precise details known only by some scholars, and in certain cases, she even records details totally unknown at the time she recorded them, and which archeology, history, or science have later confirmed.

Can you provide examples of these detrails later discovered and confirmed.

And, will you take into account that if you find something to be an "error", that it's possible that it's not that she's wrong, but that your interpretation of certain things could be wrong?

I can, but can yo take into account she may be wrong?

I will read at least some of the works listed to find her beliefs and compare them with the known inspired word of God. If she is a seer of God- her works will not contradict the Word of God!

 

[Magdala]

I can, but can you take into account she may be wrong?

I'm no longer in a position where I know nothing about Maria Valtorta and are undecided in my judgment of her writings. Back when I was though, I wasn't not discerning when I started reading her writings and compared them with Scripture. I also familiarized myself with the arguments of both her critics and supporters, reviewed the proofs that support her writings being of supernatural origin. Most importantly, by the Grace of God, in cooperation with my free will, faith, and love, I've been able to accept the proofs by God, and recognize God's voice in her writings. Without that, no amount of proofs could convince anyone, and to prove it, for example, Jesus gave many proofs on earth that He is God incarnate, and yet some still remained unbelieving. Whatever your judgment of Maria Valtorta's writings ends up being, I just hope you at least conduct a thorough investigation into her beforehand with faith that God will always make His true spokespersons known, and expose the false ones, and with charity towards Maria by not beginning your investigation into her and her writings with a preconceived notion that she must have been, or most likely was, a false spokesperson of God.

I will read at least some of the works listed [...]

Thank you. If you have any questions about anything you come across, please ask. I own and have read all of her writings, so I can be of more immediate help.

Also it doesn't matter a whit about mathematics. A prophet is a prophet because God declares it and not some algorithm.

The astronomical, meteorological, and mathematical analysis's done on Maria Valtorta's writings, and the conclusions, lend credence to her claims, which gives reason for glory to God, because He's the reason those conclusions were reached.

Can you provide examples of these detrails later discovered and confirmed.

You'll read about them in the chapters about the proofs in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work.

 

[Fred J]

It's good that you're taking back your statement that there's no details lacking in Scripture.

Talk all you want but such writing outside of Biblical context are heresy and of heretics.

We're not surprised, for such have been during the time of the Apostles and forth.

For instance, Jesus went down to India during His absent days after the 12 years old Temple incident.

And, Jesus married Mary Magdalene, had kids and settle down in France, and more....

 

[Magdala]

Talk all you want but such writing outside of Biblical context are heresy and of heretics.

If revelations claimed to be from God that aren't found in the books of the Old and New Testament are automatically heretical like you say, then you're including all the true information not mentioned in them, such as what Jesus wrote in the dust in the scene of the adulterous woman, or all that Jesus said in His discourses, not the summaries of them in Scripture, and so on.

It's a fact that there's true information that exists outside of Scripture. It's a fact that God will continue to reveal or repeat Himself however, whenever, wherever, about whatever to whomever He wills, and that may be you one day. It's a fact there is going to continue to be true spokesmen of God in the world, not just false ones, and that's why He gave us the words and spiritual helps to discern between them. Use them rather than just automatically reject an alleged spokesperson, and possibly miss out on gifts from our living, loving, and interactive God.

 

[soberxp]

The woman can't commit adultery without a man but the man isn't condemned. Why is that?

Did you ever think that all the man around the woman had committed adultery with her in some way, so no one threw stones at her. Jesus said no one was innocent.

 

[Grailhunter]

I have had several divine events and although I believe in speaking in tongues and visions, I have not had either. These events are precious to those that have had them and it take courage to tell others of them because many will say they are not true. Effectively calling them a liar or even worse say it was of the devil.

As far as the story about the adulterous woman brought before Christ, it brings up a lot of questions.

1. This story was popular but it was not in the older texts so it was added to the texts along the way. Not that it did not happen.

2. Was stoning the lady an option? Although the Mosaic Law commanded that she be executed the Jews at that time were under Roman rule and were not allowed to execute people.

3. As some have noted, where is the man?

4. The Mosaic Law did not require those carrying out the execution to be sinless.

5. Christ did not say He forgave her and she did not ask to be forgiven.

6. Christ did not condemn the prostitute that washed His feet with her hair…..either.

So lots of questions and no clear meaning.

 

[Magdala]

2. Was stoning the lady an option? Although the Mosaic Law commanded that she be executed the Jews at that time were under Roman rule and were not allowed to execute people.

Correct, and that's why the Pharisees and scribes brought the adulterous woman before Jesus. They were going to charge Him with breaking Roman law if they could get Him to condemn the woman to death.

4. The Mosaic Law did not require those carrying out the execution to be sinless.

Correct. Jesus only said that those who were without sin should throw the stones. And no one struck the adulterous woman, because no one was without sin. So He confirmed the Law that inflicts lapidation on adulterers, but He also saved the woman because not one lapidator could be found.

5. Christ did not say He forgave her and she did not ask to be forgiven.

Correct. The adulterous woman wasn't fully repentant. And, Jesus was not foolish in forgiving. He did not say what He said to other souls whom He had forgiven because they were fully repentant. He gave the adulterous woman time and possibility to arrive at repentance and holiness, if she wished to reach them.

6. Christ did not condemn the prostitute that washed His feet with her hair…..either.

Correct, and that woman was Mary Magdalene, the sister of Lazarus and Martha of Bethany, and she was fully repentant.

 

[Grailhunter]

Correct, and that's why the Pharisees and scribes brought the adulterous woman before Jesus. They were going to charge Him for breaking Roman law if they could get Him to condemn the woman to death.



Correct. Jesus only said that those who were without sin should throw the stones. And no one struck the adulterous woman, because no one was without sin. So He confirmed the Law that inflicts lapidation on adulterers, but He also saved the woman because not one lapidator could be found.



Correct. The adulterous woman wasn't fully repentant. And, Jesus was not foolish in forgiving. He did not say what He said to other souls whom He had forgiven because they were fully repentant. He gave the adulterous woman time and possibility to arrive at repentance and holiness, if she wished to reach them.



Correct, and that woman was Mary Magdalene, the sister of Lazarus and Martha of Bethany, and she was fully repentant.

With all due respect….
There is nothing in the scriptures to link the prostitute with Mary Magdalene. Pope Gregory I made that claim and it was popular. God Bless.

 

[Magdala]

With all due respect….
There is nothing in the scriptures to link the prostitute with Mary Magdalene. Pope Gregory I made that claim and it was popular. God Bless.

There is nothing in Scripture that doesn't link Mary Magdalene to the woman in Lk. 7:36-50 either, and while the difficulty in linking the two using Scripture is the fact that a lot of details surrounding that scene are not mentioned in the four Gospels, the gaps were filled in by Jesus through taking recourse to visions. On January 21st, 1944, Maria Valtorta received a vision of that scene, and in her descriptions of all that she saw and heard, the woman who entered Simon the Pharisee's house was Mary Magdalene. This scene is chapter 235 of The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II, which you can read here. God bless you too. :]

 

[Grailhunter]

There is nothing in Scripture that doesn't link Mary Magdalene to the woman in Lk. 7:36-50 either, and while the difficulty in linking the two using Scripture is the fact that a lot of details surrounding that scene are not mentioned in Scripture, the gaps were filled in by Jesus through taking recourse to visions. On January 21st, 1944, Maria Valtorta received a vision of that scene, and in her descriptions of all that she saw and heard, the woman who entered Simon the Pharisee's house was Mary Magdalene. This scene is chapter 235 of The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II, which you can read here. God bless you too. :]

Sorry not buying it.
Completely out of character.

 

[Magdala]

Sorry not buying it.
Completely out of character.

Completely out of character? Mary Magdalene is mentioned by name in only 13 verses across all four Gospels. The four Evangelists don't touch on Mary Magdalene beyond conveying that she was healed by Jesus from seven demons, came to be a faithful disciple of His, and financial supporter of His ministry. Explain why Mary Magdalene, who was healed by Jesus from seven demons (Lk. 8:2, Mk. 16:9), couldn't have been the woman, a well-known sinner (Lk. 7:39), repenting of her sins, and seeking forgiveness from Jesus in the house of Simon the Pharisee? (Lk. 7:36-50)

Furthermore, as I mentioned earlier, gaps in the four Gospels were filled in by Jesus through Him taking recourse to visions. On January 21st, 1944, Maria Valtorta received a vision of the scene in question, and in her account the woman was made known, and it was Mary Magdalene. It was the moment she sought and received forgiveness, and became Jesus's disciple (Lk. 7:36-50, The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II, ch. 235). On July 29th, 1945, Maria Valtorta received another vision, and at one point in it, Jesus had to explain to Judas Iscariot that Mary Magdalene wasn't called to Simon the Pharisee's house, but rather came on her own to kneel at His feet, and accuse herself weeping, humiliating herself in humble public confession represented by her tears (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II, ch. 236). If you read and accepted the story of Mary Magdalene in Maria Valtorta's account, you'd learn why entering the house of Simon the Pharisee was very much in line with her character.

 

[Grailhunter]

Completely out of character? Mary Magdalene is mentioned by name in only 14 verses across all four Gospels:

• "With him were the twelve, and certain women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities: Mary who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out [...]" (Lk. 8:2)

• Three accounts referring to the same scene:

1. "Many women were there watching from afar, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, serving him. Among them were Mary Magdalene [...]." (Matt. 27:56)
2. "There were also women watching from afar, among whom were [...] Mary Magdalene [...]" (Mk. 15:40)
3. "But standing by Jesus’ cross were his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene." (Jn. 19:25)

• "Mary Magdalene was there [...] sitting opposite the tomb." (Matt. 27:61)

• Two accounts referring to the same scene:

1. "[...] Mary Magdalene [...] came to see the tomb." (Matt. 28:1)
2. "Mary Magdalene [...] saw where he was laid." (Mk. 15:47)

• Two accounts referring to the same scene:

1. "Mary Magdalene [...] bought spices [...] and anoint him." (Mk. 16:1)
2. "[...] they and some others came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared." (Lk. 24:1)
3. "[...] Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, and saw the stone taken away from the tomb." (Jn. 20:1)

• Two accounts referring to the same scene:

1. "[...] she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have laid him!” (Jn. 20:2)
2. "Now they were Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary the mother of James. The other women with them told these things to the apostles." (Lk. 24:10)

• "But Mary was standing outside at the tomb weeping. So as she wept, she stooped and looked into the tomb [...]" (Jn. 20:11)

• Two accounts referring to the same scene:

1. "Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons." (Mk. 16:9)
2. "Jesus said to her, “Mary.” Jesus said to her, “Don’t hold me, for I haven’t yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (Jn. 20:16-17)

• "Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had said these things to her." (Jn. 20:18)

As shown above, the four Evangelists don't touch on Mary Magdalene by name beyond conveying that she was once a sinner with many demons, and came to be a faithful disciple of Jesus, and thus you can't comment in good conscience on what would've or wouldn't have been "out of character" for her, based solely on their accounts.

Furthermore, as I mentioned earlier, gaps in the four Gospels were filled in by Jesus through Him taking recourse to visions. On January 21st, 1944, Maria Valtorta received a vision of the scene in question, and in her account the woman was made known, and it was Mary Magdalene. It was the moment she sought and received forgiveness, and became Jesus's disciple (Lk. 7:36-50, The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II, ch. 235). On July 29th, 1945, Maria Valtorta received another vision, and at one point in it, Jesus had to explain to Judas Iscariot that Mary Magdalene wasn't called to Simon the Pharisee's house, but rather came on her own to kneel at His feet, and accuse herself weeping, humiliating herself in humble public confession represented by her tears (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II, ch. 236). If you read the story of Mary Magdalene in Maria Valtorta's account, you'd understand that her entering the house of Simon the Pharisee was very much in line with her character.

Yes, the Gospels are a duplication of an abbreviated story.

1. Nothing negative linked to Mary Magdalene.

2. She tops every female list unless Christ mother is in the list. Just like Peter.

3. She financed Christ’s ministry.

4. It looks like she shared her home and Christ used it as a home base.

5. She and other female followers were at the cross with Christ when the Apostles were hiding.

6. Christ chose her to proclaim that He had risen to the Apostles.

Now I do believe in visions and tongues but I to not form my religion on them or let them over ride scriptures. If you told me of a vision that said Peter was a child molester…..I would not buy it either based on his deeds and character. Same goes for Mary Magdalene.

 

[Rockerduck]

Jesus was showing that He is God. In the Gospel of John, John is proving the deity of Christ throughout the whole Gospel. What did Jesus write in the sand with His finger? It is found is scripture. Jesus is God.

Exodus 31:18 - And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

 

[Magdala]

Jesus was showing that He is God. In the Gospel of John, John is proving the deity of Christ throughout the whole Gospel. What did Jesus write in the sand with His finger? It is found is scripture. Jesus is God.

Exodus 31:18 - And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

You're right to say that throughout the Gospels Jesus manifested Himself to be God in the flesh. In the case of the adulterous woman though, what Jesus wrote in the dust can be read in post #2, and the explanation for why I say that can be found in post #1.