If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

[Ritajanice]

Already said that.


You say a man has no choice…
Then say God does Not Force…
Oxymoron.

We are Born Of The Spirit...who said that God forces?

Titus 3:5. “He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.”

Salvation of one’s soul is an offered gift.
Quickening of one spirit is an offered gift.

That is not how God says that we are Born Of The Spirit?

It is not forced gift, nor without the mans Consent.

Who said it was forced.

We are Born Of The Spirit..by whose Living testimony do we know that our spirit is Born Again?

Consent (by the man) occurs when the man Freely… CHOOSES…ELECTS…CONFESSES his Choice / Election to the Lord God.

Josh. 24:
[15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

1 Thes. 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, “your” election of God.

If you didn’t Choose…
If you didn’t Elect….
Why would you be in posession of The Lord Gods Gifts, given to those who DID Choose / Elect Him?

Glory to God,
Taken

None of what you have posted , has anything to do with being Born Of The Spirit.

You are arguing against the word of God on how we are “ Born Of The Spirit “....i listen to the testimony of the Spirit who indwells my spirit...not your own “ personal “ testimony.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?.....that’s how I know that my spirit is Born Again...

Your post does not resonate with my spirit....because it’s you speaking and not the Living testimony of the Spirit...I know his voice and I listen to no strangers voice...
Plus you evaded my questions?

If you want a discussion it needs to be two way...not your one way...asking all the questions and answering none.

Your belief system is your own.....I will defend how I became Born Of The Spirit to the death....all Glory goes to God...for choosing to birth me in the Spirit.

I had no say in becoming Born Of The Spirit...I became Born Again as I was chosen and predestined, just as his word says...before the foundation of the world.
Spirit gives birth to spirit......

The Living Spirit testifies with my spirit all day every day to my spirit that I am Gods child....without God’s Living testimony who birthed my spirit....I would still be in the natural man...Praise God for showing me mercy and choosing to open my heart...to become Born Of The Spirit....my testimony and belief....never to be denied....all Glory goes to God.....for doing it all.....no Bible in sight.

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[marks]

Who said it was forced.

Actually this element of force is implicit to your POV. Your view is that God alone chooses whom He will regenerate, with no input from that person, is that right? So that we don't "choose" to be born again, God does that, and then makes us born again, and only then do we participate in anything with Him, am I on track here?

Not that we are asked if we want to be reborn, and if we say yes, we are, and if we say no, we are not?

So if it's God doing alone that brings our rebirth, that means it's something that is done to us, we don't ask for it, there's nothing we could do to stop it, God is irresistable in His power, so yes, rebirth is being forced onto the chosen ones.

I still think that God's purpose is to gather together a family that loves Him because we want to, not because He did something to us to make us want to. And I think His purpose in gathering this family is so that He can share Himself with us. The ultimate Giver giving the ultimate Gift.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

Actually this element of force is implicit to your POV. Your view is that God alone chooses whom He will regenerate, with no input from that person, is that right? So that we don't "choose" to be born again, God does that, and then makes us born again, and only then do we participate in anything with Him, am I on track here?

Once we are Born Of The Spirit By supernatural divine heart revelation...only then can we be led by the Spirit Of God....imo and belief.

Not that we are asked if we want to be reborn, and if we say yes, we are, and if we say no, we are not?

I’m not understanding any of this...I can only go by Gods Living testimony...the Bible backs up how we are Born Of The Spirit by supernatural divine heart revelation...Spirit gives birth to spirit.

So if it's God doing alone that brings our rebirth, that means it's something that is done to us, we don't ask for it, there's nothing we could do to stop it, God is irresistable in His power, so yes, rebirth is being forced onto the chosen ones.

No, I don’t see it that way...Gods ways are much higher than ours...you understand the rebirth your way, I understand the rebirth exactly as the word says...unfortunately some complicate the word of God...By as we see above..you adding your own understanding of God’s word, by adding your own words to understanding the rebirth...you aren’t using scripture, in other words....

We are Born Of The Spirit exactly as the word says...we don’t need to add to Gods words...that’s when it gets confusing ...you can’t deny how we are Born Of The Spirit...that’s exactly how I was Born Of The Spirit, exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemas...and as the Spirit was indwelling me ...the Spirit testified with my spirit that we are Gods children...how else would I know that my spirit is Born Again?

Whose Living testimony testifies with our spirit that it’s Born Again?....

I still think that God's purpose is to gather together a family that loves Him because we want to, not because He did something to us to make us want to.

When our spirit is birthed...who loved us first in our heart?...how can we not love God back , when he poured out his Love into our hearts, when it was birthed...The Spirit is pure Love...he is Alive and Active.....his Love is overwhelming...I fell instantly in Love with the Spirit, the minute my spirit was birthed.do you know God’s Love in your heart, marks?....are you not overwhelmed ...how he can Love wretches like us?

And I think His purpose in gathering this family is so that He can share Himself with us. The ultimate Giver giving the ultimate Gift.

Much love!

Again your words.Marks..which aren’t resonating with my spirit.

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...= by supernatural divine heart revelation.

 

[marks]

you adding your own understanding of God’s word, by adding your own words to understanding the rebirth...you aren’t using scripture, in other words....

Quite simply,

John 1:11-13 KJV
11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

We are born of God, and that's His doing alone, we have nothing to do with being reborn, no more than a child controls it's own birth.

In verse 12, God tells us what comes before being reborn, which is that we receive Him, and believe on His Name. These are active voice verbs, which means that the person themself is the one who receives, and who believes, it's not being done for them, that would be a passive voice verb.

Please don't just ignore these things, saying, I have my testimony, and that's not it. I'm not talking about personal testimony, which is our opinion of what we perceive about what happened when we became Christians. I'm solely telling you what the Bible says in this place.

If in any instance our experiences are telling us something different from the plain sayings in the Bible, we need to give careful consideration to the sayings of the Bible.

I don't at all mean this as though to say your faith is false or something like that, I don't think that for a moment! Nor do I dismiss your testimony. You are the one who lived it. Really my main concern is that each of us are careful to understand what the Bible says about things, and that we give it the position of authority, even if our experiences seem different.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

Quite simply,

John 1:11-13 KJV
11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

We are born of God, and that's His doing alone, we have nothing to do with being reborn, no more than a child controls it's own birth.

Which I’ve said all along..only God can birth us in the Spirit.

In verse 12, God tells us what comes before being reborn, which is that we receive Him, and believe on His Name. These are active voice verbs, which means that the person themself is the one who receives, and who believes, it's not being done for them, that would be a passive voice verb.

No he does not...he tells us that we are Born Of The Spirit..exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemas.

God brought me to initially believe in Jesus , then birthed me in the Spirit...then my heart believed, because it had been birthed into the Spirit of Christ.

Human heart belief..is no belief at all imo....heart belief comes from the Living Spirit Of God..By supernatural divine heart revelation = Spirit gives birth to spirit...only then could I walk in faith as I then know Jesus in my heart, by the power of the Living Spirit...my heart can only know Jesus by His Living testimony..

Please don't just ignore these things, saying, I have my testimony, and that's not it. I'm not talking about personal testimony, which is our opinion of what we perceive about what happened when we became Christians. I'm solely telling you what the Bible says in this place.

I have not given my personal opinion..I have given scripture...my testimony lines up with scripture..now you show me where it doesn’t. @marks ....?

If in any instance our experiences are telling us something different from the plain sayings in the Bible, we need to give careful consideration to the sayings of the Bible.

Please don’t divert from what I have asked you marks...are you / can you answer my questions?

I don't at all mean this as though to say your faith is false or something like that, I don't think that for a moment! Nor do I dismiss your testimony. You are the one who lived it. Really my main concern is that each of us are careful to understand what the Bible says about things, and that we give it the position of authority, even if our experiences seem different.

I have posted what the Bible says..why are you trying to divert?

Why aren’t you answering my questions ,marks..I’ve answered yours?

Much love!

Marks...you cannot argue with Gods word on how we are Born Of The Spirit?
That is not a personal opinion...that is Gods word...which for some reason you dismiss.
So I ask you again...by whose Living testimony do we know that we are Gods children/ Born Again?

I also asked you.

When our spirit is birthed...who loved us first in our heart?...how can we not love God back , when he poured out his Love into our hearts, when it was birthed...The Spirit is pure Love...he is Alive and Active.....his Love is overwhelming...I fell instantly in Love with the Spirit, the minute my spirit was birthed.do you know God’s Love in your heart, marks?....are you not overwhelmed ...how he can Love wretches like us?


It’s very clear...that our understanding of Born Again is very different.....and it’s very clear,that for some reason you are unable to answer my questions?

You see marks...God has brought you to understand his word one way and God has brought me to understand his word another way...

I have answered your questions...yet you haven’t answered mine and sadly it seems...you are unable to say that you don’t understand my post...which I know that you don’t...because if you did, you would be able to answer my spirit questions?

We need the Living testimony of the Spirit delivered to our heart, when it becomes Born Again....to know God in Spirit...God is not the Bible..he is a Living Spirit.

 

[marks]

I have answered your questions...yet you haven’t answered mine and sadly it seems...you are unable to say that you don’t understand my post...which I know that you don’t.

These are elementary things and we've covered this in the past. The Holy Spirit in my heart assures me I am Him.

I've shared with you the saying of Scripture, that is all. And to be sure . . . I've neither said nor thought that the Bible is God. Of course it is not God. Why do you even suggest such a thing? But it is in fact God's communication to us. That is very important, I know you agree. This is why I've shared what it says.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

These are elementary things and we've covered this in the past. The Holy Spirit in my heart assures me I am Him.

I've shared with you the saying of Scripture, that is all.

Much love!

Once again marks..all of my questions go unanswered.

The Holy Spirit doesn’t assure us marks, that isn’t biblical..if it is, please show me?

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children...

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

"Only if more people obey God's Word will the world become more and more like the true kingdom of heaven, otherwise it will be a hellish scene."

Thats exactly what the misled, Dispensationalist Evangelicals are building over in Tel Aviv right now.. Satan's throne. They're the ones causing this nightmare.

In regards to what right now ? the War ?

The Islamic Mob brought that War on themselves ! and anyone who is suporting the Islamic Mob is totaly of Satan in fact !
Gladlt Joe Biden only helped bring that War on the State of Israel, because he and his Co are Satanic Communist intent, so as to dominate the whole world with their Satanic load of total garbage that they peddle and push on everyone.
Not to mention the Socialist Jews are the problem, as they let it happen ! in the name of their god Socialism ! for this Mob have no regards the OT. for they are carnal or only religious carnal dupes.

If the Socialist got their way in the State of Israel, then the worthy Religious Jews would all be killed or tossed out of the Land ! but the rest of Socialist are not worthy of anything but Socialist god's.

Why do you think that Zelensky calles The State of Israel, Little Israel ? and called Ukraine Big Israel ? Do you understand of know why he says this garbage.

Is Ukraine going to become a huge Super Power in the world ?

Look at Zelensky he is Idolised by all of Europes Socialist Leaders in fact ! Why do they all jump as if this Dictating mongrel dog was their god ! Nazi's love him as well ! not to mention Ukraine being the most corrupt Nation on earth for how many years !

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

since that was my first response. It was not me

I just stated what Paul said. it does not erase everything God promised in the OT

Nothing in John 8 contradicts romans 11. That All israel will (not might) be saved at a particular time (when the fulness of the gentiles has come to completion) because they (livig children of Israel at that time) repent.

See. Typical rant of someone who does not understand what he is arguing against.

Lord, give me strength… My face is in my hands and Romans 11 is back on the table like we didn’t already cover this multiple times over the last 20 pages. It's like a Scofield boomerang that just won’t stay buried.


Claim:

Him: “Nothing in John 8 contradicts Romans 11… All Israel will be saved when the fullness of the Gentiles is complete.”


Response:

Me: And as I already said — Romans 11 doesn't cancel Jesus' own words.
John 8:44 wasn’t metaphorical. Jesus said to the Jewish leaders:

“You are of your father the devil.”

Paul wasn't contradicting that — he was warning Gentile believers not to become arrogant, while grieving that his own people had rejected the Messiah. Romans 11 is not a loophole for Christ-rejecting Judaism.


Claim:

Him: “Israel is blinded in part… those blind Jews are enemies of the Gospel… they are of their father the devil.”


Response:

Me: Then stop flipping between claiming Israel is broken off and still holding a valid inheritance apart from repentance.
You say you agree with Paul — but then act like the land and nation of modern Israel still hold divine right without accepting Christ.
(Yep, you guessed it — goes against the Gospel. Again.)

I hope all the lurkers here are realizing just how much damage the Scofield Bible™ has done at this point.


“And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.”
— Romans 11:23


So let’s be clear:
They’re not grafted in right now.
Not “on hold.” Not “partially chosen.”
They were broken off — and only repentance brings them back.


Claim:

Him: “It doesn’t matter if you’re Jew or Gentile. If you reject God, God rejects you.”


Response:

Me: Amen — but somehow you still turn around and argue that the land promises remain valid for people who currently reject Christ.
That’s dual-covenant logic, whether you admit it or not.
You're assigning spiritual inheritance apart from the Son,
—which, again, openly and totally contradicts the Gospel of Jesus Christ.



Claim:

Him: “God’s promise still stands… Amen, never said otherwise.”


Response:

Me: But those promises now stand in Christ alone — not in genealogical claims, national identities, or Third Temple fantasies. That’s the whole point of the Gospel:

“He who has the Son has life. He who does not have the Son does not have life.” (1 John 5:12)


Claim:

Him: “God promised David He would rule in Jerusalem. That has nothing to do with salvation.”


Response:

Me: What does it profit anyone to inherit land if they die without Christ?
You’re carving the Gospel in half — treating land, prophecy, and physical rule as if they exist in some separate, non-salvific category.
But the New Testament doesn’t teach two inheritances.
It teaches one — and that inheritance is Christ Himself.

“He is the heir of all things.” — Hebrews 1:2
“And if children, then heirs — heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ.” — Romans 8:17

There’s no promise outside of Him.
No blessing.
No covenant.
No future.

So no — the land is not some parallel inheritance. It was always pointing to the greater promise: the indwelling Christ, the hope of glory. (Colossians 1:27)


Claim:


Him: “My foundation is Christ. Yours is lies and Catholic doctrine.”


Response:

Me: That’s ironic. The version of theology you're defending — Dispensationalism — was invented in the 1800s, pushed into American seminaries by Cyrus Scofield with help from Zionist funders. My theology is the New Testament, not Rome or Scofield’s study notes.


Claim:

Him: “Take your antisemitism elsewhere.”


Response:

Me: Labeling Scriptural rebuke as “antisemitism” is a deflection. This isn’t about race. It’s about rejecting the only Messiah who can save anyone — Jew or Gentile.
If someone rejects Christ, they reject the God of Abraham. Period. The end. That’s not "hatred" — that’s Jesus’ own teaching.


Claim:


Him: “God’s promise to Israel was eternal — if God breaks it, He’s a liar.”


Response:


Me: God didn’t break it — they did, by rejecting the covenant’s fulfillment: Jesus Christ.
“The Kingdom will be taken from you and given to a nation producing its fruits.” — Matthew 21:43
Jesus made it crystal clear — the true Israel is those in Him, not a nation-state with Christ-rejecting leadership.

You want to talk prophecy, history, and covenants?

Then open your Bible — not Scofield’s notes.

Because the covenant doesn’t survive without the Covenant-Keeper.
And that Keeper is Jesus Christ — not Tel Aviv, not bloodlines, and not a rebuilt Temple where the Son of God is still unwelcome.


Warning: The Scofield Bible may cause theological blindness, dual-covenant delusion, and misappropriated eschatology.
If you’re following this Satanic anti-Gospel deception, you’re not following Jesus Christ —
you’re following another gospel, one that Paul said brings a curse (Galatians 1:8).

 

[marks]

The Holy Spirit doesn’t assure us marks, that isn’t biblical..if it is, please show me?

Romans 8:15-17 KJV
15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

What question do you have for me that I've not answered. And please don't bury me in a wall of text, just ask your question please.

Much love!

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

It’s like the Scofield Bible brainwashed an entire generation of Christians into putting converts to Judaism above the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

They traded the Cross for a covenant that was already fulfilled —
and in doing so, they became defenders of a system that openly denies the very Savior they claim to follow.
It’s heartbreaking — exactly like Paul, weeping over his own people who rejected Christ.

Make no mistake about it. Listen clearly.
What the Scofield Bible did to the modern Church is not just doctrinal error —
it is heresy of the highest order.

It convinced Christians to exalt a Christ-rejecting system over the Son of God.
It taught them to revere those who curse the Messiah,
to fund temples where He is unwelcome,
and to call it “blessing Israel” —
when in reality, it is preparing the throne for the Antichrist.

They traded the New Covenant for a bloodline,
the Gospel for a geopolitical idol,
the Body of Christ for a false kingdom with no King.

This isn’t just ignorance anymore —
it’s full-blown apostasy.
Anti-Christian to its very core.

And let’s be honest —
this kind of deception could have only been authored by Satan himself.

The hour is late.
The line is drawn.
Choose now whom you will serve —
the Gospel of Jesus Christ… or the counterfeit covenant of Scofield.

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 8:15-17 KJV
15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Exactly, but, that’s not what you said....you said the Holy Spirit reassures you.thats not biblical.

Your spirit knows that it’s been birthed = Spirit gives birth to spirit....therefore without a doubt, you should know the Love Of Christ in your spirit...because God is Love.....
That’s why I asked you if you know the Love Of God....as it appears in a previous post of yours, you didn’t understand that .if you are Born Again..then you should know in your spirit, that he loved you first...how would we know this?...and how can you not love him back...if your spirit has been birthed?
You said this.which makes no sense..can you see why it makes no sense?
What does because he did something to us to make us want to....?.to make us want to what?
marks said:
I still think that God's purpose is to gather together a family that loves Him because we want to, not because He did something to us to make us want to.

17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

What question do you have for me that I've not answered. And please don't bury me in a wall of text, just ask your question please.

Much love!

I asked you the questions a second time...just scroll up a few posts...instead of wriggling out of answering them?

I suggest also that you don’t tell me how to be Born Again...

I was Born Of The Spirit...not by force as you call it...I never chose to be Born Again....I was chosen and predestined to become a child of God.

Having a conversation with God and accepting him...is not how we are Born Of The Spirit.....as his word says.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You can't judge people when your thinking is flawed my friend.

And even if you did know it and understand correctly. Coming in and boasting how you will set everyone straight does not look good on you. It makes you look arrogant. and puffed up.

But if thats how you want to be. So be it

You did get schooled and you're continuing to get schooled in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The reason I left that comment is because while I was at work for 8 hours, I didn't want you here going -- "SEE!!!!!! He's not responding because he knows I'm right!!!"

 

[marks]

I suggest also that you don’t tell me how to be Born Again...

As I've said, I'm simply telling you what the Bible itself says. Not me, Scripture.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

As I've said, I'm simply telling you what the Bible itself says. Not me, Scripture.

You didn’t post scripture in how we are “ Born Of The Spirit “ i posted that scripture..

Much love!

I’ve done the same...I was Born Of The Spirit..exactly how Jesus explains to Nicodemas...

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

In regards to what right now ? the War ?

The Islamic Mob brought that War on themselves ! and anyone who is suporting the Islamic Mob is totaly of Satan in fact !
Gladlt Joe Biden only helped bring that War on the State of Israel, because he and his Co are Satanic Communist intent, so as to dominate the whole world with their Satanic load of total garbage that they peddle and push on everyone.
Not to mention the Socialist Jews are the problem, as they let it happen ! in the name of their god Socialism ! for this Mob have no regards the OT. for they are carnal or only religious carnal dupes.

You’re asking if I was talking about the war? Let me be absolutely clear:
I’m talking about the false kingdom already rising from Tel Aviv —
a kingdom long built on rejection of Jesus Christ,
and now spiritually weaponized by misled Christians who think they’re fulfilling prophecy,
while actually helping erect the throne of the Antichrist.

This isn’t about “Socialists vs. Religious Jews.”
This is about a Christless, counterfeit covenant being sold to the world as holy —
and Scofield-fed Evangelicals are front-row donors to it.

“No one who denies the Son has the Father;
whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.” — 1 John 2:23

If you deny Christ, you are not of God —
no matter what flag you wave, what bloodline you boast, what book you read, or what’s written in your DNA.

And yes — the Muslims know the land never belonged to the modern state of Israel in God’s eyes.
That’s why 1948 sent shockwaves through the Middle East.
Because even they can read Scripture —
and they understood what most Christians refused to admit:
that the covenant was fulfilled in Jesus Christ, and there are no more “chosen people” outside of Him.

And honestly… can you blame them for thinking:
“My God… these ‘children of the devil’ are going to bring the Antichrist right into our lands.”

Because here’s what most Christians don’t realize:
Many Muslims actually believe in a coming false messiah — the al-Masih ad-Dajjal — who deceives the world before the return of Isa (Jesus).

They already view modern Israel as a Western-backed, Christless, Satanic invasion of what they consider sacred land.

So from their perspective? It’s not a stretch.
They see the Zionist-Christian alliance as a satanic machine preparing the world for Dajjal —
and whether their theology is right or wrong, they’re absolutely right to be terrified.
Because spiritually? That’s exactly what’s happening.

The covenant was fulfilled in Christ.
There are no more “chosen people” outside of Him.

And that’s exactly why the Scofield delusion got supercharged in the 1950s —
to brainwash Christians into supporting a Christ-rejecting nation,
as if it were still under God’s covenant.

It’s not.

“If you do not have the Son, you do not have the Father.” — 1 John 2:23

So let’s stop pretending this is about political parties, who attacked who first, or religious labels.
This is about Christ.
And no one inherits anything without Him.

And for all we know — if the Zionist state hadn’t been violently planted in 1948,
and if the CIA hadn’t snuffed out Iran’s democracy in the name of oil and empire —
we might be living in a world where Christians could travel freely through the Middle East:
welcomed in cafés from Tehran to Damascus, visiting churches in peace, and preaching the Gospel without fear.

But instead, the West backed a Satanic system, elevated a Christless covenant,
and dragged the name of Jesus into a geopolitical nightmare.

And now?
They all hate Christians — not because of Christ,
but because we look like the empire that dropped bombs, stole land, and called it prophecy.
All because of the Satanic elites… and the Scofield Bible that helped them do it.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Let us divide our discussion into three key parts to clearly respond to your assertions and clarify my position. I hope this will help avoid misunderstandings.

1. Theological Aspect

At the First Council of Nicaea (325) and subsequent councils, such as the Council of Chalcedon (451), the Church affirmed the fundamental dogmatic principle: salvation is possible only through Jesus Christ. Any statement contrary to this is and remains heresy. This decision is based on Sacred Scripture, in particular, such texts as the Gospel of John (14:6) — “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” — and the Acts of the Apostles (4:12) — “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” These councils, guided by the Holy Spirit and Tradition, established orthodox teaching, which remains unchanged for the Orthodox Church.

Let’s not get lost in tidy categories while missing the heart of what I actually said.

I never denied that salvation is through Jesus Christ — I affirmed it louder than most bishops ever have. But the fact that the Council of Nicaea affirmed Christ’s divinity doesn’t mean the council itself was above reproach. That’s the fallacy here: assuming that because a true thing was said, everything surrounding it must be righteous.

You say the councils were guided by the Holy Spirit — I say they were also guided by Constantine’s empire, and those two don’t always walk hand-in-hand.

You claim their decisions were made to protect theological truth, not to manipulate. But that’s as delusional as claiming the Medieval Church wasn’t corrupt — when we know it was.
We have receipts: indulgences, inquisitions, torture chambers, political assassinations, papal wars. And we’re supposed to believe the earlier councils were somehow immune from the same spirit of control and consolidation?

Let’s be real.

Yes, Jesus is the only Savior. But that doesn’t mean everything done “in His name” — especially by empires — reflects Him. The sword that pierced His side is not the same one Constantine raised above his throne.



Now, about Enoch.

You say it’s part of Tradition but not Scripture — as if that softens the blow. But that proves my point more than it refutes it.

You’re admitting it has spiritual value… yet still won’t elevate it. Why?
Because it doesn’t “fit.” Because it’s too wild, too ancient, too uncontrollable. Because it exposes truths the councils couldn’t explain or contain. Because it names the Watchers, the Nephilim, and the root of corrupted bloodlines and powers.

That’s not exclusion by divine discernment — that’s a cover-up.

Moses saw God’s back.
Enoch walked with God before the Flood.
And his writings were preserved in detail — quoted by Jude, known to the early Church, and revered in Ethiopia to this day.
But suddenly, post-Nicaea, it’s “non-canonical”? That’s not theology — that’s political damage control to preserve hierarchy and suppress the truth.

This isn’t about Protestant vs Orthodox.
This is about Truth vs the systems that buried it.

Protestants rejected Enoch to match the Pharisaic canon.
Orthodox tradition tucked it into the shadows.
But no one gave it the weight it deserved — because it burned too close to the truth.

So yes, I believe in Christ — the Son of the Living God, the final Word, the only door.
But I also believe the Church councils didn’t protect that truth. They wrapped it in chains.

They silenced the prophets.
They erased the Watchers.
They redacted the war in Heaven and replaced it with imperial theology.

And now here we are — 1,700 years later — with churches funding the Third Temple, modern priests bowing to politics, and Christians calling deception “prophecy.”


Again,
The war for truth didn’t end at Nicaea.
It started there.

 

[Taken]

We are Born Of The Spirit...who said that God forces?

Titus 3:5. “He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.”

That is not how God says that we are Born Of God…

HOW a man is Saved and Quickened is NOT in Question.

HOW a mans SOUL is SAVED is by the POWER of God.
HOW a mans SPIRIT is Quickened is by the SEED of God.

Our disagreement is regarding WHY.
WHY is EXPRESSLY Because of the mans “Heartful Belief”.

WHY;
* A mans “Heartful Belief” IN God, at his Physical Death.
The LORD God Saves his SOUL After his physical Death.

WHAT and WHEN;
(The LORD God WILL Raise that mans BODY, at the First Resurrection, WITH a QUICKENED SPIRIT.)

* WHY a mans SOUL is SAVED and SPIRIT QUICKENED BEFORE Physical Body Death of
* “A Confessed Heartful Believer” IN CHRIST the Lord God.
Such man IS accounted bodily Dead, Crucified with Jesus, SOUL SAVED by (Jesus), QUICKENED by the POWER of God (Christ), Redeemed by Christ the Lord at the Rapture.

*****
Ancient mens Choices.
Belief in God.
Israel. God Saved.

Historically mens Choices.
Belief in God.
Israel & Gentiles. God Saved.

Modernly (since Jesus’ Death to today, into Future during Tribulations sent down from Heaven)
Belief in God. Belief in Jesus.
Israel & Gentiles. God Saves.
God shall Resurrect. (First Resurrection)

(Modernly, Before Tribulations sent down from Heaven).
Belief in God, Belief in CHRIST Jesus.
Israel & Gentiles. Christ Jesus Saves.
Christ Jesus shall Redeem. (Rapture)

The WHY is Expressly Dependant on the MANS “Choice / Election” to Heartfully BELIEVE.

The HOW is Expressly by the Authority and Power of God.

The PRE-Destination is simply God Knowing the mans Choice, BEFORE the man KNOWS.

God is ALL Knowing, and HAS Already “Prepared” a Place for EACH man who WILL CHOOSE Him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ritajanice]

HOW a man is Saved and Quickened is NOT in Question.

HOW a mans SOUL is SAVED is by the POWER of God.
HOW a mans SPIRIT is Quickened is by the SEED of God.

Our disagreement is regarding WHY.
WHY is EXPRESSLY Because of the mans “Heartful Belief”.

WHY;
* A mans “Heartful Belief” IN God, at his Physical Death.
The LORD God Saves his SOUL After his physical Death.

WHAT and WHEN;
(The LORD God WILL Raise that mans BODY, at the First Resurrection, WITH a QUICKENED SPIRIT.)

* WHY a mans SOUL is SAVED and SPIRIT QUICKENED BEFORE Physical Body Death of
* “A Confessed Heartful Believer” IN CHRIST the Lord God.
Such man IS accounted bodily Dead, Crucified with Jesus, SOUL SAVED by (Jesus), QUICKENED by the POWER of God (Christ), Redeemed by Christ the Lord at the Rapture.

*****
Ancient mens Choices.
Belief in God.
Israel. God Saved.

Historically mens Choices.
Belief in God.
Israel & Gentiles. God Saved.

Modernly (since Jesus’ Death to today, into Future during Tribulations sent down from Heaven)
Belief in God. Belief in Jesus.
Israel & Gentiles. God Saves.
God shall Resurrect. (First Resurrection)

(Modernly, Before Tribulations sent down fro Heaven).
Belief in God, Belief in CHRIST Jesus.
Israel & Gentiles. Christ Jesus Saves.
Christ Jesus shall Redeem. (Rapture)

The WHY is Expressly Dependant on the MANS “Choice / Election” to Heartfully BELIEVE.

God brought me to initially believe in Jesus....then he chose to birth my spirit....only then could I believe in my spirit as it had been birthed into the Spirit of Christ = Spirit gives birth to spirit ,which came by supernatural divine heart revelation ....NOT a BIBLE in sight....my spirit has Gods Living testimony, residing permanently in it..... ,the Spirit testifying that truth to my heart all day every day....the Bible confirms how I was Born Of The Spirit...which you keep dismissing.for some strange reason.

The HOW is Expressly by the Authority and Power of God.

The PRE-Destination is simply God Knowing the mans Choice, BEFORE the man KNOWS.

God is ALL Knowing, and HAS Already “Prepared” a Place for EACH man who WILL CHOOSE Him.

Glory to God,
Taken

Like I have tried to explain to you many times on this forum.

I was Born Of The Spirit...man/ me has “ NO” choice on that supernatural act which comes by supernatural divine heart revelation...nowhere in scripture does God say that you can accept being Born Of The Spirit.

You are dismissing and arguing against the word of God on how I became Born Of The Spirit.....therefore I rebuke your words in the Name of Jesus.

That is what you believe and i disagree 100% that I chose God and accepted his invitation..like you said you did.

That is your testimony ..I have posted my testimony, plus it’s biblical...and will continue to do so..if you continue to quote me.


I was Born Of The Spirit..by supernatural divine heart revelation.....Spirit gives birth to spirit.....that is how we are Born Of The Spirit.....our spirit knows it’s Born Again = by supernatural divine heart revelation.

I’m not interested in how “ you” believe you accepted Gods invitation....that’s your testimony...which doesn’t resonate with my spirit....the way Jesus explains to Nicodemas..is his word and I stand on his word...not your word or your understanding of scripture.

I was birthed by the Living Spirit Of God...because HE chose to give birth to my spirit.....as he had already chosen and predestined me before the foundation of the world to become his spirit child..God is a Living Spirit...he’s not a load of scripture....

Please answer my questions that I asked you..instead of wriggling out of them.

Here is one of them ...what in you knows that God loved you first?

How do you know that God loved you first?.....

And by whose Living testimony?... @Taken ?

Spirit gives birth to spirit...means what?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You’re asking if I was talking about the war? Let me be absolutely clear:
I’m talking about the false kingdom already rising from Tel Aviv —
a kingdom long built on rejection of Jesus Christ,
and now spiritually weaponized by misled Christians who think they’re fulfilling prophecy,
while actually helping erect the throne of the Antichrist.

This isn’t about “Socialists vs. Religious Jews.”
This is about a Christless, counterfeit covenant being sold to the world as holy —
and Scofield-fed Evangelicals are front-row donors to it.

“No one who denies the Son has the Father;
whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.” — 1 John 2:23

If you deny Christ, you are not of God —
no matter what flag you wave, what bloodline you boast, what book you read, or what’s written in your DNA.

And yes — the Muslims know the land never belonged to the modern state of Israel in God’s eyes.
That’s why 1948 sent shockwaves through the Middle East.
Because even they can read Scripture —
and they understood what most Christians refused to admit:
that the covenant was fulfilled in Jesus Christ, and there are no more “chosen people” outside of Him.

And honestly… can you blame them for thinking:
“My God… these ‘children of the devil’ are going to bring the Antichrist right into our lands.”

Because here’s what most Christians don’t realize:
Many Muslims actually believe in a coming false messiah — the al-Masih ad-Dajjal — who deceives the world before the return of Isa (Jesus).

They already view modern Israel as a Western-backed, Christless, Satanic invasion of what they consider sacred land.

So from their perspective? It’s not a stretch.
They see the Zionist-Christian alliance as a satanic machine preparing the world for Dajjal —
and whether their theology is right or wrong, they’re absolutely right to be terrified.
Because spiritually? That’s exactly what’s happening.

The covenant was fulfilled in Christ.
There are no more “chosen people” outside of Him.

And that’s exactly why the Scofield delusion got supercharged in the 1950s —
to brainwash Christians into supporting a Christ-rejecting nation,
as if it were still under God’s covenant.

It’s not.

“If you do not have the Son, you do not have the Father.” — 1 John 2:23

So let’s stop pretending this is about political parties, who attacked who first, or religious labels.
This is about Christ.
And no one inherits anything without Him.

And for all we know — if the Zionist state hadn’t been violently planted in 1948,
and if the CIA hadn’t snuffed out Iran’s democracy in the name of oil and empire —
we might be living in a world where Christians could travel freely through the Middle East:
welcomed in cafés from Tehran to Damascus, visiting churches in peace, and preaching the Gospel without fear.

But instead, the West backed a Satanic system, elevated a Christless covenant,
and dragged the name of Jesus into a geopolitical nightmare.

And now?
They all hate Christians — not because of Christ,
but because we look like the empire that dropped bombs, stole land, and called it prophecy.
All because of the Satanic elites… and the Scofield Bible that helped them do it.

I agree with you.

But all Political Partys have Whores with in, playing the Game ? Number one is to dupe all of the people !

I think most people are ok regardless where they come from, but for some are out right bastards and cunning as Hell ! for they lead others astray with all sorts of BS !

What the Churches were on about in places that I grew up in 1960's 70's 80's were not on about the crap that started in the 90's here, but I think in the USA they got all of the BS earlyer, I seen such on TV with so many idiot so called Priest talking so much outright nonsense.
We would laugh at such dribble.

As far as Islam is conserned W Churchill was totaly correct, when he said that Islam is like rabies in a Dog ! how can you trust people like that !
Not to mention Jews who are of the Talmud Whore are an abomination ! They take Dog cunning to another level ! pure Evil ! even worse than Hitler and Stalin in fact ! but the Talmud is hidden from people ! not to mention most people could not give a rats to bother to look into such at all !

Understanding the workings of Satanist is a must, so as to be able to sniff such out !

I am not anti Arab or Anti Semitic race at all. I think they of such have had a hell of a time. but it's all to do with the Anti-Christ. that's the Key issue in fact, That plays people for fools.

I support the PM Ben of Israel tho.