If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

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TWO THINGS HERE ARE IN PLAY:

1. The bloodline of Israel is not the problem. They are a people who were not a people, whom God has made a light unto all nations and people. For which God has made certain promises and provisions, including many trials and a blindness after the "finish" like unto death.

2. The modern state of Israel, although it includes many of that original bloodline, is the creation of certain followers of Satan to effectively highjack the power of God falsely over all people.
 

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Taken,
Your premise of Israel salvation is correct, but your timing of postponement into our future the recovery from their blindness is incorrectly misunderstanding the scriptures you posted to do that postponement.

Peter clear told us when all the house of Israel could be saved, and that open-door began for them in the 1st century, and has continued throughout every generation.

“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and they said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.”
Acts 2:36-40



No postponement….
Complete salvation by Jesus’ blood for all the house of Israel and their children from that generation of Pentecost onward!!!
You are presuming ISRAEL being “enlightened” translates to mean “ISRAEL” “accepted” that “ mystery knowledge”.

Open eyes…2,000 + years later To this day, the majority of “Jews” do NOT embrace the NT, and continue in the OT, that Jesus Fulfilled.

Rom 11:
[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Are you confidant the “fullness of the Gentiles has come in”?

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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You're right, but I don't know why the answer seems to be in my head. I'm not even sure I believe that all human beings will be saved.

I'm confused.

I couldn't tell if I was reading the Bible wrong or something else,

If death is due to adam, why not life because of the second Adam.

We know a little, we don't know a little, we just wait for the day to know completely.
Jesus explains this, John is the best way to look

1. But as many as received him.
2. God lo loved the world. so whoever believes

God will not force anyone to receive his gift.. If they do not want it. He will let them die in unbelief
 
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There is nowhere in scripture where it says that you can invite yourself to be Born Of The Spirit....that is an act of God....that only His Living Spirit can perform.= comes by supernatural divine heart revelation...

Spirit gives birth to spirit.......God chooses and God does the birthing...man has no say in the matter....
The offering is Gods Offer.
Mans part is to Agree or Not.

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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You are presuming ISRAEL being “enlightened” translates to mean “ISRAEL” “accepted” that “ mystery knowledge”.

Open eyes…2,000 + years later To this day, the majority of “Jews” do NOT embrace the NT, and continue in the OT, that Jesus Fulfilled.

Rom 11:
[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Are you confidant the “fullness of the Gentiles has come in”?

Glory to God,
Taken
No

Rome is not finished yet. nor is it destroyed. I will come when christ returns
 
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The offering is Gods Offer.
The Spirit does the birthing...he doesn’t offer it..nowhere in scripture does God say that he offers the rebirth to us....that is your understanding of the rebirth...which i 100% disagree with, as it’s not biblical..

My testimony comes from God’s Living testimony the Living Spirit.who birthed my spirit into His.......who testifies with my spirit?..that I am a child of God....
Mans part is to Agree or Not.
Not Biblical.

Born of the Spirit....exactly like Jesus explains to Nicodemas....when the Spirit births, you never know where ,when, time or place....because it’s the Spirit who births.....you wouldn’t and couldn’t do a supernatural act that only the Spirit can perform.

Our spirit has been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed....a Living seed, ....the Living seed indwells our spirit permanently, once “ GOD” “ chooses” to birth our spirit...= As his word says.....Spirit gives birth to spirit.....the word doesn’t say man gives birth to spirit...or that man chooses to accept, you have added your own words to Gods word...that’s why it’s confusing to read, because it came from “ you”.and NOT from the word of God.
Glory to God,
Taken
There is nowhere in scripture...where God says that you can accept being Born Of The Spirit.

God does it all...man has no choice in becoming Born Again..they were chosen and predestined before the foundation of the world.

How did God offer you to be Born Of The Spirit?

By whose Living testimony do you know God or Jesus?

How do you know that your spirit has been birthed into the Spirit of Christ?

Man has NO part to agree....the rebirth is all up to the Spirit and will of God to perform = by supernatural divine heart revelation?

All Glory goes to God....regarding the rebirth.....God did it all...Praise His Holy Name!

God does not force any rebirth....he prepares his children’s heart / spirit ....to receive his Spirit.....all according to his will, purpose and plan.

If one understands that God forces the rebirth...then they are still in the flesh or natural man....who has no understanding of spiritual matters as they are foolishness to them...

I am here to Glorify the Living power of the Living Spirit Of God and will continue to do so.
 
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You are presuming ISRAEL being “enlightened” translates to mean “ISRAEL” “accepted” that “ mystery knowledge”.

Open eyes…2,000 + years later To this day, the majority of “Jews” do NOT embrace the NT, and continue in the OT, that Jesus Fulfilled.

Rom 11:
[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Are you confidant the “fullness of the Gentiles has come in”?

Glory to God,
Taken
Some Jews attempt to live by the OT but it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to do so.

Only ONE MAN fulfilled the Law of God = HIS SON = Emmanuel

Some unwise christians try and combine the OT Law to Christ = a deadly disaster
 

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TWO THINGS HERE ARE IN PLAY:

1. The bloodline of Israel is not the problem. They are a people who were not a people, whom God has made a light unto all nations and people. For which God has made certain promises and provisions, including many trials and a blindness after the "finish" like unto death.

2. The modern state of Israel, although it includes many of that original bloodline, is the creation of certain followers of Satan to effectively highjack the power of God falsely over all people.
It has birthed the lie of anti christ and its interfaith solution . interfaith is .................TOTAL BAD NEWS and is of ANTI CHRIST .
And guess where its all being centered . Right mack dab in JERUSALEM .
The great hour of all out deceptoins are peaking
and great tribulation is at hand . Any and all who conformed not to the false love
of the broad path
WILL be betrayed and many persecuted even unto death . Mark them words my friend .
That which is of anti christ and was even at work in the days of both paul and john
ITS PEAKING and its peace n safety solution , WILL BE THE END OF THIS ENTIRE WORLD .
 

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But no one is willing to die for sure.
Its why its known as AND FOR THIS cause GOD send them strong delusion .
THEY REJECTED the LOVE of the TRUTH
they will buy the lie of he who comes in his own name , and buy THE LIE
of the broad path and believe it is love and of GOD , WHEN IT BE OF SATAN and HIS WHORE and that which is of anti christ .
THEY WONT think or even believe they gonna die
THEY WILL BELIEVE THEY DO GODS WILL . its called delusoin .
And the few who do not conform but stand firm upon the Words of the prophets and of the LAMB
Will be persecuted . YEA the time is coming and now even is
WHEN the false lovey doers of the all inclusvie interfaith
will even believe they DO GODS WILL when
folks like us are rounded up . YEA the time is coming and now even is
WHEN a true bible heeding JESUS CHRIST following sheep
WILL BE SEEN as no less dangerous than AN ISIS BOMBER . I am watching this mindset already grow .
THEY SEE FUNDAMENTAL bible beleiving lambs AS A DISEASE , as a potential terroist even .
OH yeah its growing . SOON the only accepted religoin
of the land and of the lands of this world
WILL BE THE ALL INCLUSIVE LOVEY DO DUNG PILE . And any who dares to expose certain sins
and any who dares to say < BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO GOD , ITS JESUS and ye must beleive
WILL BE SEEN as even haters TO MUCH OF CHRISTENDOM and the UNITED FALSE RELIGOINS . Its a madhouse my friend .
 

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Jesus explains this, John is the best way to look

1. But as many as received him.
2. God lo loved the world. so whoever believes

God will not force anyone to receive his gift.. If they do not want it. He will let them die in unbelief
And WHO SO EVER Will let HIM come and drink of the waters of life .
Yep .
Thats an invite to ANYONE . the time to stand firm and more so than ever , IS NOW .
A global WHORE and her GLOBAL false love religoin of interfaith co exist
HAS RISEN up big time and its taking hearts captive to a sin loving unbelief embracing LIE that will DAMN them all
And though it promises them this is the solution for world PEACE n safety
ITS END WILL BE SUDDEN . SUDDEN DESTRUCTION shall come upon them all who loved and bought a lie .
 

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Jesus explains this, John is the best way to look

1. But as many as received him.
2. God lo loved the world. so whoever believes

God will not force anyone to receive his gift.. If they do not want it. He will let them die in unbelief
LINE the walls . let no man sleep .
The watchmen must be alert and on duty .
ALAS ALAS a lie has formed .
What do you see
I SEE a very broad path being presented under the guise that is is love and loving and of GOD .
But its END WILL BE SUDDEN destruction upon them all who loved a lie .
 

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Its why its known as AND FOR THIS cause GOD send them strong delusion .
THEY REJECTED the LOVE of the TRUTH
they will buy the lie of he who comes in his own name , and buy THE LIE
of the broad path and believe it is love and of GOD , WHEN IT BE OF SATAN and HIS WHORE and that which is of anti christ .
THEY WONT think or even believe they gonna die
THEY WILL BELIEVE THEY DO GODS WILL . its called delusoin .
And the few who do not conform but stand firm upon the Words of the prophets and of the LAMB
Will be persecuted . YEA the time is coming and now even is
WHEN the false lovey doers of the all inclusvie interfaith
will even believe they DO GODS WILL when
folks like us are rounded up . YEA the time is coming and now even is
WHEN a true bible heeding JESUS CHRIST following sheep
WILL BE SEEN as no less dangerous than AN ISIS BOMBER . I am watching this mindset already grow .
THEY SEE FUNDAMENTAL bible beleiving lambs AS A DISEASE , as a potential terroist even .
OH yeah its growing . SOON the only accepted religoin
of the land and of the lands of this world
WILL BE THE ALL INCLUSIVE LOVEY DO DUNG PILE . And any who dares to expose certain sins
and any who dares to say < BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO GOD , ITS JESUS and ye must beleive
WILL BE SEEN as even haters TO MUCH OF CHRISTENDOM and the UNITED FALSE RELIGOINS . Its a madhouse my friend .
I forgot to say that no one wants to die, but when people accept that there is no eternal life but only death in the world, because they have not seen such a strange thing, There is nothing to bind human desires, so things get weird, and people have to see the reward to respond, Do you think it's because humans are afraid of lies?
 
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No

Rome is not finished yet. nor is it destroyed. I will come when christ returns
I see a seat that has great power over the kings of the earth
and of the tribes and is merging all denominations and all religoins to be as one .
It preaches that which is of anti christ
and no marvel
for even wickipedia did not deny the seat that giveth it its name
ADDS up to SIX HUNDRED THREE SCORE AND SIX .
Oh yeah something is wrong and its been wrong .
But its love religoin it has poured upon them all to merge them as one .
IT HAS CRIED these very words as have its protestant allies
HEALING THE WOUND . HEAL THE WOUND . HEAL THE WOUND they cried and have cried .
Rather odd indeed .
And they holler FIRE FROM Heaven beliving in an awaking and coming miracles .
SAME SEAT TOO .
And i saw the beast whose DEADLY WOUND WAS HEALED
HEALING THE WOUND , Let us heal the wound . OH YEAH SOMETHING VERY DARK and VERY SINISTIR has been at work .
And this deluded and decieved people HEED its solution that it says WILL BRING
them PEACE , PEACE on earth and in the middle east .
AND BY PEACE SHALL HE DESTORY MANY .
OH yeah something very wicked and dark has been at work and INTERFIATH IS OF ANTI CHRIST . PEROID .
 
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I forgot to say that no one wants to die, but when people accept that there is no eternal life but only death in the world, because they have not seen such a strange thing, There is nothing to bind human desires, so things get weird, and people have to see the reward to respond, Do you think it's because humans are afraid of lies?
humans LOVE lies . Maybe not all lies
BUT THEY SURE LOVE the lies they tell themselves .
And the lies others say that agree with them .
MAN is a lover of sin , a lover thus of death and yet knoweth not is death .
ALL who love a lie love death , because the lie IS DEATH .
 
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Some Jews attempt to live by the OT but it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to do so.

Only ONE MAN fulfilled the Law of God = HIS SON = Emmanuel

Some unwise christians try and combine the OT Law to Christ = a deadly disaster
many do . many try and combine a false lovey do works and try and make JESUS into a minstir of lies and of sin .
AINT no mans lovey do gonna save him
THE LOVE OF GOD CAN . and its about HIGH TIME folks preached that NAME .
And unto those who do speak that lovely NAME and yet use
it to DECIEVE this people into another jesus and a fake big ol broad road lovey do path to GOD
Are gonna wail double . THEY DID IT IN HIS NAME . imagine that . USING the NAME OF GOD , OF HIS CHRIST
to DENY HIS CHRIST as the ONLY name That can save them and that they must bleieve . TALK about a wailing day for them souls who did that
and for them souls who LOVED that lie , that other jesus that seemed to hold up rainbows
KISS korans and holler we are one .
THAT jesus IS NOT THE CHRIST , its the devil using his name to DECIEVE .
This sheep WONT heed a word one outt that mouth or the lips of its co workers . CAUSE GREATER IS HE
that in in us and JESUS KEEPS HIS SHEEP and THEY FOLLOW HIM , not wayward wolves in wool .
 

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The Spirit does the birthing...
Already said that.
he doesn’t offer it..nowhere in scripture does God say that he offers the rebirth to us....

Born of the Spirit....exactly like Jesus explains to Nicodemas....when the Spirit births, you never know where ,when, time or place....

...the word doesn’t say …that man chooses to accept, you have added your own words to Gods word...

There is nowhere in scripture...where God says that you can accept being Born Of The Spirit.

God does it all...man has no choice in becoming Born Again..they were chosen and predestined before the foundation of the world.
Man has NO part to agree....

God does not force any rebirth....

You say a man has no choice…
Then say God does Not Force…
Oxymoron.

Salvation of one’s soul is an offered gift.
Quickening of one spirit is an offered gift.

It is not forced gift, nor without the mans Consent.

Consent (by the man) occurs when the man Freely… CHOOSES…ELECTS…CONFESSES his Choice / Election to the Lord God.

Josh. 24:
[15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

1 Thes. 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, “your” election of God.

If you didn’t Choose…
If you didn’t Elect….
Why would you be in posession of The Lord Gods Gifts, given to those who DID Choose / Elect Him?

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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Some Jews attempt to live by the OT but it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to do so.

Only ONE MAN fulfilled the Law of God = HIS SON = Emmanuel

Some unwise christians try and combine the OT Law to Christ = a deadly disaster
The Lord did not “destroy the Law”…
But He did destroy the Temple…oops…a prominate “and only Place” Jews for centuries had to Give their Sin Offering.

Jews have for Decades been making preparations for a new Temple…The “only” thing “lacking” IS:
Access to the Exact Site to build…
And
A red heffer.

Literally everything else is prepared, even the Priests clothing!

It will eventually be built, to fulfill Scripture.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

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The Lord did not “destroy the Law”…
But He did destroy the Temple…oops…a prominate “and only Place” Jews for centuries had to Give their Sin Offering.

Jews have for Decades been making preparations for a new Temple…The “only” thing “lacking” IS:
Access to the Exact Site to build…
And
A red heffer.

Literally everything else is prepared, even the Priests clothing!

It will eventually be built, to fulfill Scripture.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

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Even if they had the correct location and the exact instruments, the exact red heifer and so on, God will NOT accept it or them.

Let's learn a lesson from God while the Temple and sacrifices were being offered during the prophet Isaiah's ministry.

Isaiah 66:1-4

1Thus says the Lord:

“Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
Where is the house that you will build Me?
And where is the place of My rest?
2For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,”
Says the Lord.
“But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My word.
3He who kills a bull is as if he slays a man;
He who sacrifices a lamb, as if he breaks a dog’s neck;
He who offers a grain offering, as if he offers swine’s blood;
He who burns incense, as if he blesses an idol.

Just as they have chosen their own ways,
And their soul delights in their abominations,
4So will I choose their delusions,
And bring their fears on them;
Because, when I called, no one answered,
When I spoke they did not hear;
But they did evil before My eyes,
And chose that in which I do not delight.”

IMPORTANT = Can you find that which God desires from the Jews in this passage?
 
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