If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

[David in NJ]

That isn't the point. Judas is not mentioned in the prophecy of betraying Jesus. What Old Testament prophecy specifically states "And a man name Judas will betray the Messiah for 30 pieces of gold"?

Well the prophecy of the betrayal of JESUS is prophesied in the OT

 

[Berean]

Well the prophecy of the betrayal of JESUS is prophesied in the OT

True, and I stated that previously. The betrayal was prophecied, The WHO is not.

 

[David in NJ]

True, and I stated that previously. The betrayal was prophecied, The WHO is not.

Well, the "who" also is precisely prophesied but not by name(Judas)

 

[David in NJ]

True, and I stated that previously. The betrayal was prophecied, The WHO is not.

Post 243 UPdated for your Blessing

 

[Berean]

Well, the "who" also is precisely prophesied but not by name(Judas)

nah, we'll agree to disagree

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Let's SEE if you TRULY believe the words of CHRIST

Matthew 23:37-39
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

(this was already covered in depth a few pages back btw...)

You want to quote Matthew 23:37–39? Good.
Because those are the words of a grieving King, not a prophecy addict.

Jesus wasn’t making a Scofield-style timeline prediction.
He was pronouncing judgment on the very city that rejected Him.

“You were not willing.”
“Your house is left to you desolate.”

That's not a delay.
That’s a divine verdict.

“You shall see Me no more…”
That’s not hope.
That’s holy heartbreak.

And the only condition He gave?

“Until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

Which is another way of saying:

You will not see Me again unless you repent and recognize Me for who I am.

Not, unless you rebuild a temple.
Not, unless a war starts.
Not, unless the UN makes a deal.
Unless you say — “He is Lord.”

There is no other door.
No parallel covenant.
No future rescue mission for a Christ-rejecting nation.

You think Jesus was postponing prophecy.
No — He was weeping over the fact that they missed it.

“You did not know the time of your visitation.” — Luke 19:44

And here you are — 2,000 years later —
still waiting for a second invitation to a wedding that already happened.

The Kingdom came.
The Messiah came.
He fulfilled it all.

And if you're still waiting for God to restart the plan with modern Israel,
you're not standing with Jesus.
You're standing with the city that crucified Him —
and thinking it deserves a bonus round.

Repent.
Or you won’t see Him either.

 

[David in NJ]

nah, we'll agree to disagree

NO

We DO NOT agree to disagree

Right now you are disagreeing with God's words

Or, you can choose to be Blessed from Above

 

[David in NJ]

(this was already covered in depth a few pages back btw...)

You want to quote Matthew 23:37–39? Good.
Because those are the words of a grieving King, not a prophecy addict.

Jesus wasn’t making a Scofield-style timeline prediction.
He was pronouncing judgment on the very city that rejected Him.

“You were not willing.”
“Your house is left to you desolate.”

Repent.
Or you won’t see Him either.

You want to quote Matthew 23:37–39? Good.
Because those are the words of a grieving King, not a prophecy addict.

Anyone who says such things does not have the Holy Spirit ruling and guiding inside them.

You do not believe the words of the LORD Jesus Christ and you need to take your own medicine:
Repent.
Or you won’t see Him either.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Anyone who says such things does not have the Holy Spirit ruling and guiding inside them.

You do not believe the words of the LORD Jesus Christ and you need to take your own medicine:
Repent.
Or you won’t see Him either.

That’s the difference between quoting the actual words of Christ — and twisting them to protect a system He never taught.

I believe every word Jesus said.
That’s why I take Him at His word when He said:

“It is finished.” (John 19:30)
“The Kingdom of God is at hand.” (Mark 1:15)
“My Kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36)
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” (John 3:36)


And yes — I believe Him when He said to Jerusalem:


“You will not see Me again unless you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’” (Matthew 23:39)


That’s a call to repentance and faith —
Not a Scofield countdown.

So here’s the truth:
If you’re still waiting for a geopolitical redemption apart from the cross,
If you think a nation that rejects the Son will be saved by a timeline instead of His blood —
You’re not being led by the Holy Spirit.
You’re being led by a system built 1,800 years after the Gospel was already fulfilled.

I don’t need to twist His words.
I just believe them.

 

[Wick Stick]

That isn't the point. Judas is not mentioned in the prophecy of betraying Jesus. What Old Testament prophecy specifically states "And a man name Judas will betray the Messiah for 30 pieces of gold"?

Prophesies are rarely that specific, but this one is pretty close. The prophet Zechariah identifies the betrayal price as 30 pieces of silver in chapter 11 of his book.

 

[David in NJ]

That’s the difference between quoting the actual words of Christ — and twisting them to protect a system He never taught.

I believe every word Jesus said.
That’s why I take Him at His word when He said:

“It is finished.” (John 19:30)
“The Kingdom of God is at hand.” (Mark 1:15)
“My Kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36)
“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” (John 3:36)


And yes — I believe Him when He said to Jerusalem:


“You will not see Me again unless you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’” (Matthew 23:39)


That’s a call to repentance and faith —
Not a Scofield countdown.

So here’s the truth:
If you’re still waiting for a geopolitical redemption apart from the cross,
If you think a nation that rejects the Son will be saved by a timeline instead of His blood —
You’re not being led by the Holy Spirit.
You’re being led by a system built 1,800 years after the Gospel was already fulfilled.

I don’t need to twist His words.
I just believe them.

That’s the difference between quoting the actual words of Christ — and twisting them to protect a system He never taught.

Like this - “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

You failed your own educational dictates!!!

Including being a accuser of the brethren with this, and I quote your own words:
"If you’re still waiting for a geopolitical redemption apart from the cross,
If you think a nation that rejects the Son will be saved by a timeline instead of His blood —
You’re not being led by the Holy Spirit.
You’re being led by a system built 1,800 years after the Gospel was already fulfilled."

None of which I ever stated or adhere too!!!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Prophesies are rarely that specific, but this one is pretty close. The prophet Zechariah identifies the betrayal price as 30 pieces of silver in chapter 11 of his book.

It is even more specific than that…..Jesus also knew from Hebrew Scripture prophecies that he would be betrayed by a close associate.…

Psalm 41:9…”Even my close friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted his heel against me.” (ESV)
Jesus quoted that Psalm indicating that the betrayer would be “a close friend”….

John 13:18-19…”I am not speaking of all of you; I know whom I have chosen. But the Scripture will be fulfilled, ‘He who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me.’ I am telling you this now, before it takes place, that when it does take place you may believe that I am he.”

And at Psalm 109:6-8… says….”Appoint a wicked man against him; let an accuser stand at his right hand. When he is tried, let him come forth guilty; let his prayer be counted as sin! May his days be few; may another take his office!”

This Psalm indicates that the betrayer’s prayer would be counted as sin, and another would take his place.

Even though he was not named, Jesus knew ‘when satan entered into Judas’, and sent him on his way to accomplish his plan. His regret came too late.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Are you alluding to the "narrow gate" being the same as the "narrow path"?

JESUS went to Heaven so where is the "narrow path" to follow, since JESUS is not here?

The way to life has an entry that is narrow…..then the path it leads to is cramped…difficult to navigate. “Few” find it…and some will find the path too difficult to say on……but why?

The other road also has a gate but it is wide…and traveling this road is not difficult at all…”many” will choose this gate and the road ahead looks easy…..why then is it the wrong road…leading to destruction?

Jesus left the earth, but he did not leave his disciples.
Matt 28:19-20….Jesus left them an assignment…
”Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

So Christ’s true disciples would be preachers of God’s word and would be out actively searching for the deserving or worthy ones (Matt 10:11-14) teaching them and baptizing them…and what was Jesus’ promise?…..“Look, I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Let me be perfectly clear about the eternal danger you’re in as a Dispensationalist.

This isn’t a minor theological disagreement.
This is a matter of the Gospel itself — and the title of this entire thread isn’t just an opinion.
“If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah.”

That’s not hyperbole. That’s not sensationalism.
That is Biblical fact — and your soul may depend on whether you recognize it.

Because if you believe that God still owes something to a Christ-rejecting nation…
If you think Jesus postponed His promises until after World War III, a rebuilt temple, or a future ethnic revival…
Then you have rejected the very meaning of the cross.

You have made the blood of Christ insufficient,
You have declared the New Covenant incomplete,
And whether you know it or not — you are preaching a gospel that cannot save.

If you believe the promises to Israel are still waiting to be fulfilled by a modern nation-state —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“For all the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

If you believe God will bless a people who reject His Son, simply because of their ancestry —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father.” — 1 John 2:23

If you believe there’s still a covenant in operation outside of the New Covenant —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“In speaking of a new covenant, He makes the first one obsolete.” — Hebrews 8:13

If you believe there are “two peoples, two plans, two destinies” —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“There is one body and one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” — Ephesians 4:4–5

If you believe the Gospel has a national exception clause —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile… for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” — Galatians 3:28

If you support any theology that postpones God’s promises beyond the cross —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.” — Hebrews 9:26

If you believe Christ came to start the plan of redemption but hasn’t finished it yet
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“It is finished.” — John 19:30

If you think a third temple is required before Jesus can return —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?” — 1 Corinthians 3:16

If you believe the Church is a temporary pause in God’s “real plan” for ethnic Israel —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body.” — Ephesians 3:6

If you believe the bloodline of Abraham holds prophetic power apart from the blood of Jesus —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.” — Galatians 3:29
And if someone says, “But we are Abraham’s descendants!” — remind them:
So were the men who crucified Christ.
“If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did… but now you seek to kill Me.”— John 8:39–40

Jesus Himself said it plainly:
Physical descent means nothing if you reject the Son.

“Before Abraham was, I AM.” — John 8:58
The true seed of Abraham is not traced by blood — it’s traced by the cross.
Only those in Christ are counted as heirs.
Outside of Him, there is no inheritance, no covenant, and no promise left to claim.


So let this be as clear as the fire of Sinai:
If you believe any of this —
that God’s covenant still belongs to the flesh,
that the Messiah left His work unfinished,
that a Christ-rejecting nation holds divine favor,
or that Israel’s destiny lies outside the blood of Jesus —
then according to the Gospel, you are not part of the Body of Christ.
You are not within His covenant.
You are not standing in the promises.

You are outside the ark.
Outside the Kingdom.
And unless you repent —
you will perish outside the gates, with your idol.

And if you continue to preach and follow this Scofield-born, war-hungry, idol-wrapped, Satanic deception —
then you’re not just misled. You’re flirting with eternal damnation.

“If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” — Galatians 1:9

And as a Dispensationalist, that’s exactly what you’re doing — 24/7/365.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Can someone please provide a rational explanation for the necessity of a third Temple on earth?
Paul spoke of ”types and shadows”, of which the Temple and the earthly priesthood were prime examples.

The true Temple of God is in heaven, and those who would serve there as priests had to wait until their death and resurrection to take their places there…..nowhere does the Bible speak of a Christian “priesthood” on earth…..these would serve in a heavenly Temple…..where Jesus said he would “go and prepare a place” for his disciples in his Father’s house.

Rev 20:6 says of the elect (chosen ones)…
”Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years.”

You notice it says ”they will be priests“ and “will rule as kings” with Jesus for that 1000 years.
These will be part of the “first resurrection” which means that a second one will follow….(John 5:28-29) This is the general resurrection that the Jews were taught about in their Scripture….the one mentioned by the sister of Lazarus. (John 11:23-24) So there are two separate resurrections that take place at different times.

The “thousand year reign” of Christ and his “bride” take place when he has cleansed the earth of all wickedness and introduced the rulership of his kingdom, prophesied by Daniel some 500 years before the Messiah was even born. (Dan 2:44) The time period for this reign to begin is in the days of the last kings of Daniel’s prophesy….the present world rulers of today. God’s kingdom will crush and put an end to all corrupt human governments, and replace them as man’s only government….on the shoulders of “the Prince of Peace”.
We are virtually in the last minutes of the last days, counting time from God’s perspective. (2 Pet 3:8)

Are we ready?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Titus 2:13 - "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"

1 Thess 1:10 - and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

Revelation 22:20 - "He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
Amen.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

I had a mate who claimed, that he will believe in Jesus, if he seen him in the flesh ! I thought what a total outright moro !
Who believed that Jesus was the Christ back in the day ? No one did ! Only Nathaniel said so, and Jesus said why this was so !
But Jesus said to Natheniel what he would see !
And the rest of Jesus apostles only knew that Jesus was the Christ when he went to Heaven in fact !

But the Bible says of them who believe and not seen him in the flesh are more blessed, why is that ? because it's not about seeing a man in the flesh in fact, but it's all about the Holy Spirit dewelling in you, Period ! This ones live line ? It's the Key you need ! as it does not start without that Key. Jesus was only the Key ? get it ? Christ Jesus is that Key ! now this motor is running ?
The Key is Salvation= Jesus ! now knowing the Key you start it because you are abiding, now that motor is running ! We have contact and traction !
We have it in the bag ? what's more ! when one is truly Saved ! you have it ! ones eyes are opened ! now starts the job of doing what you thought was impossible become possible ! for it's not of your works but Christ Jesus doing. Like did I do that ? No ! Christ Jesus did that !

If we all abide in the Lordship Salvation, we have it made as in Heaven !

Some devils have bagged Lordship Salvation to me. And I thought what the hell are you on about ! Well it means Salvation is lordship within him ! he is your Lord and Saviour and you abide in him !

What ever old mate claimes of Lordship Salvation was just some stupid dribble nonsense that I had no clue of the nonsense he was ranting on about.

But why not abide ? you can not truly abide if you are not saved in fact ! because one is lost in fact !

If Jesus came in the flesh today and everyone agreed in him, would all people abide ? sure would, if they were his !

But seeing and believing is not the end of the story, it's all about that you are his People, his Body and he is the Head of that Body !

 

[Marvelloustime]

Whether or not the temple is rebuilt .........
that which is of anti christ is already at work
and both the massive amount of gentiles , YES EVEN CHRISTENDOM , and the massive amount of jews who follow not CHRIST
are already , in some measure UNDER ITS INFLUENCE .
and that influence IS GROWING both in numbers and IN DARKNESS .
You would be amazed at how new age inclusive even the tamlud and secular jews ALREADY ARE
AND EVEN MANY within christendom itself sister .
I have noticed THE ONE THING they all have in common
its a form of a love and that love is having them find common ground to be as one people on mutter earth .
What a lot of folks dont realize is
The natural jews are as wicked as is the rest of the lost world and its nations .
THEY love abominations and hate GOD as much as anyone else who is lost .
A UNIFYER HAS COME . and its NO UNIFYING spirit , or love , THAT ANYONE should ever have desired to sit under .
But sister , I CANNOT STOP IT . the more i warn , IT JUST KEEPS INCREASING .
I already knew i never could stop it sister . But i did what i did for the sakes of the people anyway . AT least some heard .
maybe more will . But we just in the very last days now sister and times will continue to get more deceptive and far worse .

@amigo de christo

 

[soberxp]

Hitler was just as Talmud Jew !

Hitler got his orders and was put into his possition from the Talmud Whore inspired Mob, One Lord Rothschild is and his Co of big Bankers who are not worthy of Christ Jesus for a fact ! but their History is one of undermining hard working people clearly in a Satanic way ! Grace does not abound with such as them in their Games.

Sure they who work so as to dominat over all are Smart ! and the majority are of this world, as Jesus said, This world is Full of Deceptions and Delusions !
Get that ? that's a Key issue !

Communism was clearly created by the Talmud as well, and I have come across such as Communist claims are as the Bible says ? but no Communist ever has the Grace of God in fact ! for Communist are only Carnal Dupes that are all about being on a mans works Game play, they only wish so as to Dominate over everyone like a mongrel dog in fact !
But one of Grace lets our Saviour do the works in us because we know he is our Lord ! for we do not abide in Mans works because that ends, is what is called Lost !

Hitler is only peddling the same trash as the Talmud does ! such is totaly Satanic workings in fact, and then we come to the so called Jew ? Well the Talmud is no friend to the foundations of Gods People at all in fact ! just as the Golden Calf had nothing to do with God ! but they of the Golden Calf are a works of Man !
Mans works are that of a Beast ! No Grace !
If one has no Grace you are a Beast ! = Lost ! for Their is no salvation in one without Grace !

Hitler and his Talmud Whore Lords only worked so as to Dupe the People with what ever cards they could play. They stoped the Jewish News Papers from printing and only alowed the Zionist News Papers to print in fact ! So as to push a one sided propagander over the German Jews in fact ! For the majority of Jews in Germany hated the so called Zionist ! because they were not that stupid to swallow that so called Zionst crap ! So this did not work against the Jews, so the German Jews became a huge Threat to the so called Zionist in fact !

That's why the so called Zionist had to offer them up to their gods !

Now who was it that made up that the 6 million Jews killed was a Holocaust ? well it was the so called Zionist ! for this was the workings of their gods in fact ! and anyone who calls such a Burnt offering is a ( Holocaust ) is giving Power to such gods in fact ! for when one says such a thing one is serving them gods in fact ! So what one un knowingly is doing is giving thanks to a Burnt offering to Satanic gods in fact !

It was Genocide ! of the good Jews ! the ones who were a huge threat to the OT people of God. They were offered up ! it was all planed ! sure others like poofters etc were used as a scape goat for camoflage in their criminal actions, just so as to dupe the majority in the Game.

The Game is very well played out ! like an professional assassin, will never get caught and if he does such as he knows the laws that are set so, as to worm his way out of anything in fact.

Remember this world is full of deceptions and delusions in fact, it's the blind leading the blind !

Christ Jesus is the Light ! and carnal man has to hide for he loves the darkness in fact !

A mate of mine a Builder exposed this to me clearly where he was coming from ? he was truly possessed ! so I learnt a lot from his workings in how he truly ticked ? a weak excuse of a man, cunning self absorbed dog who only worked so as to undermine everyone, not to mention the total hatred of people who he could screw over ! then he became religious ? that made him only worse ! he had not changed his spots at all ! someone like Stalin with just only an Evil madness intent, for he thinks that everyone is just like himself or are ignorant idiots for falling for his games. come across many like him. but i did not understand where they were truly at, now I do understand such peoples actions and can work them out where they are truly coming from.

How did Hitler save Germany from 200% inflation ? how did Germany get into the mess of 200% inflation ?
Hitler turned the Nation around so quickly to become a Power house ! Who gave him the money ? Rothschild's and Co ? Zionist money ?
Hitler was the biggest Idiot during the War in fact, a outright Tratior to Germanys people in fact all of his acts were insaine, clearly he wanted to kill every German in fact ! This bastard Austrian was a Curse on everyone ! so was Stalin and China Communist was created by who and powered up for what ? Dominating over everyone like a mongrel dog !

We all know that Jesus rebuked the Hypocritical scribes and Pharisees, so there can be no mistake that the Talmud was written by these people.

Whether or not Hitler was connected to the Zionists,But conspiracy theories are not universally believed, even though it may be true.

In short, the Jews have embarked on an unimagined path, especially the Zionists, which is neither about the prophecy coming true, Nor is it about the Messiah who greets them, as they continue to write their own Bible in their own way.If they don't wake up, God will always hide his face from them, for such a special people,This is pitiful and sadly.

Pray for them to open their eyes.

 

[soberxp]

My bible is the narrow gate?

Of course.

 

[Lizbeth]

Whether or not the temple is rebuilt .........
that which is of anti christ is already at work
and both the massive amount of gentiles , YES EVEN CHRISTENDOM , and the massive amount of jews who follow not CHRIST
are already , in some measure UNDER ITS INFLUENCE .
and that influence IS GROWING both in numbers and IN DARKNESS .
You would be amazed at how new age inclusive even the tamlud and secular jews ALREADY ARE
AND EVEN MANY within christendom itself sister .
I have noticed THE ONE THING they all have in common
its a form of a love and that love is having them find common ground to be as one people on mutter earth .
What a lot of folks dont realize is
The natural jews are as wicked as is the rest of the lost world and its nations .
THEY love abominations and hate GOD as much as anyone else who is lost .
A UNIFYER HAS COME . and its NO UNIFYING spirit , or love , THAT ANYONE should ever have desired to sit under .
But sister , I CANNOT STOP IT . the more i warn , IT JUST KEEPS INCREASING .
I already knew i never could stop it sister . But i did what i did for the sakes of the people anyway . AT least some heard .
maybe more will . But we just in the very last days now sister and times will continue to get more deceptive and far worse .

I got to know and discern the Jews very well, religious and non-religious....worked among and for Jewish folks in close quarters for a number of years, including holocaust survivors. They are a unique people, still have gifts/callings, and the Lord is still reaching His hand out to them in His love and mercy. I know what it feels like to long for their salvation as Paul did, could almost wish oneself to be lost that they might be saved. That is the Father's love and longing for His prodigal sons to return home.

Yes, the lost are very lost, fallen human nature is what it is, for both Jew and Gentile. Like everyone there is mixture of good and evil. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. People dabble in all kinds of ways and means, thinking they can find what they are looking for on their own without Christ....seeking to establish their own righteousness. The way that seemeth right to man......deceptive false unity and inclusiveness, proceeding from one's own righteousness...trying to build a tower to reach heaven that way....it almost seems to characterize lostness (and likewise apostasy) and has been around for a very long time.

No one can stop it, except Jesus. He stops it one soul at a time who comes to His light, and He will stop it for good in the end. The gospel and truth has always been for whosoever will...whoever is foreknown by God, and scripture says only a remnant will be saved.