If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.
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You could literally quote Jesus, Paul, Hebrews, Galatians, and Romans word-for-word, and the second it threatens their Scofield-fueled fantasy world? BOOM — they slam the “REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!!!” alarm like it’s the Rapture fire drill they’ve been practicing since 1972.
It’s not an argument. It’s a panic reflex.
What it really means is:
“You just quoted the Bible in context and I don’t know how to respond without my Scofield footnotes, so I’m going to scream ‘HERESY!’ and hope you go away.”
Most of them don’t really know the Gospel — they know charts, buzzwords, and fear-based fiction.
And the irony? These people are the real "replacers".
They’ve replaced Jesus with a modern political state that rejects His resurrection and mocks His name.
They’ve replaced the Gospel with a rapture countdown.
They’ve replaced the Church with a future ethnic remnant — despite everything Paul and Hebrews clearly teach.
And the moment you say -- “All the promises are fulfilled in Christ,” they act like you just punched their golden calf and set fire to their prophecy charts.
They scream about “Replacement Theology” the way a vampire screams at sunlight.
Not because it’s false — but because it exposes the lie, and deep down, they know it.
Dispensationalism is exactly why millions of bright, thinking young adults walk away from the Church.
They open the Bible.
They read the words of Jesus — “love your enemies,” “the Kingdom is here,” “blessed are the peacemakers.”
They see grace, truth, beauty, and freedom.
And then from the pulpit they get hit with:
“Actually, Jesus can’t return until we help start World War III, rebuild a third temple, and make sure billions of people die in a nuclear firestorm — and then, finally, Jesus might land on the Mount of Olives in a golden F-16 and pass out altar calls to whoever survived, even though Revelation says He’s already reigning; and Hebrews says the covenant is already fulfilled' but shhhh, just go with it.”
So how can you blame them? What’s being preached from far too many pulpits doesn’t resemble the New Testament in any way, shape, or form.
To these kids — the ones who actually read their Bibles — the whole thing?
It doesn’t sound like the Gospel.
It sounds like a doomsday cult that hijacked Christianity and wrapped it in prophecy charts. (Which is exactly what it is.)
This wasn’t handed down by the apostles.
It wasn’t taught by Christ.
It was cooked up 1,800 years after the resurrection — by John Nelson Darby, a separatist mystic whose doctrines read like he wrote a fanfiction prequel to Revelation while ignoring Paul, deleting Hebrews, and pretending Christ hadn’t already fulfilled the covenants.
Not one word of it is rooted in the Gospel.
It’s not truth. It’s a plague on the Gospel — and it’s time the Church cast it out like leprosy.
It’s not an argument. It’s a panic reflex.
What it really means is:
“You just quoted the Bible in context and I don’t know how to respond without my Scofield footnotes, so I’m going to scream ‘HERESY!’ and hope you go away.”
Most of them don’t really know the Gospel — they know charts, buzzwords, and fear-based fiction.
And the irony? These people are the real "replacers".
They’ve replaced Jesus with a modern political state that rejects His resurrection and mocks His name.
They’ve replaced the Gospel with a rapture countdown.
They’ve replaced the Church with a future ethnic remnant — despite everything Paul and Hebrews clearly teach.
And the moment you say -- “All the promises are fulfilled in Christ,” they act like you just punched their golden calf and set fire to their prophecy charts.
They scream about “Replacement Theology” the way a vampire screams at sunlight.
Not because it’s false — but because it exposes the lie, and deep down, they know it.
Dispensationalism is exactly why millions of bright, thinking young adults walk away from the Church.
They open the Bible.
They read the words of Jesus — “love your enemies,” “the Kingdom is here,” “blessed are the peacemakers.”
They see grace, truth, beauty, and freedom.
And then from the pulpit they get hit with:
“Actually, Jesus can’t return until we help start World War III, rebuild a third temple, and make sure billions of people die in a nuclear firestorm — and then, finally, Jesus might land on the Mount of Olives in a golden F-16 and pass out altar calls to whoever survived, even though Revelation says He’s already reigning; and Hebrews says the covenant is already fulfilled' but shhhh, just go with it.”
So how can you blame them? What’s being preached from far too many pulpits doesn’t resemble the New Testament in any way, shape, or form.
To these kids — the ones who actually read their Bibles — the whole thing?
It doesn’t sound like the Gospel.
It sounds like a doomsday cult that hijacked Christianity and wrapped it in prophecy charts. (Which is exactly what it is.)
This wasn’t handed down by the apostles.
It wasn’t taught by Christ.
It was cooked up 1,800 years after the resurrection — by John Nelson Darby, a separatist mystic whose doctrines read like he wrote a fanfiction prequel to Revelation while ignoring Paul, deleting Hebrews, and pretending Christ hadn’t already fulfilled the covenants.
Not one word of it is rooted in the Gospel.
It’s not truth. It’s a plague on the Gospel — and it’s time the Church cast it out like leprosy.
Hitler was just as Talmud Jew !
Hitler got his orders and was put into his possition from the Talmud Whore inspired Mob, One Lord Rothschild is and his Co of big Bankers who are not worthy of Christ Jesus for a fact ! but their History is one of undermining hard working people clearly in a Satanic way ! Grace does not abound with such as them in their Games.
Sure they who work so as to dominat over all are Smart ! and the majority are of this world, as Jesus said, This world is Full of Deceptions and Delusions !
Get that ? that's a Key issue !
Communism was clearly created by the Talmud as well, and I have come across such as Communist claims are as the Bible says ? but no Communist ever has the Grace of God in fact ! for Communist are only Carnal Dupes that are all about being on a mans works Game play, they only wish so as to Dominate over everyone like a mongrel dog in fact !
But one of Grace lets our Saviour do the works in us because we know he is our Lord ! for we do not abide in Mans works because that ends, is what is called Lost !
Hitler is only peddling the same trash as the Talmud does ! such is totaly Satanic workings in fact, and then we come to the so called Jew ? Well the Talmud is no friend to the foundations of Gods People at all in fact ! just as the Golden Calf had nothing to do with God ! but they of the Golden Calf are a works of Man !
Mans works are that of a Beast ! No Grace !
If one has no Grace you are a Beast ! = Lost ! for Their is no salvation in one without Grace !
Hitler and his Talmud Whore Lords only worked so as to Dupe the People with what ever cards they could play. They stoped the Jewish News Papers from printing and only alowed the Zionist News Papers to print in fact ! So as to push a one sided propagander over the German Jews in fact ! For the majority of Jews in Germany hated the so called Zionist ! because they were not that stupid to swallow that so called Zionst crap ! So this did not work against the Jews, so the German Jews became a huge Threat to the so called Zionist in fact !
That's why the so called Zionist had to offer them up to their gods !
Now who was it that made up that the 6 million Jews killed was a Holocaust ? well it was the so called Zionist ! for this was the workings of their gods in fact ! and anyone who calls such a Burnt offering is a ( Holocaust ) is giving Power to such gods in fact ! for when one says such a thing one is serving them gods in fact ! So what one un knowingly is doing is giving thanks to a Burnt offering to Satanic gods in fact !
It was Genocide ! of the good Jews ! the ones who were a huge threat to the OT people of God. They were offered up ! it was all planed ! sure others like poofters etc were used as a scape goat for camoflage in their criminal actions, just so as to dupe the majority in the Game.
The Game is very well played out ! like an professional assassin, will never get caught and if he does such as he knows the laws that are set so, as to worm his way out of anything in fact.
Remember this world is full of deceptions and delusions in fact, it's the blind leading the blind !
Christ Jesus is the Light ! and carnal man has to hide for he loves the darkness in fact !
A mate of mine a Builder exposed this to me clearly where he was coming from ? he was truly possessed ! so I learnt a lot from his workings in how he truly ticked ? a weak excuse of a man, cunning self absorbed dog who only worked so as to undermine everyone, not to mention the total hatred of people who he could screw over ! then he became religious ? that made him only worse ! he had not changed his spots at all ! someone like Stalin with just only an Evil madness intent, for he thinks that everyone is just like himself or are ignorant idiots for falling for his games. come across many like him. but i did not understand where they were truly at, now I do understand such peoples actions and can work them out where they are truly coming from.
How did Hitler save Germany from 200% inflation ? how did Germany get into the mess of 200% inflation ?
Hitler turned the Nation around so quickly to become a Power house ! Who gave him the money ? Rothschild's and Co ? Zionist money ?
Hitler was the biggest Idiot during the War in fact, a outright Tratior to Germanys people in fact all of his acts were insaine, clearly he wanted to kill every German in fact ! This bastard Austrian was a Curse on everyone ! so was Stalin and China Communist was created by who and powered up for what ? Dominating over everyone like a mongrel dog !
Absolutely — and I actually agree with what you just said more than you might realize.
Peter did declare the open door to salvation for “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2. And that door was through Christ, not through Zionist politics or a future military state.
That’s the whole point: there was no postponement.
Salvation came to Israel right then — on Pentecost — and it’s been open to all ever since, to the Jew first, and then the Gentile.
So if that's true (and it is), then why do so many Christians today act like God is still holding something back for ethnic Israel to be fulfilled at some future date?
That’s the exact false framework of Dispensationalism — pretending that Jesus didn’t already fulfill the covenants and that modern Israel still has a separate “destiny” apart from Him.
Peter wasn't pointing them to a future nation-state. He was pointing them to the cross — and saying “Repent, be baptized, and you will receive the promise.”
Not “someday.” Not “after WWIII.” Not “once the third temple is rebuilt.”
Now. Through Christ. Through His blood. Through the New Covenant.
So again — if anyone is preaching that modern Israel is the key to prophecy, or that the Jewish people will be saved outside of Christ at some future date... They’re not preaching the Gospel. They’re preaching Scofield.
You said it yourself: no postponement.
So let’s stop treating a secular state founded in 1948 as if it’s the ark of God’s covenant. The real ark was already broken open 2,000 years ago — at the cross.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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You are 100% accurate concerning the Gospel = "Jew first and also to the Gentile"
You are only 66.6% accurate concerning the Jews = according to Scripture
FYI - i am NOT a Dispensationalist and they do not like me for i expose their heresies
Now meditate on the Truth that you correctly stated:
#1 - JESUS is the Open Door for all who come to HIM
#2 - JESUS/Salvation came to the Jews the moment the WORD became flesh inside Mary(Jew)
#3 - JESUS/Salvation will RETURN to Israel and RESCUE only those Jews who are appointed for SALVATION
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David in NJ
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@marks = SEE Galatians ch3
Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”
9So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if you are Christ’s, then you(Saved Gentiles)are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
No — your Bible is not the narrow gate.
Jesus Christ is.
Not your footnotes. Not your timelines. Not your Scofield Study Bible held together with tape and denial.
If you think the “narrow path” is paved with prophecy charts, Israel flags, red heifer updates, and WWIII enthusiasm, then you’re not following Jesus — you’re following a death cult with a cross necklace.
The body of Christ has been hijacked.
Hijacked by a theology that replaced the Gospel with a doomsday countdown, replaced Jesus with a flag, and replaced the Church with a future ethnic remnant that supposedly inherits everything without even believing in the Son of God.
This isn’t Christianity.
It’s end-times Zionist cosplay.
It’s a golden calf made out of political ideology and Dispensationalist fiction.
And the worst part? They're calling it "holy".
They cheer for global collapse like it’s obedience.
They call for world war like it’s prophecy.
And they preach a return of Christ that depends on death, destruction, and temple construction — instead of the cross.
That’s not the narrow gate. That’s the wide road — the one Jesus said leads to destruction.
He’s already reigning.
The Kingdom is now.
And the only thing being “postponed” is your repentance — because you’re too busy worshipping at the altar of Scofield to recognize the King you claim to serve.
Burn the charts.
Tear down the idols.
Open your Bible without the filter.
And walk through the gate before it’s too late.
Jesus Christ is.
Not your footnotes. Not your timelines. Not your Scofield Study Bible held together with tape and denial.
If you think the “narrow path” is paved with prophecy charts, Israel flags, red heifer updates, and WWIII enthusiasm, then you’re not following Jesus — you’re following a death cult with a cross necklace.
The body of Christ has been hijacked.
Hijacked by a theology that replaced the Gospel with a doomsday countdown, replaced Jesus with a flag, and replaced the Church with a future ethnic remnant that supposedly inherits everything without even believing in the Son of God.
This isn’t Christianity.
It’s end-times Zionist cosplay.
It’s a golden calf made out of political ideology and Dispensationalist fiction.
And the worst part? They're calling it "holy".
They cheer for global collapse like it’s obedience.
They call for world war like it’s prophecy.
And they preach a return of Christ that depends on death, destruction, and temple construction — instead of the cross.
That’s not the narrow gate. That’s the wide road — the one Jesus said leads to destruction.
He’s already reigning.
The Kingdom is now.
And the only thing being “postponed” is your repentance — because you’re too busy worshipping at the altar of Scofield to recognize the King you claim to serve.
Burn the charts.
Tear down the idols.
Open your Bible without the filter.
And walk through the gate before it’s too late.
David in NJ
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It has been highjacked by the Baptists/Dispensationalists/Pentecostals/USA christianity and most denominations
The GOOD NEWS is that the Gospel is still preached
Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16[c]The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel.
18What then?
Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.
I appreciate the tone and the honesty — but what you’re describing in #3 is still a postponed fulfillment narrative, even if you’re not calling it Dispensationalism.
Saying “Jesus will return to rescue the Jews appointed for salvation” implies two dangerous things:
1. That salvation is still owed to some ethnic remnant in a special way.
2. That Christ’s finished work wasn’t the complete fulfillment of God’s promises.
But that’s not what Scripture teaches.
Jesus isn’t returning to “resume” something for Israel.
He’s returning to judge the nations and gather His people — all those in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, who entered through the narrow gate of His blood.
Paul didn’t say, “To the Jew first… and then later again.”
He said “To the Jew first, and also to the Gentile.” Past tense initiated. Ongoing invitation. One Gospel. One body. One covenant.
If Christ is the fulfillment of the covenants — and He is — then there’s nothing left for Israel outside of Him.
So again, I ask:
If salvation already came in Christ, and Peter already invited “all the house of Israel” in…
Then what exactly are you waiting for?
David in NJ
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This is Scripturrally inaccurate.
Do you believe the words of the LORD Jesus Christ?
The reason why such people are all wound up with demanding the 2ed coming is truly because they are not born again ! for they are looking for Salvation, because they do not have it !
They Idolise so called Jews !
I have a Jewish sirname and many such who Idolise the so called Jews, funny enough do not Idolise me ! and some demand that I am not a Christian ! Your a Jew ! they demand !
So who are they truly Idolising in fact ?
The Golden Calf Mob ? They would clearly kill Holy Moses in fact ! Yes they were Jews but as well but as with anyone who is carnal or religious Carnal dupes who are not truly born again of the Holy Spirit in fact !
So such people regardless be it Jew of not are of the Flesh ? regardless such a one would or could be tempted to Kill Jesus !
So in reality it's nothing to do with Jews etc but truly that one has come to understand that Jesus is the Christ and to abide in him, Period ! that is the real issue ! That your eyes are open to this world and it's deceptions !
What does it matter if one is born again, that the 2ed coming takes place ? Nothing ! because if you are truly Saved Now ! you can not be Saved a 2ed time in fact ! The Second coming is that all will be saved after but the Hellfire comes first ? but if anyone wants to do it that way one is of Satan !
The way I see it is to have people come to Jesus the same way as I did ! or would I wish for the Hellfire like all of the Satanist want.
So if we had the majority on Track, we need not the Hellfire in fact !
The Hellfire only comes because of Satanist want it.
Then we have the total BS of the Rapture nonsense played ? that is a game played for gutless people, for they think they are not going to get burnt ! so they do lead to evil intent on other people !
I do not wish people to be going through the Hellfire ! regardless ! for I know just as Jesus said, for they know not what they do ?
Did Jesus want harm on anyone ? No !
God's Laws are set and we can follow or reject, but if we reject it's this who bring evil on others !
Do the right thing and all is good ! do the wrong thing and people get bitten.
David in NJ
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Titus 2:13 - "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"
1 Thess 1:10 - and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
Revelation 22:20 - "He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
Amen.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
Absolutely I believe the words of the Lord Jesus Christ.
That’s why I reject the idea that salvation for Israel is still “on pause.”
Let’s go straight to Jesus’ own words, since you asked:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” — Matthew 5:17
“It is finished.” — John 19:30
“The Kingdom of God is at hand.” — Mark 1:15
“My Kingdom is not of this world.” — John 18:36
“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” — John 14:6
Jesus didn’t say, “I’ll come back later and finish saving Israel differently.”
He said the door is open now — and the only way in is through Him.
Paul didn’t preach a second plan.
Hebrews didn’t leave room for a delayed fulfillment.
Peter didn’t say, “Later, guys — we’ll circle back to Israel in 2,000 years.”
So if you’re still waiting for some national ethnic rescue plan —
You’re not believing Jesus.
You’re believing John Nelson Darby’s 19th-century Irish fantasy —
Propped up by Scofield’s footnotes
And wrapped in political idolatry.
That’s not faith.
That’s fiction.
And it’s leading people away from the very Christ they claim to serve.
So yes — I believe the words of Jesus.
Enough to call out the counterfeit gospels that try to replace Him.
David in NJ
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Let's SEE if you TRULY believe the words of CHRIST
Matthew 23:37-39
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
David in NJ
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No, not "Be where?"
but
BEWARE the devil who roams about seeking whom he may devour
and
BE AWARE of any deception you are under by testing every word by the WORD
Berean
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That isn't the point. Judas is not mentioned in the prophecy of betraying Jesus. What Old Testament prophecy specifically states "And a man name Judas will betray the Messiah for 30 pieces of gold"?
David in NJ
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Are you alluding to the "narrow gate" being the same as the "narrow path"?
JESUS went to Heaven so where is the "narrow path" to follow, since JESUS is not here?
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