Trump Moving Too Fast?

[Scott Downey]

Markets trade on emotions, stocks never stand still.
This is not economic Armageddon much as those who short the markets want you to think.

And other countries are now wanting to negotiate with Trump to reduce Tariffs to zero. I read Vietnam says if they remove their tariffs on US products, will Trump lower tariffs on their goods sold here, and Trump has said, yes, open for negotiations.

A long time have other countries tariffed our products. The only thing people understand as a driving force for economic change is money and business deals.

I hope tariffs on both sides come down soon.

 

[talons]

Just going to throw this in here to chew on , but stuff we already know .

Looking for an American-made vehicle? How the automakers stack up

USA TODAY analyzed National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports to determine whether any vehicles are fully made in America.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Scott Downey]

Thank you for your post.

Help me understand why the prices of cars made in the U.S will increase.

Peace.

Source cost of parts made here are likely to be higher. Labor costs in US are higher. New cars, I am never in the market to buy new, I have always bought used cars. I can see how automation, as in AI robots could seriously improve productivity and competitiveness of goods produced in the US. Nvidia and Tesla moving hard in that direction, more so than before. Smarter robots, don't have to be paid wages, they do require a different kind of 'medical' care, they don't have retirement costs and don't need to take leave from work unless they break.

We are in a new revolution for robotics for decades to come, AI as we know it is infantile.

If the Lord waits, 20 years from now will bring so many technology changes, and the future is as far as your own imagination. Products will keep obsoleting and need to be upgraded.

Meanwhile countries that are super impoverished won't experience the same as countries that are allowed to develop their technology. From what I read; they keep finding superior amounts of resource raw materials for things to keep on progressing like they are. God made this an abundant world. But people are still evil minded towards each other and Christ and God.

I doubt we ever leave this earth to colonize say Mars, I guess it's possible we could do so on the moon being 3 days away, but question is why bother.


Isaiah 45:18
For thus says the Lord, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “I am the Lord, and there is no other.

 

[Behold]

Trump's communication team has decided always be on offense.

The only issue, is that Trump's communication team, is facing a 95% USA News media that is against everything He does.

Fox and NewsMaxx........are the 5% that support Trump on TV....., and then on Utube you have "Tucker Carlson" and "Meygyn Kelly"... vs, basically the rest of U-tube that Hates Trump.

If you go to "overseas media" TV... then its now become basically about a 98% "anti Trump", including the BBC and "Sky News Australia", and Germany's "DW" news"....because nearly every foreign country is now being assaulted by the Trump Tariff Rockets, except for Israel.

I was pleased that the USA Treasury Secretary is out there smiling and looking confident.. = Calming down that Stock Market Crash mania that happened yesterday that lost a lot of money..

 

[Scott Downey]

MSN

President Donald Trump's "Art of the Deal" appears to be playing out right before our eyes, as multiple countries now want to charge the U.S. zero tariffs in exchange for the same in America's market.

And the president has indicated he's open to that.

On Wednesday, Trump rolled out a new tariff policy, charging dozens of countries essentially half what his administration calculates, on average, they are imposing on the United States.


Further, he said, there will be a 10 percent baseline tariff across the board.

Trump called it a “kind reciprocal tariff” policy, saying he would be embarrassed to charge the full amount some other countries are imposing on U.S. goods.

The U.S. stock market has taken a major hit over the last two days, but Trump is sticking to his guns, saying on Thursday, “The rest of the world wants to see is there any way to make a deal.”

 

[Rockerduck]

Just going to throw this in here to chew on , but stuff we already know .

Looking for an American-made vehicle? How the automakers stack up

USA TODAY analyzed National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports to determine whether any vehicles are fully made in America.

www.usatoday.com

So, Tesla, Honda, and Jeep are the most American cars. Rich people will buy what they want, it does not matter the cost of vehicle. The Mega rich will get their cars free, because they know the owners.

 

[Lambano]

Or, we're talking 1929 again.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Thank you for your post.

Help me understand why the prices of cars made in the U.S will increase.

Peace.

Well, because a 25% tariff of all imported automobiles and parts means that everything coming into the county will cost 25% more to the suppliers (dealerships, parts retailers), and unless those suppliers wish to simply eat that cost, they will have to raise their prices to pass the expense along to us and still make the same amount of profit. There is speculation about how much they may need to eat themselves to still make their prices attractive to the customer, but there is likely no way they can simply eat all of it, so chances are every vehicle on the lot will be between $2,000 and $4,000 dollars more expensive come May 4th.

 

[Scott Downey]

Hmm, 1929 also killed employment, we just added lots of new jobs in the latest report.

 

[CadyandZoe]

But there's always that x-factor of things we can't foresee.

This sentiment resonates deeply with many of us. As we navigate our daily lives and embrace our faith, one of our greatest challenges is to fully trust in God—believing that the universe will reveal itself in perfect alignment with His divine plan. It's a reminder that amidst our struggles and uncertainties, we must have faith that everything will unfold just as it is meant to, guided by a higher purpose.

Despite everything he did for the US economy from 2016 through 2020, Covid forced the planet into a borrowing spree that... and I hate to say this, but almost doomed the planet financially in the long run. Nations have traditionally taken more than a half century to get out from under the kind of debt load some nations have now accrued, and the problem is it's almost worldwide...

Former President Trump makes a valid point when he argues that it was shortsighted of us to overlook China's actions for so many years. We operated under the assumption that by investing in and promoting the development of a capitalist economy in China, they would respond with goodwill and reciprocity. However, it's crucial to recognize that engaging in business with China essentially means engaging in business with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). From the CCP’s perspective, trade is not merely a means of mutual benefit but rather a strategy of warfare, where the goal is to gain an advantage rather than foster cooperation.

I guess I'd say if anyone can pull a rabbit out of hat economically here it would be Trump (at least as far as national leaders go). My question is will he, or will what's coming be more than what even he can surmount, despite his best efforts at trying to resurrect US manufacturing.

He has a good track record. Even so, our challenge is to place our cares on the Lord above. :)

 

[Hidden In Him]

MSN
President Donald Trump's "Art of the Deal" appears to be playing out right before our eyes, as multiple countries now want to charge the U.S. zero tariffs in exchange for the same in America's market.

Ok, now this is good news. Also makes you wonder what sort of compensation he could potentially have in store to the US buyer if our foreign importers don't comply in a similar manner. The CNN piece I read said he was threatening US companies not to raise their prices, but that sounds like a smear and possibly not the truth.

Thanks for posting this. I makes the picture a lot brighter all of a sudden.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Let me start this thread by saying I have always been a Trump supporter where most of his policies were concerned, and I am completely behind things like DOGE and the dismantling of the DEI. But is he making the right move slapping a 25% tariff on foreign made cars and parts? The idea is to make things tougher on foreign producers while rekindling the American automobile industry again. But will it pay off, or will this go down as the one big move Trump made early on that came back to bite Americans really hard? I had a friend who receives prophetic dreams send me word about a month ago that the Lord spoke to him early one morning and said, "Trump is burning America." I just said, "Hmm... Let's hope that means in a good way," but inside I was thinking, "But it doesn't sound like it." Now that I am seeing how fast he is moving on plans like the tariff deal, I'm wondering if it is. As the old saying goes, sometimes good intentions can pave the way to Hell.

Open to opinions of all varieties, but I will state the case of just how destructive this move could actually end up being. And please keep in mind this is not a politically-motivated discussion. I support the man personally, but I never support any human being blindly, nor do I ever just go along with the status quo. Everyone on board the Titanic was convinced they were unsinkable until they started taking on water. I state my biggest concern with the whole thing in Post #3.

Blessings in Christ, and thanks for reading.
Hidden in Him

These are not knee-jerk decisions, they have been well thought out - for years _ by financial wizards!
Trumpwas a little naive in his 1st term, too lenient and trusting those he should not have.
Reciprocal tariffs are fair and can lead to free trade. Lower yours, we will lower ours.
China is not wise to respond negatively; but that was also anticipated. I always thought we should wean ourselves off Chinese products. So this is a start, to reverse the course of dependence on China back to where we used to be.
50% of what Americans buy is imported. In the 60's, most of what we bought was made in the USA. Not that we should go that far, but we should become less dependant on Chinese products and get back to manufacturing in the USA. Of course there are ripples in this transition ... and corrections in the markets.
After an adjustment period ( and/or cooperarion), we can then say to China - we don't need you anymore. We can do that quickly, in 5 - 10 years... though I suspect the Lord will return before that - which is why most of these moves are less important the spiritual war we are in.
Still, the spiritual is manifest in the physical and the end times are upon us.
How quickly do we move against the Houthis? Trump will not mess around. He'll come down hard on anyone. He gave Iran a warning. Frankly, they are the head of the snake and so I wonder why Israel has restrained themselves from just taking out Iran ( who has for decades waged thos proxy war against them)? Obliterate their nuclear and weapons factories, entire military
Give them what the deserve. I think now with Trump's support - they will. They need our bunker busters, the 30k lb.GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) and our planes to deliver them.
Israel has attempted peace five times since 1969 - but some countries just refuse. Sometimes peace only comes after the war is over. Iran can't annihilation to Israel AND to the USA. So either it's them or us. As far as Russia/Ukraine goes, it is like making a dea with the Devil. Putin is Satan's puppet. Zelenski isn't much better. It will all pan out soon. Personally, I think Trump was appointed ( not so much ti MAGA); but to expose evil, thwart the Antichrist ( and his Globalist agenda) and to be the Lord's advocate to carry us through the Great Tribulation.

 

[Rockerduck]

Well, because a 25% tariff of all imported automobiles and parts means that everything coming into the county will cost 25% more to the suppliers (dealerships, parts retailers), and unless those suppliers wish to simply eat that cost, they will have to raise their prices to pass the expense along to us and still make the same amount of profit. There is speculation about how much they may need to eat themselves to still make their prices attractive to the customer, but there is likely no way they can simply eat all of it, so chances are every vehicle on the lot will be between $2,000 and $4,000 dollars more expensive come May 4th.

They have to eat it or lay off employees. The USA has plenty of used vehicles for sale.

 

[Hidden In Him]

This sentiment resonates deeply with many of us. As we navigate our daily lives and embrace our faith, one of our greatest challenges is to fully trust in God—believing that the universe will reveal itself in perfect alignment with His divine plan. It's a reminder that amidst our struggles and uncertainties, we must have faith that everything will unfold just as it is meant to, guided by a higher purpose.

Glorious.

Former President Trump makes a valid point when he argues that it was shortsighted of us to overlook China's actions for so many years. We operated under the assumption that by investing in and promoting the development of a capitalist economy in China, they would respond with goodwill and reciprocity. However, it's crucial to recognize that engaging in business with China essentially means engaging in business with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). From the CCP’s perspective, trade is not merely a means of mutual benefit but rather a strategy of warfare, where the goal is to gain an advantage rather than foster cooperation.

Oh, no. I fully agree. Like I was saying, 40 or 20 years ago I would be completely in support of this move. We've been taken advantage of for decades. Nor am I really against the move itself at all. I'm simply concerned with if it will work now. It assumes the economy will be strong enough in another four or five years to justify a large rebuild of automobile manufacturing in the United States.

He has a good track record. Even so, our challenge is to place our cares on the Lord above. :)

I like this post as well. Very positive. Despite my concerns, I always bounce back to this eventually. I would feel bad for what might be coming to the average Joe, but for myself I fully believe He will provide. I do wonder if buying a new car on such a limited income is wise at the moment, given that we're both retirement age and no retirement to fall back on really, but I'm trusting in the Lord regardless. I always have and things have always gone much better than expected when I just kept putting Him first in my life.

Blessings, and good word. Nice way to start the day.
- H

 

[Hidden In Him]

They have to eat it or lay off employees. The USA has plenty of used vehicles for sale.

Yes, but I think everything would naturally go up if new car prices were to, based on the principle of supply and demand.

 

[Hidden In Him]

These are not knee-jerk decisions, they have been well thought out - for years _ by financial wizards!
Trumpwas a little naive in his 1st term, too lenient and trusting those he should not have.
Reciprocal tariffs are fair and can lead to free trade. Lower yours, we will lower ours.
China is not wise to respond negatively; but that was also anticipated. I always thought we should wean ourselves off Chinese products. So this is a start, to reverse the course of dependence on China back to where we used to be.
50% of what Americans buy is imported. In the 60's, most of what we bought was made in the USA. Not that we should go that far, but we should become less dependant on Chinese products and get back to manufacturing in the USA. Of course there are ripples in this transition ... and corrections in the markets.
After an adjustment period ( and/or cooperarion), we can then say to China - we don't need you anymore. We can do that quickly, in 5 - 10 years... though I suspect the Lord will return before that - which is why most of these moves are less important the spiritual war we are in.
Still, the spiritual is manifest in the physical and the end times are upon us.
How quickly do we move against the Houthis? Trump will not mess around. He'll come down hard on anyone. He gave Iran a warning. Frankly, they are the head of the snake and so I wonder why Israel has restrained themselves from just taking out Iran ( who has for decades waged thos proxy war against them)? Obliterate their nuclear and weapons factories, entire military
Give them what the deserve. I think now with Trump's support - they will. They need our bunker busters, the 30k lb.GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) and our planes to deliver them.
Israel has attempted peace five times since 1969 - but some countries just refuse. Sometimes peace only comes after the war is over. Iran can't annihilation to Israel AND to the USA. So either it's them or us. As far as Russia/Ukraine goes, it is like making a dea with the Devil. Putin is Satan's puppet. Zelenski isn't much better. It will all pan out soon. Personally, I think Trump was appointed ( not so much ti MAGA); but to expose evil, thwart the Antichrist ( and his Globalist agenda) and to be the Lord's advocate to carry us through the Great Tribulation.

Blessings. Ronald.

I have a dog that won't leave me alone about getting his morning Milk Bone (I usually wake up pretty late like this, and today was no exception), so I'll try and get back to this post later.

Hope you are well,
Hidden

 

[Hidden In Him]

After an adjustment period ( and/or cooperarion), we can then say to China - we don't need you anymore.

OK, Ronald. I read through your post, and I understand your view. But I still don't know that it has been as well thought out as maybe they think it has. China is now waging a tariff WAR, and they could turn around and say the same thing, "We don't need you either." Most of what they buy from us a food commodities, which I'm guessing the Trump Administration assumes the Chinese simply cannot do without. But what if they play hardball and go into greater alliance with Ukraine and/ or the Russians for food commodities, while if necessary telling their populace to simply tighten their belts, and that it's all Trump's fault. That makes them all hate us even more, and become even more resolute.

Let me comment on the news of the day here.

WASHINGTON, April 4 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said China "played it wrong" after Beijing retaliated against new U.S. tariffs, unveiling countermeasures that included additional duties of 34% on U.S. goods.
"China played it wrong, they panicked - the one thing they cannot afford to do!," Trump wrote in all caps in post on his social media platform.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-china-played-it-wrong-retaliation-against-us-tariffs-2025-04-04/

Ok, that Trump would say "China played it wrong," suggests he wasn't planning on them doing what they did, and he interpreted it as "panicking." What if wasn't panicking but a rather ticked off deliberate move because they are not up for being bullied?

That appears to be their response, and they may not be bluffing.

China’s Ministry of Commerce urged the U.S. to “immediately cancel” its unilateral tariff measures and vowed to take “resolute counter-measures” to safeguard its own rights and interests, after U.S. President Donald Trump announced what analysts described as the steepest tariff hikes in a century.

The Chinese official described the Trump administration’s decision to impose reciprocal tariffs as a “typical unilateral bullying practice,” adding that many countries have expressed “strong dissatisfaction and clear opposition.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/china-pledges-countermeasures-against-sweeping-us-tariffs-donald-trump.html

Most countries don't exactly know what to do yet, but Canada has also followed suit, and the general response so far has simply been to start raising prices, which will further undermine their own economies and affect the global economy.

Various countries are still deciding how to respond (or not), and companies have begun adjusting to the new reality — largely by raising prices. Some countries responded with new tariffs of their own: Canada announced new duties on certain vehicles imported from the US, and China announced that it will impose countermeasures against the US starting April 10, including a 34% tariff on US goods.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china-impose-tariffs-34-all-us-goods-april-10-2025-04-04/

And here is a statement that had me concerned as well, and why I started the thread:

"This is the single biggest trade action of our lifetime," Kelly Ann Shaw, a trade lawyer and former White House trade adviser during Trump's first term, told Reuters. Shaw added that while she expected the tariffs to evolve through negotiations, the new policy is "a pretty seismic and significant shift in the way that we trade with every country on earth."

https://www.reuters.com/world/china-impose-tariffs-34-all-us-goods-april-10-2025-04-04/

It could still work, but this is a MAJOR gamble. What if the nations don't back down, and they all start renegotiating with one another to stick it to us? Like a lot of the other moves Trump is making, this is playing hardball in the extreme, but he is playing with the entire world economy right now, and it's pretty darned amazing, LoL.

 

[quietthinker]

Trump Moving Too Fast?​

The World has turned a marked corner with the policies being implemented and pursued by Mr Trump. He is setting the stage for what is yet to unfold.

The bottom line is, its effects will influence decisions not anticipated.

 

[Taken]

Trump Moving Too Fast?​

No.

 

[Scott Downey]

OK, Ronald. I read through your post, and I understand your view. But I still don't know that it has been as well thought out as maybe they think it has. China is now waging a tariff WAR, and they could turn around and say the same thing, "We don't need you either." Most of what they buy from us a food commodities, which I'm guessing the Trump Administration assumes the Chinese simply cannot do without. But what if they play hardball and go into greater alliance with Ukraine and/ or the Russians for food commodities, while if necessary telling their populace to simply tighten their belts, and that it's all Trump's fault. That makes them all hate us even more, and become even more resolute.

Let me comment on the news of the day here.

WASHINGTON, April 4 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday said China "played it wrong" after Beijing retaliated against new U.S. tariffs, unveiling countermeasures that included additional duties of 34% on U.S. goods.
"China played it wrong, they panicked - the one thing they cannot afford to do!," Trump wrote in all caps in post on his social media platform.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-china-played-it-wrong-retaliation-against-us-tariffs-2025-04-04/

Ok, that Trump would say "China played it wrong," suggests he wasn't planning on them doing what they did, and he interpreted it as "panicking." What if wasn't panicking but a rather ticked off deliberate move because they are not up for being bullied?

That appears to be their response, and they may not be bluffing.

China’s Ministry of Commerce urged the U.S. to “immediately cancel” its unilateral tariff measures and vowed to take “resolute counter-measures” to safeguard its own rights and interests, after U.S. President Donald Trump announced what analysts described as the steepest tariff hikes in a century.

The Chinese official described the Trump administration’s decision to impose reciprocal tariffs as a “typical unilateral bullying practice,” adding that many countries have expressed “strong dissatisfaction and clear opposition.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/03/china-pledges-countermeasures-against-sweeping-us-tariffs-donald-trump.html

Most countries don't exactly know what to do yet, but Canada has also followed suit, and the general response so far has simply been to start raising prices, which will further undermine their own economies and affect the global economy.

Various countries are still deciding how to respond (or not), and companies have begun adjusting to the new reality — largely by raising prices. Some countries responded with new tariffs of their own: Canada announced new duties on certain vehicles imported from the US, and China announced that it will impose countermeasures against the US starting April 10, including a 34% tariff on US goods.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china-impose-tariffs-34-all-us-goods-april-10-2025-04-04/

And here is a statement that had me concerned as well, and why I started the thread:

"This is the single biggest trade action of our lifetime," Kelly Ann Shaw, a trade lawyer and former White House trade adviser during Trump's first term, told Reuters. Shaw added that while she expected the tariffs to evolve through negotiations, the new policy is "a pretty seismic and significant shift in the way that we trade with every country on earth."

https://www.reuters.com/world/china-impose-tariffs-34-all-us-goods-april-10-2025-04-04/

It could still work, but this is a MAJOR gamble. What if the nations don't back down, and they all start renegotiating with one another to stick it to us? Like a lot of the other moves Trump is making, this is playing hardball in the extreme, but he is playing with the entire world economy right now, and it's pretty darned amazing, LoL.

The US is a major huge market, and has good technology development. Other countries don't want to cut off trade with the US. Why do they tariff against the US products? I thought everyone always said US products cost too much to make in the US, there is a lot of falsehoods mixing in with truths about trade.