Lambano
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Is it?
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. - Genesis 2:7
Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?
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And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. - Genesis 2:7
Lambano
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Now you're just bragging.
You got the spiritual gifts; all I got was these good looks.
(Thud!)
Nah. Doesn't do a thing for me.
Lambano
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I've listened to a few testimonies in my time. Most testify they had no spirit descending on them like a dove, no dramatic voice from the sky saying, "It's hard for you to kick against the pricks". (An Acts 26:14 KJV reference, for those of you keeping score at home.) Maybe one had their heart "strangely warmed". (John Wesley allusion; we Methodists are pretty boring.) Most just testify that they ... just heard the Gospel and trusted Jesus.
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Aunty Jane
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2 Mac is not a canonical book.…it is only accepted by the Catholic church.
Abraham’s bosom is a position of favor with God.….nothing to do with heaven.
Matt 25:41 …the “everlasting fire“ is the “lake of fire” reserved for satan and his demons, but wicked and disobedient humans go there first. It’s called “the second death” because no one can be brought back from this death…it is permanent annihilation. There are no immortal souls…so you see there is nothing that survives death to go anywhere.
Where was it said to Adam that there would be a time when his life on earth would be over?
Where was Adam told about “heaven or hell“ as opposite destinations for the immortal soul he did not have?
You have no idea why humans were put on this earth in the first place…do you?
Where will I find that idea in Scripture? The person was the “soul”.
A “soul” is a “breather”…a creature who breathes air…..all the creatures that God created who breathe air, are called “souls” in Genesis….not just the humans.
Souls are not immortal….souls are mortal, which means that they die. (Ezek 18:4)
Adam was not “given” a soul when God started him breathing….he “became” one. (Gen 2:7)
None of that is true…there is no such thing as an immortal soul….there is not a single reference to an immortal soul in a single passage of scripture.……all souls are mortal because they all breathe. When breathing stops, the soul dies.
God created humans alone in his image, and everlasting life was held out to the first humans on the condition that they were obedient. Upon their disobedience, death came as a result of sin.…it spread and infected the entire human race. (Rom 5:12)
When death overtook humanity, we became like the animals because we all breath the same air.
Eccl 3:18-20….Solomon wrote….
”I also said in my heart about the sons of men that the true God will test them and show them that they are like animals, 19 for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.”
This was the belief that Jesus held as a Jew.
The “spirit” in man is the same as the “spirit” in animals …… it is “the breath of life” taken at birth, that makes a soul alive. Failure to breathe, causes death.….failure to keep on breathing causes death too….how many ways are there to die? Yet, what is the only way to live again…the Bible teaches that it is resurrection…..a return to life, not a continuation of it.
This is what Eccl 12:7 means….
”Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: as the spirit shall return to God Who gave it"
The “spirit” in this verse is not the “soul”….these are two different words with two completely different meanings, which were lost when the RCC adopted the idea of an immortal soul.
When physical death takes place, the body breaks down and decays, but the only way to restore the “spirit” or to restore “the breath of life”, is by resurrection. God gives the soul a new body and restores his spirit or breath so he can live again.
There is no limbo…no purgatory…and no hell.…because there is no immortal soul to experience those things.
Aunty Jane
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Taken
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Yes.
Physical body Life is Blood.
Soul Life is Gods Breath.
Yes.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, (Period. mankind of Completely Formed BODY.)
And Then…
and (conjunction)
breathed into his (Formed) nostrils
the breath of life; and man became a living soul. - Genesis 2:7
Body…Form /Shape
Soul…Life from God
Purpose? Communication.
(Form-ING) Bodys do not communicate.
(Dead) Bodys do not communicate.
Communication Of the Body, requires a Living Soul “in” the body.
Communication of the Living soul, departed OUT of a Dead Body, continues with Life and the Ability to Communicate.
Communication?
Seeing, hearing, uttering sounds, tasting, smelling, touch/ feel, emotion/feel.
(Not IN the womb, Not After bodily Death).
A “PERSON”, is a Man-Kind of being, with an alive Body and Living Soul IN the Body.
(The Body and the Soul of a Person have the Same “Identity” / Name. )
All souls and it’s Life, belong to God.
Man can Kill a Body, but can Not Kill a Soul.
A “Cadaver”, is a physically dead body of a Man-Kind of being, “without” a soul IN the Body.
When a Body physically Dies, (it is buried or cremated, by other men), the Living Soul departs Out of the Body, and continues Living.
If that soul “is saved” it continues living “with” God, and His Comfort, in Heaven.
If that soul “is not saved” it continues living “Without” Gods Comfort, in Hell.
(Each, are waiting for Judgement/Sentencing Day).
Saved? It will continue Living forever.
Not Saved? It’s Life will return to God,
and the Life-LESS Body, and Life-LESS soul…Destroyed in Fire and Forgotten.
(Similar for Animal-Kind of Being).
Formed body and Receives soul, soul departs at bodily death (it a “carcass”).
It’s soul, at Gods notion, to save or not.
Animals can Not Sin, but we do know, God divided Animals, between “clean AND unclean”, so there is that, that may be Gods determining factor to Save or Not.)
Angels, Are Spirits, Can Not Die.
They were created with, Gods Truth…( unlike men, who must first Learn Gods Truth, then exercise their own, FREEWILL to believe Gods Truth or Not).
Angels / mankind….neither are created with Gods “Understanding” of His Truth / Word.
Faithful Angels and Faithful ManKIND…can Receive Gods Understanding….being Dependent on “their faithfulness”.
Satan knows the Truth, but rejects believing, rejects being faithful, thus continues his charade, because he fails in Understanding.
The Same can apply to men, and Why, Few Are Faithful, and Many Are wishy washy, believing, doubting, denying, ignoring, wondering…
Understanding Always comes AFTER Belief…
Men have a tendency to WANT “Understanding”, BEFORE Belief.
( thus the debate among men…prove YOUR understanding…”to me”…so “then” “I can “believe”.) (backwards).
Belief must come from the Heart.
And
Understanding Only comes From God.
Body
Soul
Spirit
Three different things.
Three different “Life’s”
Body - Blood (must / shall die)
Soul - Gods Breath (can not die)
Soul -(without Gods breath / will die.)
Spirit of man : natural, mans Seed, mans Truth, will die.
Spirit of man : quickened, Gods SEED, Gods Truth, will never Die.
Glory to God,
Taken
Lambano
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--- PARODY ---
Prospective new convert discussing with themself
the assets and liabilities of joining a church.
I heard the Gospel.
Not sure if I understand.
If I accept it, I'll have to go to church.
They'll want me to get baptized.
Shove an offer plate at me every week.
If I don't do it, I'll burn in hell forever.
I suppose I better do it.
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Prospective new convert discussing with themself
the assets and liabilities of joining a church.
I heard the Gospel.
Not sure if I understand.
If I accept it, I'll have to go to church.
They'll want me to get baptized.
Shove an offer plate at me every week.
If I don't do it, I'll burn in hell forever.
I suppose I better do it.
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The gifts are for everyone. (see signature line below)You got the spiritual gifts; all I got was these good looks.
Acts 2:39 NIV
The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—
for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
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I have no idea why you keep posting to me when you consistently avoid what I'm here talking about.
Much love!
What percentage of church-goers are there because of extortion?
Believe or burn.
The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?
Even very by-the-book Christians are modifying their views on hell, or the afterlife. As the previous trend for fire-and-brimstone preaching has all but gone the way of the dinosaur. Leaning toward a more personalized stance on "eternal separation from God". (whatever that means to you) -...
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You struggle and fight against the Bible, and against the Faith, and you will one day understand what is true.What percentage of church-goers are there because of extortion?
Believe or burn.
The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?
Even very by-the-book Christians are modifying their views on hell, or the afterlife. As the previous trend for fire-and-brimstone preaching has all but gone the way of the dinosaur. Leaning toward a more personalized stance on "eternal separation from God". (whatever that means to you) -...www.christianityboard.com
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Seek God.
You've mis-used the passage, and continue to mis-use it, though I've shown you the truth of what it says. This is a simple point of grammar. If you refuse to acknowledge this - there is no harm to your doctrine, this verse doesn't affect it - you do yourself harm.
The more someone chooses to close their eyes, the easier it gets.
Again, that this is an active voice verb "I ascend" doesn't affect whether or not anyone actually was taken into heaven or not, that is determined by other passages, not this one.
But to refuse to acknowledge the grammar, and to by choice continue to misuse it, that's a big deal. It's just no good, and I implore you to reconsider.
Much love!
Wick Stick
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You're putting an awful lot of weight on 1 or 2 words from a single verse.
What do you do with Enoch and Elijah? They didn't "ascend" to heaven under their own power, but they were "taken" there.
Aunty Jane
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As you keep repeating this “fact”, that no Bible translation I have seen supports, can you please provide the information and it’s source so that it can be examined? I like to do homework….
“ἀναβέβηκεν” in Greek means “ascended” (to go up) there is no “steam” attached to this in anything I have consulted on the net……as the opposite in that verse means “descended.“ (to come down) It seems a plain enough statement unless you want to bend it to mean something it doesn’t.
I would like to know from what source you came to this conclusion…..John Gill by any chance?
No. I am fighting for Christians to wake up to real faith.
There are genuine problems in the church. My topics attest to this.
--- PARODY ---
Person #1: Receive the free gift of eternal life.
Person #2: No thanks.
Person #1: I said it was free.
Person #2: There must be some strings attached.
Person #1: Well, of course.
Person #2: It's not a free gift then, right?
Person #1: You had better take it... or else!
Person #2: Say what?
Person #1: Otherwise you will be incinerated!
Person #2: What sort of free gift is that?
Indeed.
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