You used this verse as did the other fellow to show that no one but Jesus has gone into heaven. But this verse does not say that, for the reasons I've said.
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Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?
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Do you even know what a “soul” is in the Bible?
Do you know what Jews believed about the soul? Jesus was Jewish after all….
Do you understand that the “soul“ and the “spirit” are two different things and that neither are disembodied conscious entities.…?
Your Catholic indoctrination has led you to accept so many beliefs that are simply not true.
There is no limbo….there is no purgatory….there is no hell…..all are Catholic inventions based on the pagan belief in immortality of the soul….all satanic lies.
Aunty Jane
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Did you, or did you not, suggest that any disagreement with what you stated would be me being dishonest?
This was your statement…..
”And now that you know this, you will be being dishonest if you use this argument in the future.”
Now, is telling the truth being dishonest? Was your statement backed up by the Bible translations I quoted?
Is bringing something to your attention that disagrees with what you stated…being dishonest?
I think now is a good time to be honest with yourself.
Does the Bible teach that humans have an immortal soul?
Your response was quite telling actually.
I don’t think there was much love at all in your statement…..do you?
Aunty Jane
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Do you understand that heaven was never open to humans in the first place? God created humans to live on earth….it was to be our permanent home….Adam’s sin took that away from us….Jesus’ sacrifice gives it back.
No one needed to go to heaven at all when God first put humankind here, to take care of all of his creation.
Angels were created to live in heaven…humans were created to live on earth. (Gen 3:22-24)
It’s a simple concept surely?
Magdala
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Part I
In Gen. 2:7, we read, "God formed the man of dust of the earth [...]". What are bones? A proof of the power of God Who made man with dust, but nothing else. Therefore, it's the physical body that returns to dust (Gen. 3:19, Ecc. 3:20).
Gen. 2:7 goes on to say, "[...] and breathed upon his face the breath of life [...]". The act of having "breathed the breath of life upon" indicates giving man something. In Jn. 4:24, we read, "God is Spirit", and thus the "breath of life" is the breath of God which is the soul, the soul as life. It is the breath of the Spirit of God that becomes a living spirit in man: God's image and likeness (Gen. 1:26). This wonderful thing which is a soul, a thing created by God to give man His image and likeness as an unquestionable sign of His Most Holy Paternity, shows signs of the qualities characteristic of Him Who creates it. It is therefore intelligent, spiritual, free, immortal, and so on, like the Father Who created it.
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: as the spirit [soul] shall return to God Who gave it" (Ecc. 12:7)
"They stoned Stephen as he called out, saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit [soul]!'” (Ac. 7:59)
A spirit, e.g., the soul, etc., is incorporeal, and thus is not subject to the limits of physical death, which is the definition of the word "immortal" [Note: While all spirits are immortal, the only Spirit Who is eternal, as in "without beginning or end", is God.] Eve's and Adam's first act of disobedience (sin) is what brought death into the world, not just physical death of the body, but a spiritual death of the soul which is separation from God (Rom. 5:12), and thus Satan did lie when he told them that they would not die.
With God's sacrifice, Heaven was reopened to mankind, and all just souls past, present and future live with Him eternally in Heaven, and the unjust souls undergo a spiritual death, which means living in eternal separation from God in Hell, of their own free will. Therefore, upon the death of our physical body, our immortal soul will go on and receive judgement. Upon Jesus's Second Coming, our physical body will be resurrected and reunited with our soul, where we will then receive our final judgement (Ezek. 18:4;5;17, Matt. 25: 31:46, I Cor. 15:35-58).
Now, you can form your own opinion, but in my belief, the following is additional information about the soul, either spoken by Jesus during His three-year ministry, as seen and heard by Maria Valtorta via visions, or dictated by Jesus to Maria Valtorta directly:
What distinguishes animal-man from animal-brute?
"The soul" (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II)
"Well, what makes you a man is your soul. Without it you would be nothing more than a speaking animal." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
Where does the soul of each man come from?
"From God and they belong to Him, but not even He violates the freedom of the soul, which is thus free to give itself or not." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
What is a soul? Why did God give man a soul?
"The breath of God is the soul, the soul as life. It is the breath of the Spirit of God that becomes a living spirit in man." (The Notebooks: 1945-1950)
"It is what makes a god of man and not an animal. Vice and sin kill it, and once it is killed, man becomes a repulsive animal." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
"Every man has a soul and it is the thing that distinguishes men from animals." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
"It has no body. But it exists. It is in you. It comes from Him Who created the world and goes back to Him after the death of the body. From the only, one, eternal, supreme God, Lord and Creator of the universe."
"Also a poor soldier, and his soul will have God as a Friend, if it was always good, or God as a Punisher, if it was bad." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
"It is the true nobility of man, because of his soul, there is the blood of God, because a soul is the spiritual blood—as God is a Most Pure Spirit— of the Creator of man: of the eternal, Almighty Holy God. Because of the soul, which is in him, and which is alive as long as it is united to God, man is eternal, powerful, and holy. It is naturally inclined to worship because it remembers the One Who created it: God." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II)
"This wonderful thing which is a soul, a thing created by God to give man His image and likeness as an unquestionable sign of His Most Holy Paternity, shows signs of the qualities characteristic of Him Who creates it. It is therefore intelligent, spiritual, free, immortal, like the Father Who created it. It is perfect when it originates from the divine thought and in the instant of its creation it is identical, for a thousandth of instant, with the soul of the first man: a perfection which understands the Truth through free gift. A thousandth of an instant. Then, once it is formed, it is stained by original sin. To make it clearer for you I will say that it is as if God were pregnant with the soul which He creates and the creature, in being born, were wounded by an indelible mark." This means while it is thought it is perfect. The creating thought lasts a thousandth of an instant. The thought then becomes actual fact, and the fact is subject to the law brought about by sin." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. III)
"A soul becomes thus incarnate in a human body, bringing with it the memory of the Creator, that is of the Truth, as a secret gem in the mystery of its spiritual being. A baby is born. It may become good, very good, or wicked. It may become anything because it is endowed with free will. The angelical ministry throws light on its 'memories' and the tempter darkness. If man craves after light and thus for a greater and greater virtue, making his soul the master of his being, the faculty of remembering increases in the soul, as if virtue made the wall interposed between soul and God thinner and thinner. That is why virtuous people in every country perceive the Truth, not in a perfect way, as they are dulled by contrasting doctrines or by lethal ignorance, but in a sufficient manner to give pages of moral perfection to the peoples to whom they belong. This means the religion of virtue practiced heroically predisposes the soul to the true Religion and to the knowledge of God." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. III)
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Magdala
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@Aunty Jane
Part II
When does one receive their soul? Where is one’s soul?
"The soul is infused into the embryo when the latter is sufficiently formed to receive it." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II)
"It is in the whole of man. It contains you and is contained within you. When it leaves you, you become a corpse. When it is killed by a crime that man commits against himself, you are damned, separated from God forever. Our body was created by God to be the temple of the soul, which is the temple of God. It must, therefore, be kept honest, otherwise the soul will be robbed of God's friendship and of eternal life." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II)
What does a soul in Grace possess?
"Love, and by possessing love it possesses God, that is the Father Who preserves it, the Son Who teaches it, the Spirit Who illuminates it. It therefore possesses Knowledge, Science, Wisdom, Light." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
"I would like to be the Source of Grace for everybody. But too many among you do not want Grace. You ask for "graces", but with a soul devoid of Grace. How can Grace succour you if you are Her enemies?" (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
What removes Grace from one’s soul?
"Original sin and the mortal one." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
Additional information about the soul:
"[...] your soul that makes you like God, Who is a spirit, as your soul is a spirit." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
"Man was created in the image and likeness of God. One of the likenesses is the capability, for the soul, of remembering, seeing and foreseeing. This explains the faculty for reading into the future. This faculty sometimes comes directly, by God's will, sometimes it is a power of recollection, that rises like the sun in the morning, illuminating a point on the horizon of centuries, already seen in the vision of God. Such mysteries are too deep to be fully understood by you. But consider. Can the Supreme Intelligence, the Mind that knows everything, the Sight that sees everything, give you something different from Himself, having created you by an act of His will and a breath of His infinite love, and having made you His children both by your origin and your destination? He gives you it in an infinitesimal part, as the creature cannot contain the Creator. But that part is perfect and complete, although infinitesimal." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
"I say that it is an article of faith. The immortality of the soul, that is the immortality of the superior part of man is the most certain and most comforting mystery to believe. It is the one that assures us of where we come from, where we go, who we are, and it removes all the bitterness of every separation." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II)
"The living soul of inferior creatures mentioned by Genesis, is not the same as the soul of man. It is life, simply life, that is, being sensitive to real things, both material and emotional. When an animal dies it becomes insensitive because death is its real end. There is no future for it. But while it lives it suffers cold, hunger, fatigue, it is subject to injuries, to pain, to joy, to love, to hatred, to diseases and to death. And man, in remembrance of God, Who gave him such means to make his exile on the Earth less difficult, must be humane towards animals, his inferior servants." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV)
Dictations about the soul by Jesus:
The Notebooks: 1943
May 31st, 1943 (pp. 18-19)
June 4th, 1943 (pp. 22-23)
June 6th, 1943 (p. 25)
June 21st, 1943 (pp. 43-44)
June 22nd, 1943 (p. 44)
July 1st, 1943 (p. 54)
July 16th, 1943 (pp. 73-74)
August 6th, 1943 (94-95)
August 22nd, 1943 (p. 114)
The Notebooks: 1944
A vision received by Maria Valtorta, followed by a dictation by Jesus, on January 29th, 1944 (pp. 60-65)
March 5th, 1944 (pp. 148-154)
June 15th, 1944, (pp. 314-319)
The Notebooks: 1945-1950
January 28th, 1947 (pp. 324-343)
April 2nd, 1947 (pp. 379-383)
Part II
When does one receive their soul? Where is one’s soul?
"The soul is infused into the embryo when the latter is sufficiently formed to receive it." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II)
"It is in the whole of man. It contains you and is contained within you. When it leaves you, you become a corpse. When it is killed by a crime that man commits against himself, you are damned, separated from God forever. Our body was created by God to be the temple of the soul, which is the temple of God. It must, therefore, be kept honest, otherwise the soul will be robbed of God's friendship and of eternal life." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II)
What does a soul in Grace possess?
"Love, and by possessing love it possesses God, that is the Father Who preserves it, the Son Who teaches it, the Spirit Who illuminates it. It therefore possesses Knowledge, Science, Wisdom, Light." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
"I would like to be the Source of Grace for everybody. But too many among you do not want Grace. You ask for "graces", but with a soul devoid of Grace. How can Grace succour you if you are Her enemies?" (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
What removes Grace from one’s soul?
"Original sin and the mortal one." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
Additional information about the soul:
"[...] your soul that makes you like God, Who is a spirit, as your soul is a spirit." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
"Man was created in the image and likeness of God. One of the likenesses is the capability, for the soul, of remembering, seeing and foreseeing. This explains the faculty for reading into the future. This faculty sometimes comes directly, by God's will, sometimes it is a power of recollection, that rises like the sun in the morning, illuminating a point on the horizon of centuries, already seen in the vision of God. Such mysteries are too deep to be fully understood by you. But consider. Can the Supreme Intelligence, the Mind that knows everything, the Sight that sees everything, give you something different from Himself, having created you by an act of His will and a breath of His infinite love, and having made you His children both by your origin and your destination? He gives you it in an infinitesimal part, as the creature cannot contain the Creator. But that part is perfect and complete, although infinitesimal." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)
"I say that it is an article of faith. The immortality of the soul, that is the immortality of the superior part of man is the most certain and most comforting mystery to believe. It is the one that assures us of where we come from, where we go, who we are, and it removes all the bitterness of every separation." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. II)
"The living soul of inferior creatures mentioned by Genesis, is not the same as the soul of man. It is life, simply life, that is, being sensitive to real things, both material and emotional. When an animal dies it becomes insensitive because death is its real end. There is no future for it. But while it lives it suffers cold, hunger, fatigue, it is subject to injuries, to pain, to joy, to love, to hatred, to diseases and to death. And man, in remembrance of God, Who gave him such means to make his exile on the Earth less difficult, must be humane towards animals, his inferior servants." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV)
Dictations about the soul by Jesus:
The Notebooks: 1943
May 31st, 1943 (pp. 18-19)
June 4th, 1943 (pp. 22-23)
June 6th, 1943 (p. 25)
June 21st, 1943 (pp. 43-44)
June 22nd, 1943 (p. 44)
July 1st, 1943 (p. 54)
July 16th, 1943 (pp. 73-74)
August 6th, 1943 (94-95)
August 22nd, 1943 (p. 114)
The Notebooks: 1944
A vision received by Maria Valtorta, followed by a dictation by Jesus, on January 29th, 1944 (pp. 60-65)
March 5th, 1944 (pp. 148-154)
June 15th, 1944, (pp. 314-319)
The Notebooks: 1945-1950
January 28th, 1947 (pp. 324-343)
April 2nd, 1947 (pp. 379-383)
I truly wish the best for you, but I know you won't receive truth from me. The best I can hope for is to maybe help you see at least a little bit.
Regarding this small point of grammar, nothing you posted addressed the text in a manner to show whether I spoke truly or falsely. And this is a simple thing. You could learn this if you wanted to. I right the way I do to you to challenge you. Learn these things.
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Magdala
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Well, for example, Purgatory is referred to in 2 Mac. 12:46. Limbo, or Abraham's bosom, is referred to in Lk. 16:22-23. And, Hell is referred to in Matt. 25:41. Then, of course, there's all the dictations from Jesus throughout history where He's spoken to His spokesmen more in-depth about these places.
This isn't about humans living on the earth. This is about humans living in Heaven once our time of living on the earth is over. After the disobedience of Adam and Eve, upon physical death of the body, if the person's soul was just, it couldn't go to Heaven yet, because it was closed due to Adam and Eve disobedience. So, where did just souls go? Limbo, or Abraham's bosom. After Jesus reopened Heaven, just souls were released from Limbo, or Abraham's bosom, and could finally go to Heaven, as did and do all just souls from that point on.
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Magdala
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Heaven was closed to humans after the disobedience of Adam and Eve until Jesus reopened it after His death. Jesus was the first human to enter Heaven after He reopened it. This truth and Johns following words correspond:
"No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended out of heaven..."
Do you not believe that Heaven was closed to humans after the disobedience of Adam and Eve until Jesus reopened it?
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Lambano
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The more abstract truth? You tell me. You're the one who brought up "spiritual death".
Can truth be abstract? Lots of truths are abstract. Mathematics, physics, theology, your bank balance....
Lambano
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Is it?
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. - Genesis 2:7
Lambano
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Now you're just bragging.
You got the spiritual gifts; all I got was these good looks.
(Thud!)
Nah. Doesn't do a thing for me.
Lambano
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I've listened to a few testimonies in my time. Most testify they had no spirit descending on them like a dove, no dramatic voice from the sky saying, "It's hard for you to kick against the pricks". (An Acts 26:14 KJV reference, for those of you keeping score at home.) Maybe one had their heart "strangely warmed". (John Wesley allusion; we Methodists are pretty boring.) Most just testify that they ... just heard the Gospel and trusted Jesus.
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Magdala
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In Gen. 2:7, we read, "God formed the man of dust of the earth [...]". What are bones? A proof of the power of God Who made man with dust, but nothing else. Therefore, it's the physical body that returns to dust (Gen. 3:19, Ecc. 3:20).
Gen. 2:7 goes on to say, "[...] and breathed upon his face the breath of life [...]". The act of having "breathed the breath of life upon" indicates giving man something. In Jn. 4:24, we read, "God is Spirit", and thus the "breath of life" is the breath of God which is the soul, the soul as life. It is the breath of the Spirit of God that becomes a living spirit in man: God's image and likeness (Gen. 1:26). This wonderful thing which is a soul, a thing created by God to give man His image and likeness as an unquestionable sign of His Most Holy Paternity, shows signs of the qualities characteristic of Him Who creates it. It is therefore intelligent, spiritual, free, immortal, and so on, like the Father Who created it.
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: as the spirit [soul] shall return to God Who gave it" (Ecc. 12:7)
"They stoned Stephen as he called out, saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit [soul]!'” (Ac. 7:59)
A spirit, e.g., the soul, etc., is incorporeal, and thus is not subject to the limits of physical death, which is the definition of the word "immortal" [Note: While all spirits are immortal, the only Spirit Who is eternal, as in "without beginning or end", is God.] Eve's and Adam's first act of disobedience (sin) is what brought death into the world, not just physical death of the body, but a spiritual death of the soul which is separation from God (Rom. 5:12), and thus Satan did lie when he told them that they would not die.
With God's sacrifice, Heaven was reopened to mankind, and all just souls past, present and future live with Him eternally in Heaven, and the unjust souls undergo a spiritual death, which means living in eternal separation from God in Hell, of their own free will. Therefore, upon the death of our physical body, our immortal soul will go on and receive judgement. Upon Jesus's Second Coming, our physical body will be resurrected and reunited with our soul, where we will then receive our final judgement (Ezek. 18:4;5;17, Matt. 25: 31:46, I Cor. 15:35-58).
Aunty Jane
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2 Mac is not a canonical book.…it is only accepted by the Catholic church.
Abraham’s bosom is a position of favor with God.….nothing to do with heaven.
Matt 25:41 …the “everlasting fire“ is the “lake of fire” reserved for satan and his demons, but wicked and disobedient humans go there first. It’s called “the second death” because no one can be brought back from this death…it is permanent annihilation. There are no immortal souls…so you see there is nothing that survives death to go anywhere.
Where was it said to Adam that there would be a time when his life on earth would be over?
Where was Adam told about “heaven or hell“ as opposite destinations for the immortal soul he did not have?
You have no idea why humans were put on this earth in the first place…do you?
Where will I find that idea in Scripture? The person was the “soul”.
A “soul” is a “breather”…a creature who breathes air…..all the creatures that God created who breathe air, are called “souls” in Genesis….not just the humans.
Souls are not immortal….souls are mortal, which means that they die. (Ezek 18:4)
Adam was not “given” a soul when God started him breathing….he “became” one. (Gen 2:7)
None of that is true…there is no such thing as an immortal soul….there is not a single reference to an immortal soul in a single passage of scripture.……all souls are mortal because they all breathe. When breathing stops, the soul dies.
God created humans alone in his image, and everlasting life was held out to the first humans on the condition that they were obedient. Upon their disobedience, death came as a result of sin.…it spread and infected the entire human race. (Rom 5:12)
When death overtook humanity, we became like the animals because we all breath the same air.
Eccl 3:18-20….Solomon wrote….
”I also said in my heart about the sons of men that the true God will test them and show them that they are like animals, 19 for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.”
This was the belief that Jesus held as a Jew.
The “spirit” in man is the same as the “spirit” in animals …… it is “the breath of life” taken at birth, that makes a soul alive. Failure to breathe, causes death.….failure to keep on breathing causes death too….how many ways are there to die? Yet, what is the only way to live again…the Bible teaches that it is resurrection…..a return to life, not a continuation of it.
This is what Eccl 12:7 means….
”Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: as the spirit shall return to God Who gave it"
The “spirit” in this verse is not the “soul”….these are two different words with two completely different meanings, which were lost when the RCC adopted the idea of an immortal soul.
When physical death takes place, the body breaks down and decays, but the only way to restore the “spirit” or to restore “the breath of life”, is by resurrection. God gives the soul a new body and restores his spirit or breath so he can live again.
There is no limbo…no purgatory…and no hell.…because there is no immortal soul to experience those things.
Magdala
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In Gen. 2:7, we read, "God formed the man of dust of the earth [...]". What are bones? A proof of the power of God Who made man with dust, but nothing else. Therefore, it's the physical body that returns to dust (Gen. 3:19, Ecc. 3:20).
Gen. 2:7 goes on to say, "[...] and breathed upon his face the breath of life [...]". The act of having "breathed the breath of life upon" indicates giving man something. In Jn. 4:24, we read, "God is Spirit", and thus the "breath of life" is the breath of God which is the soul, the soul as life. It is the breath of the Spirit of God that becomes a living spirit in man: God's image and likeness (Gen. 1:26). This wonderful thing which is a soul, a thing created by God to give man His image and likeness as an unquestionable sign of His Most Holy Paternity, shows signs of the qualities characteristic of Him Who creates it. It is therefore intelligent, spiritual, free, immortal, and so on, like the Father Who created it.
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: as the spirit [soul] shall return to God Who gave it" (Ecc. 12:7)
"They stoned Stephen as he called out, saying, 'Lord Jesus, receive my spirit [soul]!'” (Ac. 7:59)
A spirit, e.g., the soul, etc., is incorporeal, and thus is not subject to the limits of physical death, which is the definition of the word "immortal" [Note: While all spirits are immortal, the only Spirit Who is eternal, as in "without beginning or end", is God.] Eve's and Adam's first act of disobedience (sin) is what brought death into the world, not just physical death of the body, but a spiritual death of the soul which is separation from God (Rom. 5:12), and thus Satan did lie when he told them that they would not die.
With God's sacrifice, Heaven was reopened to mankind, and all just souls past, present and future live with Him eternally in Heaven, and the unjust souls undergo a spiritual death, which means living in eternal separation from God in Hell, of their own free will. Therefore, upon the death of our physical body, our immortal soul will go on and receive judgement. Upon Jesus's Second Coming, our physical body will be resurrected and reunited with our soul, where we will then receive our final judgement (Ezek. 18:4;5;17, Matt. 25: 31:46, I Cor. 15:35-58).
Additionally, there's information about the soul, either spoken by Jesus during His three-year ministry, as seen and heard by Maria Valtorta via visions, or dictated by Jesus to Maria Valtorta directly, if you're interested.
The 7 Deuterocanonical books were removed by the Rabbinical school, led by Rabbi Akiva ben Joseph (A.D. 37-137 at Jabneh in the 2nd century. This was after the death and Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus - and after the destruction of the Temple. The mantle of Authority was no longer with the Jews, as Jesus transferred Authority to His Church (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, 20:21-23). The books Baruch, Tobit, Maccabees, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom and parts of Daniel and Esther were all included in the Septuagint that Jesus and the apostles used.
Rabbi Akiva was the SAME guy who proclaimed a man named Simon Bar Kokhba was the “real” Messiah during the 2nd Jewish Revolt (circa 132 AD).
The OT wasn’t decided upon at Trent. The entire Canon of Scripture was officially closed – in part, due to the deleting of books by Protestants.
This means that a FALSE prophet (Akiva) who proclaimed a FALSE “Christ” (Kokhba) was responsible for editing the Canon in a POST-Christ, POST-Temple Israel.
There are almost 150 references to those Books in the NT. For example:
Heb 11:35 - Paul teaches about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.
Eph. 6:13-17 - in fact, the whole discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.
Abraham's bosom, or Limbo, isn't Heaven. The former is a place where just souls went prior to Heaven: "The beggar died, and he was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom" (Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man, Lk. 16:22).
Yea it's a place of everlasting fire reserved for Satan, his demons, and humans who follow him, which refers to Hell.
Additionally, there's in-depth information about Limbo, Purgatory, Heaven, and Hell either spoken by Jesus during His three-year ministry, as seen and heard by Maria Valtorta via visions, or dictated by Jesus to Maria Valtorta directly, if you're interested.
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Aunty Jane
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Magdala
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You didn't quote and reply to any of my information about the soul in your second to last post (#317), which is why in post #318 I had to re-post them. And, now that you're leaving the discussion, all of that, including the rest of what I said, is left unaddressed by you.
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