Jesus talked about hell more than anything else in the Bible. - Seriously?
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Brook Potter “When someone says that Jesus taught about Hell more than anything else in his earthly ministry, it’s obvious that person get’s their theology from Christian Television more so than from study.”
One of the most common logical fallacies used by Christians is the fallacy of Incredulity. It is sometimes called the “Lack of Imagination Fallacy,” because it basically assumes that if a person doesn’t understand, or can’t imagine a certain position, that position is automatically wrong.
Needless to say, that sort of logic is blatantly flawed. To this day, no one truly understands gravity, but it remains a very real factor in our every day lives.
When it comes to the subject of hell, there is great debate on the subject. For most believers, the doctrine of hell is an idol. It remains mostly untouched, unstudied and just accepted, for fear that they may end up there for questioning it.
But for some believers, they actually take Paul’s command of studying the Word to heart. They have actually invested a great deal of time and energy into this subject. In so doing, they have come to varying positions on one of the three major views, Infernalism, Conditionalism, and Universalism.
At this point, a person who may come to a different understanding of the topic of Hell, outside the Eternal Conscious Torment theory, is generally faced two common objections.
Firstly, it is believed that such a person has been deceived by the devil, followed by their abandonment of the truth of Scripture. With nothing more than a surface reading of Scripture, coupled with man-made traditions and teaching from the Church, most believers just cannot believe their Bible might actually teach something other than what they currently believe.
It is greatly dishonest to say that Conditionalist or the Universalist has been deceived or abandoned the truth of Scripture, when most believers in Infernalism wouldn’t even study the subject, far less read other believers’ arguments and Scriptural studies to see how they have arrived at their position.
So with that said, I’m looking at 4 common phrases used in the New Testament that are commonly believed to be related to the afterlife and Hell, to give an example of why our assumptions are not actually found in the Scriptures themselves.
For the purposes of this article, I’ll be skipping over the fact that there are four distinct words translated as Hell, and each has it’s unique uses, Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna. But anyone doing a further study, should look into these words more closely.
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One of the most common logical fallacies used by Christians is the fallacy of Incredulity. It is sometimes called the “Lack of Imagination Fallacy,” because it basically assumes that if a person doesn’t understand, or can’t imagine a certain position, that position is automatically wrong.
Needless to say, that sort of logic is blatantly flawed. To this day, no one truly understands gravity, but it remains a very real factor in our every day lives.
When it comes to the subject of hell, there is great debate on the subject. For most believers, the doctrine of hell is an idol. It remains mostly untouched, unstudied and just accepted, for fear that they may end up there for questioning it.
But for some believers, they actually take Paul’s command of studying the Word to heart. They have actually invested a great deal of time and energy into this subject. In so doing, they have come to varying positions on one of the three major views, Infernalism, Conditionalism, and Universalism.
At this point, a person who may come to a different understanding of the topic of Hell, outside the Eternal Conscious Torment theory, is generally faced two common objections.
Firstly, it is believed that such a person has been deceived by the devil, followed by their abandonment of the truth of Scripture. With nothing more than a surface reading of Scripture, coupled with man-made traditions and teaching from the Church, most believers just cannot believe their Bible might actually teach something other than what they currently believe.
It is greatly dishonest to say that Conditionalist or the Universalist has been deceived or abandoned the truth of Scripture, when most believers in Infernalism wouldn’t even study the subject, far less read other believers’ arguments and Scriptural studies to see how they have arrived at their position.
So with that said, I’m looking at 4 common phrases used in the New Testament that are commonly believed to be related to the afterlife and Hell, to give an example of why our assumptions are not actually found in the Scriptures themselves.
For the purposes of this article, I’ll be skipping over the fact that there are four distinct words translated as Hell, and each has it’s unique uses, Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna. But anyone doing a further study, should look into these words more closely.
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Christian Soldier
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You have confused me with Jack , as post 46 is his and not mine
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BarneyFife
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Behold
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What is actually discussed in Theological circles is that "Jesus talks more about Hell then he taught about Heaven".
Which is a biblical fact .
Which is a biblical fact .
Hello.Hi, Pal!
Always good to see a sign of life.
We need to examine our motives, I suppose.Too much Bible study is dangerous—bibliolatry, you know.
"My personal Bible study tells me that you are wrong."
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Behold
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See your own Threads and Posts for a (motives) reality check.
BarneyFife
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You never call me.
I thought that was what personal Bible study is for.
Do you know something I don't?
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BarneyFife
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BarneyFife
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Which might mean He was going for quality-over-quantity.
It may have been mentioned more, but we know considerably more about Heaven, don't we?
It's not a biblical fact—it's a fact about the Bible; a distinction that might be worth noting.
The Bible probably talks about genealogy more than it does about some things that probably seem more important.
"Theological circles" and "motives"
The problem you folks have with @St. SteVen (if I may) seems to be at least somewhat lacking in good faith.
Anyone who gets on this board looking to discuss nuanced and controversial things gets a bullseye painted on their back (in case it's escaped anyone's perception, in this paragraph going forward I'm not long talking about specific individuals).
I don't think Jesus operated that way. The disciples were real boneheads and He didn't treat them that way. He even called Judas "friend" after he betrayed Him with a kiss.
I think we might have some work to do if we want to be comfortable in Heaven.
Just sayin'.
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Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,
Taken
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Jesus talked about hell more than anything else in the Bible. - Seriously?
Nah.
Hell …a place, mentioned nearly 25 times in NT.
Heaven …a place, mentioned nearly 300 times in NT.
The deciding Factor … Belief, mentioned nearly 280 in NT.
All Body’s are Mortal, must / shall Die.
It’s the Believing Saved Living Soul, the Quickened Spirit and New Body God Offers Life “with” Him Forever.
Glory to God,
Taken
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BarneyFife
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Time will tell.
Where you been?By the way, nice to see you, Jack!
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Lambano
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Jesus talked about hell more than anything else in the Bible. - Seriously?
A simple word-search in Bible Gatewaysshows Jesus mentioning Hell, Hades, Gehenna, the Outer Darkness, or fire in an eschatological sense 32 times in the Gospels. The Kingdom of God / Kingdom of Heaven / World to Come gets mentioned 87 times. If you take out synoptic duplicates, it's still going to be roughly a 3:1 ratio in favor of the Kingdom. I'll leave that as an exercise for the student.
(You can tell that over the years I've had a lot of profs and managers tell me, "If you're going to make broad statements like that, show me the data that backs it up.")
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Ritajanice
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I do like how you think things through...I’m learning, I’m not the bull in a china shop ,so much these days..hehe,lol.
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