Does God love those He burns in Hell "Forever and Ever"?
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There’s animals in heaven? That’s reason enough to go. But that’s beside the point.
I get why the Vatican started to preach hell is for humans. If you just cease to exist when you die, then there really is no difference.
You should live right regardless. It matters what you do in this life, for eternal salvation and, more importantly, to others.
Taken
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Animal body’s in heaven? No
Human body’s in heaven? No
Departed living souls of humans and animals? Yes.
Hell is a place for creations Against God. But Not “humans”.
Humans are persons, persons are Body’s with its life (blood) and a Living soul and it’s Life (Gods breath) IN the Body.
It’s a creation…that has become fallen, with human opportunity to become Made restored They who are restored, shall remain and or gain spiritual life…and occupy a new Earth, when Earth and Heaven are the Same….barrier opened.
Human body’s and its life shall cease to exist. It’s saved soul and it’s born again spirit shall live forever. It’s body? We know not yet what it will look like.
Yes. Jesus our Example.
Yes. Love IS doing what is Best / Right toward another, regardless of the consequences (from the World).
God bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
David Lamb
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Where in the bible are we told that the departed souls of animals will be in heaven?
Not so. Jesus was talking to humans when He said:
“"But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Mt 5:22 NKJV)
No. Again that goes against what the bible teaches. When a Christian dies, his soul goes immediately to heaven. Paul wrote:
“For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, [which is] far better.” (Php 1:23 NKJV)
The Christian's body will one day be resurrected by God, to be reunited with his soul:
“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” (1Th 4:16-17 NKJV)
He is our great Example. But He is much more. These verses show Him to be both Example and Saviour:
“For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: "Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth"; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness — by whose stripes you were healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.” (1Pe 2:21-25 NKJV)
God bless you, too!
Jesus talking to humans:
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Lambano
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"Sir, if you don't believe in Doggie Heaven, you can take your spurious theology elsewhere!" - Steve Brown
Taken
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It is a study, not a one liner revealing the fact.
All souls belong to God.
The life in all souls is Gods Breath.
All humans and animals are out of the Earth, will die and their BODY, return to the Eartgh.
Ecc. 3:19
[19] For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
[20] All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
The one breath they all have, is Gods breath, Life from God, which is in the soul.
When a human / animal dies, it’s body returns to the earth.
When a human dies IF it’s living soul is Saved, that departed living soul goes to Heaven to wait Judgement.
If not saved, that departed living soul goes to hell to wait for Judgement.
Animals can not sin. They have not the natural ability to believe or confess their belief in God.
Their Departed living soul goes to Heaven.
In heaven Scripture teaches of animals presence, as well during the time of a new earth.
Since Bodys (human and animal)…die and return to the earth, wait for resurrection and judgement…
That which is present in Heaven is the departed living souls of Animals AND the Saved departed living souls of Man.
Taken
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A human / Person is an alive Body with a living soul In that Body.
Yes Jesus was speaking TO living men.
Dead men (body’s) Know nothing.
A dead man’s soul continues living, and departs out of a dead body.
A dead man is Not A person, because there is no soul in a dead body.. Is not called a person.
Taken
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Correct…….IF that departed soul is Saved.
Thank you David.
Have a blessed day.
Glory to God,
Taken
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Hell will be filled with BILLIONS of humans who don't believe in Hell!
Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER!
Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER!
Taken
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Jesus teaching living humans….
But yet who Jesus shall be speaking to is Departed living un-saved Souls.
Seriously?
Matthew 25:46
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.
Taken
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What is everlasting absolution ?
I would say With God Forever.
What is everlasting punishment?
I would say Without God Forever.
Do you think any part of A Human…body, soul, spirit will live Forever without God?
Taken
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A few things to consider…
Only a Living “thing” can be tormented “forever”.
What part of Man…”exactly” will suffer torments “forever”.
* His dead lifeless (bloodless ) destroyed body?
* His soul that was not saved and its life returns to God, and the lifeless soul destroyed?
* His natural spirit (not born again), which died with the body?
How long is “forever” for a lifeless “thing”?
soberxp
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Do you think God driving Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden was a form of punishment? If so, it’s possible that what humans perceive as punishment differs from God’s intention."
Biblical
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And being tormented FOREVER means they are quite alive. 'Death' NEVER means 'cease to exist' in the Bible.
Matthew 25:46
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.
Exact same Greek word. NEVER ending!
quietthinker
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'God's wrath' (punishment) is laid out clearly in Romans 1:18-32.
Verse 24 tells us 'God gave them over'. In other words he no longer stood in the way of consequences of their choices.
Punishment is consequential not an arbitrary imposition.
In Eden God spoke of consequences, 'you will surely die'. He didn't say, I will kill you.
Putting my hand on a hot stove reaps results....nobody punished me in the arbitrary sense. Burning my hand is a consequence
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