In exile from the church - disconnected from what?

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And isn’t this why the Boereans were commended because they made sure that what Paul was teaching was in accord with their Scriptures. They were not influenced by the Jews who tried to dissuade them.

Wasn’t original Christianity an organised group? Did they not meet together for Bible instruction and worship, as well as fellowship? Did these not commune with God and through his son work as a unified collective?

I heard someone once put it this way....
How do you hide a 50 ft tree out in the middle of a cleared field? And the answer is you can’t......but if you have time up your sleeve, you can plant a whole forest of trees of the same kind all around it, and allow them to grow....eventually it will be extremely difficult to identify the original tree.
This is what the devil has done......and he has been extremely successful in hiding the original “tree” with a forest of counterfeits. Jesus told us to expect it.....in his parable of the “wheat” and the “weeds”.

There was a central governing body in Jerusalem who determined the outcome of any serious divisions that were occurring, such as the circumcision issue, and once a decision was made under the authority of the Holy Spirit, all then complied with that decision. Letters were written to the congregations and 1 Cor 1:10 was their reality.
Thinking that we can be ‘lone rangers’ somehow setting our chosen beliefs as our own religion, can be a trap. If no one else shares what we believe then Heb 10:24-25 is meaningless. We are to meet regularly with our brothers and sister in the faith and “all the more so” as we see the “day” of judgment approaching......this is the time when we need each other the most....a time when disunity hinders any real spiritual growth. Christianity is not claiming disunity to be the one thing that unites the collective.

A separation is under way as we speak.....those who have the right heart condition will not be among the disunited rabble who claim to be “the body of Christ”.......because it is a dismembered body that has bits of Jesus all over the place. (Matt 7:21-23)
Those whom Jesus recognises as his own will be viewed in the same “way” as what he started....a hated and persecuted minority, (John 15:18-21; Matt 5:11-12) who are seen as a threat to true worship....yet oblivious to the fact that they have never practiced it.

Christendom is a mirror image of first century Judaism....blinded by their own inculcated hatred for any deviation from their accepted doctrines.....blind to where those doctrines originated in the first place.

None of us can come to Christ without an invitation from his Father. (John 6:65)
I enjoyed this post quite a bit Aunty Jane. Thank you.

The Bereans searched the scriptures (which at that time had no "new Testament" to review) to compare Paul's words and statements to see if he could be telling the truth. That is something we should ALL be doing.

As for another question you asked, the answer varies. When you say an "organized group," much depends on how you define "organized." It also depends on how close to the resurrection and the time of the Apostles you are asking about.

There was a document - the Didache - that sprung up to aid groups in their behaviors and some warnings about who they would listen to. It has been amended from its original contents along the way. That must have served as their "statement of faith" at the time. Were the organized, have bylaws, paid a preacher to teach doctrines? I'd say no as they met in homes and discussed contents of the scriptures that they had at the time. I imagination tells me that they were a more "spiritual" group as their faith during that time seems to have been very strong. It had to in order for them to exist in the fist few hundred years.

However, history shows us what happened to them and how man took over "the church", deconstructed the existing house churches, made official documents, preached a different gospel, produced a Latin text, etc, etc.

I do believe that God is adjusting "the church" now. I think there is some sifting going on. I have no concrete things to point to except my personal experiences to go by. But, I am living , praying, and watching.

Than you for this post.
 

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The Bereans searched the scriptures (which at that time had no "new Testament" to review) to compare Paul's words and statements to see if he could be telling the truth. That is something we should ALL be doing.
It is important to note that the Hebrew Scriptures were the only scripture they had to prove that Jesus was the Christ. (Referred to by Paul in 2 Tim 3:16-17) Jesus and the apostles often quoted from these scriptures to prove to the Jews who the Messiah was prophesied to be.
Jesus even went to deliberate lengths to fulfill prophesy written about him. (Luke 22:36-38)
As for another question you asked, the answer varies. When you say an "organized group," much depends on how you define "organized." It also depends on how close to the resurrection and the time of the Apostles you are asking about.
Yes….we need to step back and see the ways in which the first Christians conducted their worship and how very differently the later apostates turned it into something completely different….

“By the start of the second century C.E., false teachings had begun to muddy the clear waters of Christian truth. Just as inspired prophecy had foretold, after the death of the apostles, certain ones abandoned the truth and turned instead to “myths.” (2 Timothy 4:3, 4, footnote) About 98 C.E., John, the last surviving apostle, warned of such erroneous teachings and of people “who [were] trying to mislead” faithful Christians.—1 John 2:26;4:1, 6.

Soon, men who came to be known as the Apostolic Fathers arrived on the scene. What stand did they take in the face of religious deception? Did they heed the apostle John’s divinely inspired warning?”

History tells the story….
There was a document - the Didache - that sprung up to aid groups in their behaviors and some warnings about who they would listen to. It has been amended from its original contents along the way. That must have served as their "statement of faith" at the time. Were the organized, have bylaws, paid a preacher to teach doctrines? I'd say no as they met in homes and discussed contents of the scriptures that they had at the time. I imagination tells me that they were a more "spiritual" group as their faith during that time seems to have been very strong. It had to in order for them to exist in the fist few hundred years.
“Today, it is difficult to judge just how closely the teachings of the Apostolic Fathers corresponded to Jesus’ teachings. The aim of these men was undoubtedly to preserve or else promote a certain brand of Christianity. They condemned idolatry and loose morals. They held that Jesus is the Son of God and that he was resurrected. However, they were unable to restrain the rising tide of apostasy. On the contrary, some of them added to its swell.

Certain currents of early “Christian” thought actually deviated from the teachings of Christ and his apostles. For example, contrary to the practice instituted by Jesus at the…Last Supper, the author of The Didache advised the passing of the wine before the bread. (Matthew 26:26, 27) This writer also stated that if no body of water was available to perform baptism by immersion, pouring water on the head of the baptism candidate would suffice. (Mark 1:9, 10; Acts 8:36, 38) The same text encouraged Christians to observe such rituals as obligatory fasting twice a week and recitation of the Our Father exactly three times a day.—Matthew 6:5-13; Luke 18:12.

For his part, Ignatius envisioned a new organization of the Christian congregation, with just one bishop presiding “in the place of God.” This bishop would hold authority over many priests. Such inventions opened the way for further waves of unscriptural teaching.—Matthew 23:8, 9.”
(Exerpts from The Apostolic Fathers -Truly Apostolic? WT)

Can we see the foundations of the RCC being laid?……and all her errant daughters taking along their mother’s dirty laundry….united only in their disunity.
However, history shows us what happened to them and how man took over "the church", deconstructed the existing house churches, made official documents, preached a different gospel, produced a Latin text, etc, etc.

I do believe that God is adjusting "the church" now. I think there is some sifting going on. I have no concrete things to point to except my personal experiences to go by. But, I am living , praying, and watching.
The Bible does not indicate that a mere ‘sifting’ was in order…..it speaks of a complete separation between the true Christian faith, and “the church” that emerged from it through the adoption of traditions introduced by corrupt men. (Matt 15:7-9) History does indeed show what happened…but only to those not blinded by the devil. (2 Cor 4:3-4) Interestingly, he can only do that to “unbelievers”.

Since all of Christendom bases their “Christian” beliefs on those formulated by the RCC, they have unwittingly accepted the counterfeit as the real thing, and when the real thing emerged and separated from that disgusting substitute, (as it was foretold) it was going to be “hated and persecuted” just as Jesus and his disciples were in the first century. (Matt15:18-21) History repeats because Satan knows how to manipulate human thinking. Today it’s known as the science of “perception management”.
Than you for this post.
You are welcome…..we need to be on guard because in a world completely controlled by the devil, nothing is as it seems. We see in human responses that there is “nothing new under the sun” as Solomon said. Humans continue to fall into the same traps because Satan knows us well and needs no new tactics.

The other interesting thing is, that again it is the minority who are on the right track, and the majority who are headed for destruction. (Matt 7:13-14) God has always had a faithful minority, whilst the devil has the rest….and he will take the “goats” down into oblivion with him….(Matt 25:31-34; 41; 46)

But again we can have confidence that God will “draw” only those who can see through the counterfeits, and who cannot accept their teachings as truth.….(that inexplicable feeling that something is not right.) (Matt 6:44)
To accept what is not truth, means that they do not know, and have never known, the God they claim to serve. (John 17:3; Matt 7:21-23)
 
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Whether by personal decision, or being forced out, some (or many?) are exiled from the institution of the church.
I did some quick research to see if there are any statistics on Christians leaving the church.
Wanting to know if it really is just SOME, or if it is MANY. (probably many, but...) ???

The search results seemed to indicate that "leaving the church" is viewed as leaving Christianity.
And I suppose leaving "Christianity" (the church) is viewed as "leaving God". (sigh)
Obviously, there are a full spectrum of reasons and outcomes.

More at the OP. (first post)

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Whether by personal decision, or being forced out, some (or many?) are exiled from the institution of the church.
I did some quick research to see if there are any statistics on Christians leaving the church.
Wanting to know if it really is just SOME, or if it is MANY. (probably many, but...) ???

The search results seemed to indicate that "leaving the church" is viewed as leaving Christianity.
And I suppose leaving "Christianity" (the church) is viewed as "leaving God". (sigh)
Obviously, there are a full spectrum of reasons and outcomes.

More at the OP. (first post)

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It would indeed depend on the reason .
IF one leaves a church due to the fact its leaders have compromised biblical truth
and refused correction , THEN AMEN for them .
Many also leave cause they want to hear what tickles the ear and if a church wont preach that
WELL they leave , BAD NEWS to them .
The problem is a whole heap of churches within the entire realm of the catholic protestent realm
HAVE ABANDONED sound doctrine all together and preach only twisted junk
that pleases the ears of man in order to keep the money COMING ON IN on the money train .
We must bible up and now . The LORD is leading the few sheep
but another is leading the many and that other desires only death for them all . Hims the devil , that ol serpent
and many sure love his twisted messages .
 
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It would indeed depend on the reason .
IF one leaves a church due to the fact its leaders have compromised biblical truth
and refused correction , THEN AMEN for them .
Many also leave cause they want to hear what tickles the ear and if a church wont preach that
WELL they leave , BAD NEWS to them .
The problem is a whole heap of churches within the entire realm of the catholic protestent realm
HAVE ABANDONED sound doctrine all together and preach only twisted junk
that pleases the ears of man in order to keep the money COMING ON IN on the money train .
We must bible up and now . The LORD is leading the few sheep
but another is leading the many and that other desires only death for them all . Hims the devil , that ol serpent
and many sure love his twisted messages .
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