The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

[PinSeeker]

@Davidpt

Uh-oh, man. Your turn to get beat on now. Gird up your loins! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Grace and peace to you, David! <smile>

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Right, I'm well aware of that, but what I was saying was,

Right...but...I stopped reading there. Ridiculous. I'm not a dispensationalist...at all. Period. If you disagree, I couldn't care less. I know the truth of the matter.

Never insinuated you hadn't, or even might not have. Never. You kinda missed what I was saying.

You're not very clear sometimes. Such as how you come across at times that you think 2 Peter 3:10-12 refers to the lake of fire and then other times you think it refers to something else.

But that doesn't mean we "don't need teachers," as some would say in reference to 1 John 2... which I think you'll agree with... Teaching is a gift of the Spirit, after all, and why sould the Spirit gift some with teaching and knowledge ~ for the common good, as all the gifts of the Spirit are ~ if we didn't need it?

Yes, I do agree. I think we all need teachers up to a point, but I think we can get to a point where we can become teachers ourselves and we then teach what we have learned and continue to learn more directly from the Holy Spirit at that point.

These days, how many trustworthy Bible teachers are there? Very few, in my opinion. So, I think we need to primarily rely on the Holy Spirit for understanding.

Yes, and I did before. Why did you feel the need to say it again? <smile>

Probably for the same reason that you repeat yourself. Whatever that reason might be. <smile>

Right, in the sense that it will be sudden, not in the wooden, literalistic sense of the thing, be it water or fire. God's judgment will be sudden. And Jesus, in referring to the days of Noah in Matthew and Luke, says the same thing.

What kind of judgment was it in Noah's day? Physical. And both Jesus (Matt 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-30) and Peter (2 Peter 3:6-7) compared the destruction that will occur when Jesus returns directly to the destruction caused by the flood. So, the context of that is that the destruction that will occur when Jesus comes again will be physical. Yes, the judgment will follow that, but when He initially arrives, He will physically destroy His enemies and will burn up the surface of the earth and renew it.

Disagree. In verse 11 we see Him "seated" ~ which really means far more than just that He is sitting down ~ on this "great white throne" ~ which means far more than that He is on a white chair, as opposed to any other color. <smile> Yes, it can be on earth, and I say it is. Here again it seems maybe you're ~ inadvertently ~ getting a little dispensationalistic on me... <smile>

What is with this dispensationalist nonsense? How is what I'm saying dispensationalistic at all? It's not. Are you trying to get me to just not take you seriously at all or what? Stop that nonsense.

There's something you're missing here and I have no idea why. Look at what it says in the verse.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

It says the earth and heaven flee away from His face when the judgment occurs and there is found no place for them. With that in mind, how can you think it takes place on earth? That makes no sense whatsoever. It clearly will not take place either on earth or in heaven, according to this verse.

I'm referring to. Here you go... your quote above to "good ol' Davy"... "You are unhinged." Come on, man. That's just not necessary. There's a better way to... well, debate people than that. You're better than that, I know. But, you know, you do you, right?

I talk to Davy in a way that he can understand since he talks that way. I will not stop doing that. By the way, your holier than thou act doesn't fool me. Get over yourself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In response to another poster about what "Amills" believe/claim, you said "we." You didn't say "some of us believe/claim," or "most of us believe/claim," or anything like that. You said "we believe/claim." You made no qualification or distinction and by not doing so said in effect that that there is no qualification or distinction. There was no misperception on my part, it was what it was... you said what you said.

LOL. You continue to crack me up. You think everyone is stupid except for you. You think that I need to spell it out to everyone and give a disclaimer every time I refer to something Amils believe by first saying "What I'm about to say here may not be true for all Amils". People here who pay attention know that Amils don't all agree on everything. How about you stop acting like everyone is stupid and realize that if I say something generally about Amils that people will know that not all Amils necessarily agree with me?

Ohhhhh boy. <smile> Well that's a little bit nasty... A little bit. LOL!

Well, I'm glad you are not offended and found it to be funny. I guess I will continue to be a little bit nasty then since you seem to enjoy it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

But some of it you are. Any of it... any of God's creation being annihilated... is not the case.

But, it is the case. Do you take offense to that or something? Are you somehow not aware that much of God's creation was destroyed by the flood? Why wouldn't He do it again? You act like God would never do that, but He already did once.

Yeah disagree. Might be interesting to hear what "things," maybe... <smile> But yeah, disagree.

All things obviously. If you paid attention to what I've been saying, you would know that. How could anyting be excepted when I say the entire earth surface will be burned up? I'm surprised that I have to spell everything out to you, but it is what it is.

Well, now this is just a bit tongue-in-cheek... <smile> ...but I'll just say that I think God could ~ could ~ just, figuratively speaking, of course, snap His fingers... kind of like Thanos did in "Infinity War"... well, really like Iron Man did in "Endgame"... LOL! ... and do it in an instant...

Of course He could, but scripture does not teach that. Instead, it teaches that He will renew the heavens, elements and the earth by fire.

The fact is that it will happen. And again, in my opinion, there will be no literal fire or physical destruction by fire or any other means to do it.

Well, your opinion is wrong. Not much more I can say about this that I haven't already said. I don't know about you, but I'm getting tired of repeating myself. Maybe you enjoy repeating yourself. You even questioned once why I repeated myself as if you don't do that yourself. You are giving me so many laughs in this discussion. I guess that's why I haven't ended it yet.

Hey, let's go back to Genesis 1. How did God create the earth and everything in it? Well, He spoke it into existence, right? So, I'm not saying He will at the end of this age speak anything out of existence; I don't believe He will. But He will set all creation back to how it was then, perfect, and absolutely without sin, and, as another great hymn ~ This is My Father's World ~ puts it, "the battle (will be) done, and earth and heaven will be one" (again). How this purification will actually look... Like you say, it's really beyond our imagination.

If scripture taught that then that would be perfectly fine with me. But, it doesn't. We don't know exactly how He will do it, but He will use literal fire to renew the earth, according to Peter. Peter knew what he was talking about.

Right, so, we're on the same page on a number of things. Even the millennium. <smile> I think. <smile>

In some ways, sure. In terms of our understanding of the timing of the thousand years we are in agreement. We're obviously in disagreement on some other things.

 

[Davidpt]

I talk to Davy in a way that he can understand since he talks that way. I will not stop doing that.

In general I agree with that approach and the reasons behind it.

 

[PinSeeker]

I'm not a dispensationalist...at all.

Again, I never said you were. I know you're not. But you are, SI ~ you are ~ saying some dispensationalist-ic things.

You're not very clear sometimes.

Neither are you. That's true of us all. No need to beat anybody up about it. Real communication on a chat board can be hard.

Such as how you come across at times that you think 2 Peter 3:10-12 refers to the lake of fire and then other times you think it refers to something else.

You missed my point, even after I explained more simply. I never did that in the way you are insinuating. And I think you know that, and I think I know why you continue to do that. <smile>

These days, how many trustworthy Bible teachers are there?

Do you only mean people who are still alive? Because if so maybe you're limiting things unnecessarily.

Probably for the same reason that you repeat yourself. Whatever that reason might be. <smile>

LOL!

What kind of judgment was it in Noah's day? Physical. And both Jesus (Matt 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-30) and Peter (2 Peter 3:6-7) compared the destruction that will occur when Jesus returns directly to the destruction caused by the flood. So, the context of that is that the destruction that will occur when Jesus comes again will be physical.

Nope. Just sudden. In 2 Peter 3, when we get to verses 10-12, Peter has just said, "do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some count slowness... the day of the Lord will come like a thief.." And Jesus says the same thing, essentially, that "concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only... they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man... stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming... you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect..." (Matthew 24), and "They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all... Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot ~ they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all ~ so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed" (Luke 17). The context is suddenness, unexpectedness. The physical examples from events described in the Old Testament serve as a visual example of the suddenness, but that's the only (as if it is a mere thing) implication.

Yes, the judgment will follow that....

Yes...

but when He initially arrives, He will physically destroy His enemies and will burn up the surface of the earth and renew it....

Nope. I mean, I respect your thoughts on the matter, SI ~ truly I do ~ and you've said the same things several times now, so you're repeating yourself, too... <smile>...but the way you're understanding this is just far, far too woodenly literal.

What is with this dispensationalist nonsense? How is what I'm saying dispensationalistic at all?

The literal-ness of it. The way, way, way over-literalization of it.

It's not.

We can change the term if you like and stay away from any variation of the word dispensational... But it is what it is.

Are you trying to get me to just not take you seriously at all or what? Stop that nonsense.

Whatever. <smile> You do you.

There's something you're missing here and I have no idea why.

Well, that's what I'm saying of you, and... well... I have a pretty good idea why... <smile>

Look at what it says in the verse.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

It says the earth and heaven flee away from His face when the judgment occurs and there is found no place for them. With that in mind, how can you think it takes place on earth?

I'll just say that you... misunderstand... or, okay, my opinion is that you misunderstand... what it means, in the context of the vision John is relating to us in Revelation 20, for earth and heaven to flee away...

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Well, it does, but I understand why it doesn't to you. I don't mean to say you're "stupid," or "dumb," or lacking in intelligence in any way, but... yeah, I understand.

It clearly will not take place either on earth or in heaven, according to this verse.

Okay, well, I say it clearly will take place on earth... according to that verse, and even according to the rest of Scripture, in the sense that pretty much the whole Bible describes events on earth. And in Revelation 21, we finally see heaven coming down to earth. At the very least, Jesus says in Matthew 5:5 that the meek will inherit the earth.

I talk to Davy in a way that he can understand since he talks that way.

No, you beat the H-E-double toothpick out of him. Or try to, anyway.

I will not stop doing that.

I

By the way, your holier than thou act doesn't fool me. Get over yourself.

Hmmmm. <smile>

Grace and peace to you, Spiritual Israelite.

 

[Davidpt]

@Davidpt

Uh-oh, man. Your turn to get beat on now. Gird up your loins! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Grace and peace to you, David! <smile>

I'm used to getting beat up. But seriously, though it might not seem like it at times, I do respect @Spiritual Israelite. The way I look at it, if he can find fault in the way I reason things at times, I should equally be able to find fault in how he reasons things at times. Because, clearly, neither one of us has a perfect understanding of all Scriptures. Maybe he thinks otherwise, but I certainly don't. And he speaks about being confident because in his mind he is interpreting everything correctly, as if that actually means something. Take Pretribbers, for example. I bet they too are confident they are correct about the timing of the rapture. Does that confidence then make them automatically correct? See how that works?

 

[PinSeeker]

You think everyone is stupid except for you.

Nope.

You think that I need to spell it out to everyone and give a disclaimer every time I refer to something Amils believe by first saying "What I'm about to say here may not be true for all Amils".

Nope. Just don't make blanket statements and generalize what you say to all [any group of people].. It's pretty simple. But you know, yeah, you do you.

People here who pay attention know that Amils don't all agree on everything.

Nobody agrees on everything.

How about you stop acting like everyone is stupid...

I don't. That's a you thing.

and realize that if I say something generally about Amils that people will know that not all Amils necessarily agree with me?

Probably because that's the opposite of what you said.

Well, I'm glad you are not offended and found it to be funny. I guess I will continue to be a little bit nasty then since you seem to enjoy it.

You do you.

But, it is the case.

Nope.

Do you take offense to that or something?

Nope.

Are you somehow not aware that much of God's creation was destroyed by the flood?

I'm very aware of that, yes.

Why wouldn't He do it again?

Because he said He wouldn't. And because... as I said, the destroying is not in the literal, physical sense. I could repeat myself here... LOL!

You act like God would never do that, but He already did once.

He did.

All things obviously.

Well, obviously what you think, yes.

If you paid attention to what I've been saying, you would know that.

I have, even quoting you on many occasions. Yes, I do know that. <smile>

How could anyting be excepted when I say the entire earth surface will be burned up? I'm surprised that I have to spell everything out to you, but it is what it is.

Ohhhh, I gotcha, long before now.... <smile>

Of course He could, but scripture does not teach that. Instead, it teaches that He will renew the heavens, elements and the earth by fire.

Our God is a consuming fire. Which... I've said, many... many... times...

Well, your opinion is wrong.

Okay, well, I say your opinion is wrong. Cool?

Not much more I can say about this that I haven't already said. I don't know about you....

I mean, not even after I have said several times I was tired of repeating myself? Well... I'm not... surprised...

...I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

Maybe you enjoy repeating yourself.

Ah... sometimes, I guess...

You even questioned once why I repeated myself as if you don't do that yourself. You are giving me so many laughs in this discussion. I guess that's why I haven't ended it yet.

No, that's not it... <smile>

If scripture taught that then that would be perfectly fine with me. But, it doesn't.

In... your opinion.

We don't know exactly how He will do it, but He will use literal fire to renew the earth, according to Peter. Peter knew what he was talking about.

I mean, Peter definitely knew what he was talking about, buuuuuuut... <smile> I'm glad you're so sure of yourself, though.

In terms of our understanding of the timing of the thousand years we are in agreement.

Yes.

We're obviously in disagreement on some other things.

Yeah, maybe more than I thought... <smile>

Grace and peace to you, SI.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Again, I never said you were. I know you're not. But you are, SI ~ you are ~ saying some dispensationalist-ic things.

Such as? You keep saying that without even explaining how I am supposedly doing that?

LOL!


Nope. Just sudden. In 2 Peter 3, when we get to verses 10-12, Peter has just said, "do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some count slowness... the day of the Lord will come like a thief.." And Jesus says the same thing, essentially, that "concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only... they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man... stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming... you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect..." (Matthew 24), and "They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all... Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot ~ they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all ~ so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed" (Luke 17). The context is suddenness, unexpectedness. The physical examples from events described in the Old Testament serve as a visual example of the suddenness, but that's the only (as if it is a mere thing) implication.


Nope. I mean, I respect your thoughts on the matter, SI ~ truly I do ~ and you've said the same things several times now, so you're repeating yourself, too... <smile>...but the way you're understanding this is just far, far too woodenly literal.


The literal-ness of it. The way, way, way over-literalization of it.

This is truly hilarious for someone to say this to me when I'm used to Premils telling me I over-spiritualize scripture. Wow, I guess I just can't win. LOL. This is unbelievably hilarious stuff. You can't get entertainment quite like this anywhere else.

I'll just say that you... misunderstand... or, okay, my opinion is that you misunderstand... what it means, in the context of the vision John is relating to us in Revelation 20, for earth and heaven to flee away...

Half of your responses to me are that I'm misunderstanding you. What are we doing here? If we can't understand each other, what is the point of this? Oh yeah, I remember. Laughs and entertainment. And I'm okay with that. Carry on. <wink> <wink> <laugh> <goofy face>

Well, it does, but I understand why it doesn't to you. I don't mean to say you're "stupid," or "dumb," or lacking in intelligence in any way, but... yeah, I understand.

Why would I think you're saying that? You said in another post that I'm a very intelligent person. You'd never contradict yourself, right? Or...hmmm...anyway...

Okay, well, I say it clearly will take place on earth...

You say it will clearly take place on earth despite earth fleeing from His presence and not being found (Revelation 20:11)? Okay then.... <baffled look on face>

according to that verse, and even according to the rest of Scripture, in the sense that pretty much the whole Bible describes events on earth. And in Revelation 21, we finally see heaven coming down to earth. At the very least, Jesus says in Matthew 5:5 that the meek will inherit the earth.

The new (renewed) earth, sure.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Davidpt

Uh-oh, man. Your turn to get beat on now. Gird up your loins! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Grace and peace to you, David! <smile>

He's used to it. He knows when he speaks nonsense, I call it out. And, yet, he still talks to me, anyway. Just like you. So, the amount of offense you supposedly take to it must be greatly exaggerated or I'd be on both of your ignore lists by now. <wink>

 

[PinSeeker]

...though it might not seem like it at times, I do respect @Spiritual Israelite.

Me, too. But it ain't no cake walk. LOL!

Grace and peace to you, David.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm used to getting beat up. But seriously, though it might not seem like it at times, I do respect @Spiritual Israelite.

He doesn't understand that we've been talking to each other on forums like this for many years at this point. Do we annoy each other sometimes? Definitely. But, here were are still talking to each other, so, apparently, we don't annoy each other THAT much.

Because, clearly, neither one of us has a perfect understanding of all Scriptures. Maybe he thinks otherwise, but I certainly don't.

No, I do not believe that. I believe we continue learning more about scripture until the end of our lives. There are certain parts of scripture that I obviously think I have a strong grasp of, but there are other parts that I still have plenty to learn.

And he speaks about being confident because in his mind he is interpreting everything correctly, as if that actually means something.

What? What is wrong with being confident about what you believe and believing that your interpretation is correct? Should I instead doubt everything I believe? What in the world?

Take Pretribbers, for example. I bet they too are confident they are correct about the timing of the rapture. Does that confidence then make them automatically correct? See how that works?

Who said that having confidence makes you automatically correct? Not me. I talked about being confident to contrast your accusation that I was being arrogant. This is just yet another example of how you misunderstand what I say. And I know there's nothing I can do about it. We just don't communicate in the same way.

 

[PinSeeker]

Such as? You keep saying that without even explaining how I am supposedly doing that?

You mean beyond the multiples of times I have? <smile>

This is truly hilarious for someone to say this to me when I'm used to Premils telling me I over-spiritualize scripture.

I imagine so. Although 'hilarious' is... probably not really the right word to use there...

Half of your responses to me are that I'm misunderstanding you.

Well, not half... maybe more than that. <smile>

What are we doing here?

You tell me.

If we can't understand each other, what is the point of this?

Oh, we can... So maybe on your part it's... not really misunderstanding... At least not always... But that would mean... Uh-oh. <smile>

You said in another post that I'm a very intelligent person.

And you are.

You'd never contradict yourself, right?

You know, I probably do from time to time... Everybody does. None of us are perfect.

You say it will clearly take place on earth despite earth fleeing from His presence and not being found (Revelation 20:11)?

You're reading it like a Dick and Jane first grade primer, SI. I mean, again, you do you. But that just shouldn't be done.

Okay then.... <baffled look on face>

I understand.

The new (renewed) earth, sure.

<smile>

...the amount of offense you supposedly take to it...

I take no offense.

...or I'd be on both of your ignore lists by now.

I don't do ignore lists. They're stupid. <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Me, too. But it ain't no cake walk. LOL!

You got that right! LOL. And it shouldn't be a cake walk. This is a debate forum. Not everything posted here has to be a debate, but I think everyone understands that any opinion shared here can be debated and challenged. Debate is expected. So, you should expect your views to be challenged. And, by golly, you know I'm going to challenge every view you have. LOL!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You mean beyond the multiples of times I have? <smile>

You have? Okay, maybe I missed it. We have a lot of posts at this point and it's getting hard to keep up. So, either give me a post number where you explained why you are saying that or just explain it to me one more time.

I imagine so. Although 'hilarious' is... probably not really the right word to use there...

I don't understand you sometimes. Why do you think you can dictate how I see it? It IS hilarious to me regardless of whether it is to you or not. And that's all I'm saying. It's hilarious to me. I didn't say it's hilarious to you or anyone else. I have to spell everything out to you.

Well, not half... maybe more than that. <smile>

Why do you keep talking to me then? It makes no sense to want to continue the discussion if you think I'm misunderstanding more than half of what you say. We might as well be speaking different languages. Is that something you'd want to keep going?

You're reading it like a Dick and Jane first grade primer, SI. I mean, again, you do you. But that just shouldn't be done.

Here you go again criticizing me for supposedly being too literal. While doing nothing to show how you think it should be interpreted. That is hilarious TO ME (not necessarily to you or anyone else...okay?) when I'm used to getting criticized for not being literal enough.

 

[Davidpt]

He's used to it. He knows when he speaks nonsense, I call it out. And, yet, he still talks to me, anyway. Just like you. So, the amount of offense you supposedly take to it must be greatly exaggerated or I'd be on both of your ignore lists by now. <wink>

Explain the logic in that, that I know that I'm speaking nonsense. If I thought or knew that, why in the world would I be doing that to begin with? What would be my motive for doing that? You must think I need to be in an insane asylum or something. That sounds like something that an insane person would do, knowingly know that he or she is speaking nonsense before they post something then post it regardless. IOW, it's not only @WPM that has a low opinion of me, you apparently do as well.

BTW, I don't care which view is correct, be it Amil or Premil. Nothing any of us can do about it. Because whatever is correct, whatever that might be, none of us can ever change that fact simply because we refuse to believe what is correct, assuming we are not believing what is correct.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Explain the logic in that, that I know that I'm speaking nonsense.

That's not what I was saying. I'm saying that you know if I believe that you are speaking nonsense (obviously, you won't agree), then I call it out. That's what I meant. Obviously, I wouldn't say that you know you're speaking nonsense, so why think that's what I was saying? Just ask me for clarification if I ever say something that doesn't make sense to you instead of getting all offended by it without knowing what I meant.

If I thought or knew that, why in the world would I be doing that to begin with? What would be my motive for that? You must think I need to be in an insane asylum or something.

LOL. Do you know that you can avoid the time you take making comments like this if you would just find out what I intended to say by asking me first? You know I couldn't possibly be saying that you know you speak nonsense. So, just ask me what I was saying instead of thinking I would say something ridiculous like that.

That sounds like something that an insane person would do, knowingly know that he or she is speaking nonsense before they post something then post it regardless. IOW, it's not only @WPM that has a low opinion of me, you apparently do as well.

This seems hopeless. Unless I spell everything out to you, you don't understand what I'm saying. You got all bent out of shape like this just because you misunderstood what I was saying. What a waste. Should we just not talk anymore since it's almost as if we don't speak the same language?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope. Just don't make blanket statements and generalize what you say to all [any group of people].. It's pretty simple. But you know, yeah, you do you.

Don't try to tell me what to do. You know I'm not going to listen to you. Unlike you, I don't think that everyone here are a bunch of idiots who don't understand that not all Amils agree on everything.

Because he said He wouldn't. And because... as I said, the destroying is not in the literal, physical sense. I could repeat myself here... LOL!

No, He did not say that. He only said that He wouldn't destroy the earth with a flood again. Your lack of attention to detail causes you to misinterpret scripture. But, don't worry. You're far from being alone in that.

Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Genesis 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: 15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

Well, obviously what you think, yes.

It's so obvious that you had to ask me to explain it to you. LOL. The laughs never end here.

 

[PinSeeker]

You got that right! LOL. And it shouldn't be a cake walk. This is a debate forum. Not everything posted here has to be a debate, but I think everyone understands that any opinion shared here can be debated and challenged. Debate is expected. So, you should expect your views to be challenged. And, by golly, you know I'm going to challenge every view you have. LOL!

 

[PinSeeker]

So, either give me a post number where you explained why you are saying that or just explain it to me one more time.

Or...

I don't understand you sometimes.

Okay. <smile>

Why do you think you can dictate how I see it?

I have to spell everything out to you.

Why do you keep talking to me then?

That's a really good question.

It makes no sense to want to continue the discussion if you think I'm misunderstanding more than half of what you say. We might as well be speaking different languages. Is that something you'd want to keep going?

You do you.

Here you go again criticizing me...

...being too literal.

While doing nothing to show how you think it should be interpreted.

That is hilarious TO ME (not necessarily to you or anyone else...okay?)

Okay.

...I'm used to getting criticized for not being literal enough.

Okay. Non sequitur, but okay.

Grace and peace to you, SI.