Veganism

[GracePeace]

I dont understand what to do concerning (esp raw) veganism.

On one hand, the Bible warns that in the last days, men, following demons' doctrines, will forbid eating foods God made to be enjoyed, and characterizes those who eat only vegetables as weak in the faith.

On the other hand, the Bible says "love does no harm" (and it seems the only diet that doesn't harm is raw veganism--this can be discussed), and Jesus uses Genesis as the standard for marriage ("From the beginning, it was not so")... so, why can't we say "From the beginning it was not so" concerning diet?
This question is especially of interest in light of the Messianic Age prophecy, "the lion will eat straw as the ox" : this will not actually be "new", it will merely be a restoration of the animals to their Fod-ordained/"From the beginning" vegan diets.

Seeing that the Messiah restores the original standards of God in both marriage and in animals' diets, why would it be so far afield to assert that this restoration He accomplishes reaches to diet--ie, that we SHOULD (as a matter of righteousness) adopt a raw vegan diet?

Problem : Paul seemingly forbids this.
Also, Jesus fed bread and fish to His disciples... however, God leads people into truth little by little, so He may have permitted it then knowing things would change in the future.

Anyway, maybe someone else has been concerned about this, and has thought about it. I don't know what to make of these things.

 

[quietthinker]

Not eating that which has no nutritional value is good for your body and your brain.
Being cognisant of that which constitutes both major and minor matters and knowing which applies where, removes doubt and confusion.
If being vegan is favourable to you, for whatever reason, by all means go vegan. Others will make their choices for themselves.

Selfishness is the affliction which destroys everything.
Staying close to Jesus gives perspective.....labour for this.

 

[GracePeace]

If being vegan is favourable to you, for whatever reason, by all means go vegan. Others will make their choices for themselves.

I'm not sure if it is a response to the OP, but I'm asking why restoration of the original diet (if Marriage is restored to the original, and the animals, themselves, will be restored to their original diet--if Messiah is a restorer of things to their original states) is optional.

Staying close to Jesus gives perspective.....labour for this.

Agree

 

[quietthinker]

I'm not sure if it is a response to the OP, but I'm asking why restoration of the original diet (if Marriage is restored to the original, and the animals, themselves, will be restored to their original diet--if Messiah is a restorer of things to their original states) is optional.

Agree

Today we eat because if we don't we die. Our mortality means death is possible at any time and at any turn.

In the New Age, Jesus bestows on us immortality. It is the same state Jesus exists in where death is not an option, therefore eating will be done for enjoyment, not to sustain life.
If the original diet was herbs and fruits of the field and death no longer exists, it stand to reason we will not be eating animals.

Jesus also made this comment regarding marriage (seeing it is a part of your question) 'Jesus said to them, “Aren’t you mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven.' Mark 12:24-25

 

[Hobie]

I dont understand what to do concerning (esp raw) veganism.

On one hand, the Bible warns that in the last days, men, following demons' doctrines, will forbid eating foods God made to be enjoyed, and characterizes those who eat only vegetables as weak in the faith.

On the other hand, the Bible says "love does no harm" (and it seems the only diet that doesn't harm is raw veganism--this can be discussed), and Jesus uses Genesis as the standard for marriage ("From the beginning, it was not so")... so, why can't we say "From the beginning it was not so" concerning diet?
This question is especially of interest in light of the Messianic Age prophecy, "the lion will eat straw as the ox" : this will not actually be "new", it will merely be a restoration of the animals to their Fod-ordained/"From the beginning" vegan diets.

Seeing that the Messiah restores the original standards of God in both marriage and in animals' diets, why would it be so far afield to assert that this restoration He accomplishes reaches to diet--ie, that we SHOULD (as a matter of righteousness) adopt a raw vegan diet?

Problem : Paul seemingly forbids this.
Also, Jesus fed bread and fish to His disciples... however, God leads people into truth little by little, so He may have permitted it then knowing things would change in the future.

Anyway, maybe someone else has been concerned about this, and has thought about it. I don't know what to make of these things.

I think there is no harm in going back to grains, fruits, nuts and vegetables which was the diet chosen for us by the Creator.

 

[GracePeace]

I think there is no harm in going back to grains, fruits, nuts and vegetables which was the diet chosen for us by the Creator.

My question is why it isn't a universal law.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I think there is no harm in going back to grains, fruits, nuts and vegetables which was the diet chosen for us by the Creator.

Scripture saying it's a sin to eat meat please....

My question is why it isn't a universal law.

It's not.... Jesus ate fish so who is going to claim Jesus sinned because he ate something other than grains, fruits, nuts and vegetables which some claim is the diet chosen for us by God without scriptural proof.

 

[lforrest]

What did shepherds do back thousands of years ago? Didn't they live off the flock, using it for wool, for milk, for meat, and for sacrifice? Yet a good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

As stewarts of the earth we are masters of the fates of animals. To believe we don't have that authority is to surrender more power to Satan.

 

[GracePeace]

What did shepherds do back thousands of years ago? Didn't they live off the flock, using it for wool, for milk, for meat, and for sacrifice? Yet a good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

As stewarts of the earth we are masters of the fates of animals. To believe we don't have that authority is to surrender more power to Satan.

Because Jesus uses the original pattern in Genesis as the standard for marriage, restoring it, and because "the lion will eat straw like the ox, a restoration of the lions' original diet, I'm asking why we wouldn't also be restored to our original diet.

Something can be a holy command in one era, and then become a sin in another era--incest was a holy command ("Be fruitful and multiply" meant "commit incest"), but now it is an abomination; "keep your vow" was a holy command under Torah, now it is "of the evil one" according to Matthew 5

Therefore, eating meat may not have been a sin in the past, but that doesn't iron clad its status as such in any future.

 

[GracePeace]

I think there is no harm in going back to grains, fruits, nuts and vegetables which was the diet chosen for us by the Creator.

Also, I'm not sure grains and nuts were included.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

What did shepherds do back thousands of years ago? Didn't they live off the flock, using it for wool, for milk, for meat, and for sacrifice? Yet a good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

As stewarts of the earth we are masters of the fates of animals. To believe we don't have that authority is to surrender more power to Satan.

Yeah, the Lord does not condemn people for eating meat

 

[Hobie]

My question is why it isn't a universal law.

Why would you need a law to eat healthy.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Why would you need a law to eat healthy.

Where did the Lord say eating meat was not healthy?

If that's all one is doing like those doing the carnivore diet, then that would be excessive and not healthy

On the other hand, those not eating any meat at all that is excessive as well and not healthy.

In fact, vegans have to take supplements due to not eating meat in order to not be deficient in certain nourishment that comes from eating meat.

 

[GracePeace]

Why would you need a law to eat healthy.

Lol I'm asking why it isn't mandatory

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Lol I'm asking why it isn't mandatory

As in those that don't eat healthy... the Lord sends to hell?

 

[lforrest]

Because Jesus uses the original pattern in Genesis as the standard for marriage, restoring it, and because "the lion will eat straw like the ox, a restoration of the lions' original diet, I'm asking why we wouldn't also be restored to our original diet.

Something can be a holy command in one era, and then become a sin in another era--incest was a holy command ("Be fruitful and multiply" meant "commit incest"), but now it is an abomination; "keep your vow" was a holy command under Torah, now it is "of the evil one" according to Matthew 5

Therefore, eating meat may not have been a sin in the past, but that doesn't iron clad its status as such in any future.

We don't know exactly what God has in store for the future. In the meantime I'll eat meat.

It is possible that the initial human state was genetically pure, and unable to manifest negative traits due to incest.

Keeping your vow is not of the evil one. Taking vows unnecessarily is. God has a reason for everything even if we don't know it.

 

[GracePeace]

As in those that don't eat healthy... the Lord sends to hell? View attachment 59695

What does Paul say about the gays?

"Receiving in themselves the penalty due their error" : isn't the presence of the penalty proof of the error?

Also, if we know a choice leads to an undesirable outcome, but we make it anyway, because it has pleasure, doesn't that become the standard we live by--"I choose self destruction bc I choose pleasure"?

 

[GracePeace]

We don't know exactly what God has in store for the future.

But "future" is relative--now IS the future compared to Noah's day.

In the meantime I'll eat meat.

I do not care what anyone does, I'm asking a question about the Bible.

It is possible that the initial human state was genetically pure, and unable to manifest negative traits due to incest.

Irrelevant : the point is that God's Holy Commands can, at a later time, become abominable sins.

Keeping your vow is not of the evil one. Taking vows unnecessarily is.

"... but I say make no vow at all... anything beyond 'yes' or 'no' is OF THE EVIL ONE" (Mt 5), and James echoes the doctrine when he says, "Make no vow at all".

God has a reason for everything even if we don't know it.

When was this something I questioned?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

What does Paul say about the gays?

"Receiving in themselves the penalty due their error" : isn't the presence of the penalty proof of the error?

Also, if we know a choice leads to an undesirable outcome, but we make it anyway, because it has pleasure, doesn't that become the standard we live by--"I choose self destruction bc I choose pleasure"?

Your discourse.... has nothing to do with eating healthy

 

[GracePeace]

Thanks for the interaction so far--again, per the OP, I do not claim to have a firm answer.